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What are you willing to die for?

Wallstreetatheist
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8/27/2012 11:12:20 PM
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"A man who hasn't found something he is willing to die for is not fit to live." -MLK

What are you willing to die for?
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8/27/2012 11:27:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
My mom and best friend come to mind, though the former would rather I not. I once started running toward some kid I thought was about to be hit by a car when my girlfriend grabbed me (the car stopped in time), so I guess "random kid" also makes the list.

I suppose I might die for the vague "greater good," as in sacrificing my life to save many others, but who knows.
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8/27/2012 11:30:09 PM
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At 8/27/2012 11:12:20 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
"A man who hasn't found something he is willing to die for is not fit to live." -MLK

What are you willing to die for?

I girlfriend Brittany. I would die for her and would have no second thoughts even as I gasp my final breath. :3 <3
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8/27/2012 11:38:48 PM
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What are you willing to die for?

My family, My country(even though I almost hate it now), My fellow man that are unable to defend themselves and most important my faith in Jesus.
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8/27/2012 11:40:34 PM
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La liberación de los pueblos de América Latina!
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8/27/2012 11:44:17 PM
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I remember an interesting story from the Columbine shootings. A gunman asked a girl if she believed in God and immediately shot her when she answered "Yes." I remember being impressed by her resolution. I also remember thinking that there aren't any beliefs I hold to so strongly that I wouldn't at least temporarily deny them if it meant potentially avoiding death.

Considering belief may be a necessary condition for salvation, I can understand a reluctance to lie there, though I've got to assume that God is familiar with duress.
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8/27/2012 11:44:31 PM
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At 8/27/2012 11:40:34 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
La liberación de los pueblos de América Latina!

For the liberation of the people of Latin America? That's cool, I would probably do that too even though I am not Latino. :)
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8/28/2012 4:19:35 PM
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If there was a cause or a person to die then, then it would be for some greater good; I won't let any personal enterprises hinder my performance in a scenario where I can directly help.

Of course, I'm not armed by any personal movement or some revolutionary sentiment to motivate me to die for it, nor do I have such passion for a cause or for community with others to do so. As a result, there's only a vague, if not admittedly conventional motive left to formulate and discover.
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8/28/2012 4:59:14 PM
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Probably just my family. No political or religious movement to me really seems worth dying for even if I feel strongly.

inb4 Objectivist rant about the moral culpability of altruism and sacrifice.
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8/28/2012 5:27:42 PM
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I'd die for anything really. I'm a bit of a nihilist.
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8/28/2012 7:14:16 PM
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At 8/27/2012 11:44:17 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I remember an interesting story from the Columbine shootings. A gunman asked a girl if she believed in God and immediately shot her when she answered "Yes." I remember being impressed by her resolution. I also remember thinking that there aren't any beliefs I hold to so strongly that I wouldn't at least temporarily deny them if it meant potentially avoiding death.

I was thinking about this the other day, if I had a gun towards me and was going to be shot if I were to claim I were an atheist, I don't think i'd lie. I think my atheism is one of the few things that i'm real proud of.
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8/28/2012 9:26:45 PM
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At 8/27/2012 11:12:20 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
"A man who hasn't found something he is willing to die for is not fit to live." -MLK

What are you willing to die for?

That depends on what my death would do/mean. I have never been in a life/death situation though.
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8/28/2012 10:32:56 PM
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At 8/28/2012 7:14:16 PM, jedipengiun wrote:
At 8/27/2012 11:44:17 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I remember an interesting story from the Columbine shootings. A gunman asked a girl if she believed in God and immediately shot her when she answered "Yes." I remember being impressed by her resolution. I also remember thinking that there aren't any beliefs I hold to so strongly that I wouldn't at least temporarily deny them if it meant potentially avoiding death.

I was thinking about this the other day, if I had a gun towards me and was going to be shot if I were to claim I were an atheist, I don't think i'd lie. I think my atheism is one of the few things that i'm real proud of.

What if they were Jihadist muslims and they asked you if you believed in Allah?
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8/28/2012 10:43:48 PM
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Family. I would like to say I would rather die than deny Christ, but realistically, I don't think anyone can actually say unless they were put in a similar situation.
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8/28/2012 10:44:42 PM
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To be frank, I don't get the fuss about saying who we would die for. I wanna know for who or what people would kill for. Everyone dies, only few kill.
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8/28/2012 10:47:00 PM
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At 8/28/2012 4:59:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
inb4 Objectivist rant about the moral culpability of altruism and sacrifice.

Fvck you. I was just going to do that.
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8/28/2012 10:47:37 PM
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At 8/28/2012 10:44:42 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
To be frank, I don't get the fuss about saying who we would die for. I wanna know for who or what people would kill for. Everyone dies, only few kill.

Killing is probably a lot easier if you don't believe in objective morality and an afterlife.
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8/28/2012 10:55:44 PM
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Nothing.

MLK was no more fit to determine fitness to live than James Earl Ray.

inb4 Objectivist rant about the moral culpability of altruism and sacrifice.

I'll spare you the rant.
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8/28/2012 10:56:37 PM
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At 8/28/2012 10:47:37 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/28/2012 10:44:42 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
To be frank, I don't get the fuss about saying who we would die for. I wanna know for who or what people would kill for. Everyone dies, only few kill.

Killing is probably a lot easier if you don't believe in objective morality and an afterlife.

I don't buy that, regardless of what people believe in.
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8/28/2012 11:10:18 PM
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At 8/28/2012 10:56:37 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 8/28/2012 10:47:37 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/28/2012 10:44:42 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
To be frank, I don't get the fuss about saying who we would die for. I wanna know for who or what people would kill for. Everyone dies, only few kill.

Killing is probably a lot easier if you don't believe in objective morality and an afterlife.

I don't buy that, regardless of what people believe in.

I do fully. Killing isn't as easy as Call of Duty makes it out to be, especially if you're killing an innocent person as I assume LK's scenario paints it to be. I know what I would die for, but I haven't a clue what I would kill for.
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8/29/2012 12:54:59 AM
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At 8/29/2012 12:52:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I cannot die.

Just don't test that hypothesis.
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8/29/2012 12:58:53 AM
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At 8/29/2012 12:54:59 AM, YYW wrote:
At 8/29/2012 12:52:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I cannot die.

Just don't test that hypothesis.

Already have.
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8/29/2012 1:33:18 AM
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At 8/28/2012 10:44:42 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
To be frank, I don't get the fuss about saying who we would die for. I wanna know for who or what people would kill for. Everyone dies, only few kill.

Sounds good. Make the thread.
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8/29/2012 1:45:13 AM
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Three things come to mind:

1. Family
2. Honor
3. Country

The final item is dependent on several variables; the other two are not.
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