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ConservativePolitico
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7/16/2012 9:30:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I swear, sometimes I feel like I've learned more in my 7 months on DDO than I did in my 4 years of high school.

I learn a lot on this site.

Does anyone feel the same?
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7/17/2012 12:52:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think that DDO gives people the encouragement to learn things themselves and to be curious. It allows your independent learning to evolve into something meaningful when you debate and share ideas.

DDO itself doesn't teach you anything. If you're learning from here, then you're likely only absorbing the bias perceptions of the majority. Which I wouldn't call learning,...but indoctrination.
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7/17/2012 1:07:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/17/2012 12:52:40 PM, 000ike wrote:
I think that DDO gives people the encouragement to learn things themselves and to be curious. It allows your independent learning to evolve into something meaningful when you debate and share ideas.

DDO itself doesn't teach you anything. If you're learning from here, then you're likely only absorbing the bias perceptions of the majority. Which I wouldn't call learning,...but indoctrination.

DDO does actually teach you things. If you spend the time to read everything people say. I'm not absorbing opinions, I'm learning facts and theories and such.
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7/17/2012 1:27:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/17/2012 1:23:26 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:46:09 PM, Lasagna wrote:
I don't feel the same when I'm the one handing out the education -_-)

http://myfacewhen.com...

that kinda looks like Rob.
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7/17/2012 10:03:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/17/2012 1:27:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/17/2012 1:23:26 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:46:09 PM, Lasagna wrote:
I don't feel the same when I'm the one handing out the education -_-)

http://myfacewhen.com...

that kinda looks like Rob.

Oh come on I'm much more sexy than that XD

I'd say that there is a lot of good learning opportunities on here, but there's so much disagreement that sometimes the good parts of the dialogue get buried in rhetoric.
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7/17/2012 11:19:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
For example, I just learned the difference between the two different theories regarding the nature of time in the Philosophy forum. Learning all the time here.
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7/17/2012 11:28:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/16/2012 9:30:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I swear, sometimes I feel like I've learned more in my 7 months on DDO than I did in my 4 years of high school.

I learn a lot on this site.

Does anyone feel the same?

Probably not. It just seems like more because it was more recent. I will bet that you knew more when you were 18, than when you were 14.
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7/17/2012 11:32:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/17/2012 1:27:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/17/2012 1:23:26 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:46:09 PM, Lasagna wrote:
I don't feel the same when I'm the one handing out the education -_-)

http://myfacewhen.com...

that kinda looks like Rob.

Rob has a weird ponytail (no offense). That dude looks like TUF.
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7/18/2012 9:58:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Same.
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7/18/2012 12:59:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/16/2012 9:30:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I swear, sometimes I feel like I've learned more in my 7 months on DDO than I did in my 4 years of high school.

I learn a lot on this site.

Does anyone feel the same?

The Fool: if your views are the very same as when you came in teh you haven;t learned anything. What would beliefs would you say have changed?
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/18/2012 1:01:49 PM
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The Fool: Learning depend upon REFUTATION. not affirmation. That is the hardest lesson to teach someone. I would like to say clown bear knows that. But he claim that he and everybody in the universe doesn't know anything.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/18/2012 1:10:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 12:59:38 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:30:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I swear, sometimes I feel like I've learned more in my 7 months on DDO than I did in my 4 years of high school.

I learn a lot on this site.

Does anyone feel the same?

The Fool: if your views are the very same as when you came in teh you haven;t learned anything. What would beliefs would you say have changed?

False. Knowledge doesn't necessarily change your views. It could strengthen them in fact.
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7/18/2012 2:07:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 1:10:53 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:59:38 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:30:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I swear, sometimes I feel like I've learned more in my 7 months on DDO than I did in my 4 years of high school.

I learn a lot on this site.

Does anyone feel the same?

The Fool: if your views are the very same as when you came in teh you haven;t learned anything. What would beliefs would you say have changed?

False. Knowledge doesn't necessarily change your views. It could strengthen them in fact.

The Fool: Thats the problem it can't do that. Lets say others are false. It doesn't strengthen your case. do you know what I mean?

For example let say I believe in Santa. And I here all there false claims about all kinds of things Its doesn't make Santa more likly to be true.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/18/2012 2:09:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 2:07:02 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:10:53 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:59:38 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:30:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I swear, sometimes I feel like I've learned more in my 7 months on DDO than I did in my 4 years of high school.

I learn a lot on this site.

Does anyone feel the same?

The Fool: if your views are the very same as when you came in teh you haven;t learned anything. What would beliefs would you say have changed?

False. Knowledge doesn't necessarily change your views. It could strengthen them in fact.

The Fool: Thats the problem it can't do that. Lets say others are false. It doesn't strengthen your case. do you know what I mean?

For example lets say I believe in Santa. And I hear all kinds of other false claims from other people. That doesn't make Santa more true. Or support it better.
You have have to have something that can be falsified by refutation or science.

IF you have the same beliefs then what you know is the same.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/18/2012 2:11:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 2:07:02 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:10:53 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:59:38 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:30:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I swear, sometimes I feel like I've learned more in my 7 months on DDO than I did in my 4 years of high school.

I learn a lot on this site.

Does anyone feel the same?

The Fool: if your views are the very same as when you came in teh you haven;t learned anything. What would beliefs would you say have changed?

False. Knowledge doesn't necessarily change your views. It could strengthen them in fact.

The Fool: Thats the problem it can't do that. Lets say others are false. It doesn't strengthen your case. do you know what I mean?

For example let say I believe in Santa. And I here all there false claims about all kinds of things Its doesn't make Santa more likly to be true.

The Caveat: I came to this site subscribing to some form of agnosticism without knowing much in regards to arguments for or against the existence of a god. I am now aware of several contentions and refutations for both sides and hold my view even more strongly.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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7/18/2012 2:15:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Back to the OP.

I assume you're comparing subjects such as politics, philosophy, and sciences? I feel as if high school spent much too long of a time to accomplish much too little.

DDO is a hallway doors that lead to things I didn't even know I wanted to learn about.
High school was the creaky wooden elevator that luckily brought me to this hallway.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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7/18/2012 2:15:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 2:15:12 PM, caveat wrote:
Back to the OP.

I assume you're comparing subjects such as politics, philosophy, and sciences? I feel as if high school spent much too long of a time to accomplish much too little.

DDO is a hallway of doors that lead to things I didn't even know I wanted to learn about.
High school was the creaky wooden elevator that luckily brought me to this hallway.

Faxed.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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7/18/2012 3:40:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 1:01:49 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
The Fool: Learning depend upon REFUTATION. not affirmation. That is the hardest lesson to teach someone. I would like to say clown bear knows that. But he claim that he and everybody in the universe doesn't know anything.

Yeah, we have no certainty about anything. Nihilism, on that view, is the biggest and best refutation of all.
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7/18/2012 4:20:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 3:40:11 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:01:49 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
The Fool: Learning depend upon REFUTATION. not affirmation. That is the hardest lesson to teach someone. I would like to say clown bear knows that. But he claim that he and everybody in the universe doesn't know anything.

Yeah, we have no certainty about anything. Nihilism, on that view, is the biggest and best refutation of all.

The Fool: Sorry what is certainty?
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/18/2012 4:22:05 PM
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The Fool: ......
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/18/2012 4:29:52 PM
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At 7/18/2012 4:22:05 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
The Fool: ......

I don't get why you have to post things like this. There was literally a two-minute delay between your last post and this one.

Regarding your question, philosophical certainty implies complete immunity to A) error, and B) skepticism. Since nihilism represents an inherent defect in justificationalist attempts to get knowledge, it's also a condition which prevents you from ever having certainty.

This is distinguished from the feeling of certainty, which only entails being without doubt. This isn't identical to the philosophical concept of certainty, though, because it deals with the attitude of the subject, not the content or truth-status of the proposition. One can feel certain without having certainty. It's commonly known as "being a moron".
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7/18/2012 5:29:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 1:10:53 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:59:38 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:30:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I swear, sometimes I feel like I've learned more in my 7 months on DDO than I did in my 4 years of high school.

I learn a lot on this site.

Does anyone feel the same?

The Fool: if your views are the very same as when you came in teh you haven;t learned anything. What would beliefs would you say have changed?

False. Knowledge doesn't necessarily change your views. It could strengthen them in fact.

That's almost never the case (well, at least not for me or anyone I know.) When we are young, we are spoon-fed crap about politics from our parents. Then education ensues and our views almost always changes due to we are now knowledgeable of both sides of a certain issue.

Remember Jonathan Krohn? That kid who wrote Defining Conservatism and did a speech at the C-PAC when he was 13 (2009.) Well now, 4 years later, he is almost through high school and he claims he is now a liberal, surprisingly enough. He is pretty impressive, actually, namedropping German philosophers and such.
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7/18/2012 5:32:24 PM
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'Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.' - Nelson Mandela

It's his birthday today, by the way.
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7/18/2012 5:38:24 PM
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I didn't realize exactly how much I learned from DDO until I started having conversations outside of DDO about various philosophical, political and religious topics.
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7/18/2012 10:09:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/18/2012 2:07:02 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/18/2012 1:10:53 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/18/2012 12:59:38 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:30:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I swear, sometimes I feel like I've learned more in my 7 months on DDO than I did in my 4 years of high school.

I learn a lot on this site.

Does anyone feel the same?

The Fool: if your views are the very same as when you came in teh you haven;t learned anything. What would beliefs would you say have changed?

False. Knowledge doesn't necessarily change your views. It could strengthen them in fact.

The Fool: Thats the problem it can't do that. Lets say others are false. It doesn't strengthen your case. do you know what I mean?

For example let say I believe in Santa. And I here all there false claims about all kinds of things Its doesn't make Santa more likly to be true.

But you can learn things while defending your positions. You don't necessarily learn by your opinions being refuted, but by them being challenged and tested.
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7/19/2012 11:27:38 PM
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DDO itself doesn't teach you anything. If you're learning from here, then you're likely only absorbing the bias perceptions of the majority. Which I wouldn't call learning,...but indoctrination.
So like actual school, except the "indoctrinators" don't have any power over you.

I was referred to this site incidentally by my AP English Comp teacher-- he had an assignment where we had to read a debate, when the site was pretty new.
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