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darkkermit
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6/21/2012 9:35:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Anybody have this, in which your parents or others have a political ideology different then your own and you hear them constantly bashing the other party, usually not really thought out . It's not really worth engaging in them in debate because they're in "ad homen" brain, which is when they're more about attacking the other side rather than engaging in rational dialogue.

It's especially if your a minority in the group or the others discussing are of higher authority than you.
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6/21/2012 9:43:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
My parents take my political opinions for babble I probably learned at school. So, I haven't even reached the playing field on which you can say we disagree.
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6/21/2012 9:58:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It varies by family member.

Mom and step-dad: left liberals (Democrats)
Dad: anarchist leaning libertarian
Siblings ranging from apathetic to communist
Grandparents (all four): partisan Repuiblicans

I can have a good political conversations with my Dad ans siblings as none of them are committed really to any party or political ideology. We're all able to change opinions. My mom and step-dad are a bit overly liberal and are pretty vocal supporters of the Democrats as is a lot of my extended family on their sides so it's not really worth it. My grandparents are absolutely terrible. Mention Obama around my grandpa and he goes on a rage. He's actually knowledgeable about some aspects of politics though so I can get around it sometimes.

I don't really have the same problem as Ike in talking to family about politics as they all realize I'm not repeating stuff I've heard in school. I actually usually just went rage on what I heard at school.
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6/21/2012 10:09:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 9:35:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Anybody have this, in which your parents or others have a political ideology different then your own and you hear them constantly bashing the other party, usually not really thought out . It's not really worth engaging in them in debate because they're in "ad homen" brain, which is when they're more about attacking the other side rather than engaging in rational dialogue.

It's especially if your a minority in the group or the others discussing are of higher authority than you.

It is likely that they are simply "preaching to the choir" much like any and nearly every political talk show. Because they are talking (at least think they are talking) to people that already agree with them, there is no need to go in-depth with evidence.

My parents are like that (they are both conservative). Just walking around the house, or watching a baseball game, or doing whatever, they often shoot out little quips ("If Obama ran baseball, players would be penalized for playing too well and making others feel bad"), but we can actually sit around a campfire and actually discuss stuff in-depth, especially economics and foreign affairs (namely China and our trade policy with them).
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6/21/2012 10:21:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 9:35:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Anybody have this, in which your parents or others have a political ideology different then your own and you hear them constantly bashing the other party, usually not really thought out . It's not really worth engaging in them in debate because they're in "ad homen" brain, which is when they're more about attacking the other side rather than engaging in rational dialogue.

It's especially if your a minority in the group or the others discussing are of higher authority than you.

I interact with some Democratic family members and some Republican family members, all with varying degrees of passion. When I want to debate someone who I know will get too irritated with me, I go Socratic on them, i.e., I ask them innocent question that I know will eventually stump them or wind up causing them to contradict themselves. Sometimes it just works so well.
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6/21/2012 10:23:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Grandparents -- Grandma is a liberal, grandpa is a former conservative now liberal.
Parents -- My dad is a libertarian, mom conservative.
Great Grandparents -- Communists.
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6/21/2012 10:26:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
We don't differ too much. I lean Libertarian while pretty much everyone is social-conservative.

I have gotten into debates with my dad a lot. The ones that come to mind are Eminent Domain and whether or not marriage should exist as a governmental construct.

My parents may hate Obama, but they are usually fair and logical when they argue with people of opposing viewpoints.
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6/21/2012 10:28:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
erm...okay, well let's see

mom--moderate (literally right down the center of the spectrum :P)
dad--conservative leaning moderate
grandparents (dad)--extreme conservatives
grandmother (mom)--democrat
socialpinko
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6/21/2012 10:30:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Even though my Dad has severed any ideological alliance with the major parties, we do get into disagreements regarding the Libertarian Party at times. He's more sympathetic to them while I think they're a bunch of pvssy idiots. I think that the LP is too moderate and must at some point sacrifice principle in order to attain major offices, thus making themselves no better then the others. My Dad disagrees.
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6/21/2012 11:15:31 PM
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Different ideologies but not anywhere near opposite.

My whole family is conservative but I know my Dad leans a little to libertarianism.

I'm libertarian which is not far off from conservative. I haven't told them I'm libertarian though. In real life I identify as a conservative Christian to most. But I'm a libertarian deist. I don't want to go through the inevitable drama that will issue when I tell them my belief change.
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6/22/2012 1:00:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 11:15:31 PM, phantom wrote:
Different ideologies but not anywhere near opposite.

My whole family is conservative but I know my Dad leans a little to libertarianism.

I'm libertarian which is not far off from conservative. I haven't told them I'm libertarian though. In real life I identify as a conservative Christian to most. But I'm a libertarian deist. I don't want to go through the inevitable drama that will issue when I tell them my belief change.

I can kinda relate. I was nervous when I began identifying with anarchism and most of my family was liberal but meh. Who cares, fvck them right? Jk.
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6/22/2012 1:04:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 11:15:31 PM, phantom wrote:
Different ideologies but not anywhere near opposite.

My whole family is conservative but I know my Dad leans a little to libertarianism.

I'm libertarian which is not far off from conservative. I haven't told them I'm libertarian though. In real life I identify as a conservative Christian to most. But I'm a libertarian deist. I don't want to go through the inevitable drama that will issue when I tell them my belief change.

My brother did the same thing. He is a libertarian deist right now too. We get along fine though. I love to watch him and my mom argue but there was no drama.
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6/22/2012 1:18:43 AM
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All my family members are strong conservative republicans except for my sister. I have almost got her completely anarchist.
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6/22/2012 2:21:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
My parents are completely apathetic.
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6/22/2012 7:07:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
My entire family is full of Communitarian Conservatives (so real conservatives; not "liberal" [in the philosophical sense] conservatives).

There are two exceptions.

1. My sister, who is a Fascist.

2. Me, an Anarchist Communist.
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6/22/2012 10:55:39 AM
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My sister is moderately liberal, my mother is dead center, and my father leans veryyyy slightly to the right. So not exactly opposites unfortunately. I'm by far the most extreme and I'm not that extreme
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6/22/2012 11:16:57 AM
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My family is Hispanic, so we all just vote Democrat and keep it moving.
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6/22/2012 2:07:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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My family is conservative but I am liberal.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I missed when you became liberal.
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6/22/2012 4:00:35 PM
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At 6/22/2012 11:16:57 AM, Maikuru wrote:
My family is Hispanic, so we all just vote Democrat and keep it moving.

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6/22/2012 4:04:04 PM
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At 6/22/2012 11:16:57 AM, Maikuru wrote:
My family is Hispanic, so we all just vote Democrat and keep it moving.

lol Same.

Except my grandfather who is Cuban and is a HARDCORE conservative.
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6/22/2012 6:33:43 PM
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At 6/21/2012 9:35:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Anybody have this, in which your parents or others have a political ideology different then your own and you hear them constantly bashing the other party, usually not really thought out . It's not really worth engaging in them in debate because they're in "ad homen" brain, which is when they're more about attacking the other side rather than engaging in rational dialogue.

It's especially if your a minority in the group or the others discussing are of higher authority than you.

Pretty much, except it's more religious beliefs than politics, but the same principal applies. Very annoying. I tend to just agree with them, and try to get out of the debate asap. Definitally understand the ad homen mentality you mentioned...
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7/1/2012 7:35:41 PM
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At 6/21/2012 9:35:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Anybody have this, in which your parents or others have a political ideology different then your own and you hear them constantly bashing the other party, usually not really thought out . It's not really worth engaging in them in debate because they're in "ad homen" brain, which is when they're more about attacking the other side rather than engaging in rational dialogue.

It's especially if your a minority in the group or the others discussing are of higher authority than you.

Yeah, I know what you mean. My immediate family and I are the only Democrats out of our ENTIRE extended family that I know of. Yeah, family reunions aren't that fun for us.

Not to mention I also live in the south, so everybody's a right winger here. :(
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7/1/2012 7:49:36 PM
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I would describe my family as Christian conservative with libertarian tendancies. Most of my brothers and sisters are libertarian or conservative. One of brothers is damn near close to being an anarchist though.
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7/1/2012 8:09:49 PM
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Dad: We're on the exact same page. He listens to Alex Jones and reads David Icke.
Mom: Doesn't care for politics. Doesn't favor any side.
Stepdad: Proud Republican, but also an Atheist.
Grandma: Very pragmatic but cynical view of politics. Not in favor of any ideology.

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7/1/2012 8:14:30 PM
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At 7/1/2012 8:09:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Dad: We're on the exact same page. He listens to Alex Jones and reads David Icke.
Mom: Doesn't care for politics. Doesn't favor any side.
Stepdad: Proud Republican, but also an Atheist.
Grandma: Very pragmatic but cynical view of politics. Not in favor of any ideology.

Dad: French
Mom: Mexican
Stepdad: White (Polish/German?)
Grandma: Mexican
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7/1/2012 11:08:48 PM
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Mom: Liberal, to a degree.
Dad: Moderate, but he usually votes for Democrats after I pressure him.
Grandparents: One one side I they are a liberal and a Right Mod, and on the other side is a Center-Right and a strong conservative (who brings up Michelle Obama and her "recent actions" nearly every time we see her.)

My Uncle who halfway across the world I believe is a Centrist, I'll ask him probably later this month when he comes home.
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