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royalpaladin
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11/11/2012 4:14:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I have just been thinking about what I want to do after I finish my education, and I have realized that I want to leave the country. Where should I go? I would prefer a socialist nation that is not xenophobic.
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11/11/2012 4:20:22 PM
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Judging from what you tend to describe as your ideal in terms of gender, I'd say Sweden.
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11/11/2012 4:32:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 4:14:09 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I have just been thinking about what I want to do after I finish my education, and I have realized that I want to leave the country. Where should I go? I would prefer a socialist nation that is not xenophobic.

Pretty much every country these days is xenophobic in some form or another. Just sayin'.
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11/11/2012 8:50:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Isn't Sweden xenophobic though? I know the South is very Anti-Semitic. I would like to move there and be able to start a relationship with someone; I don't want to be isolated. I want to be integrated into society.
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11/11/2012 8:55:10 PM
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I'll just respond the conservative stereotype of "there are none".
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11/11/2012 8:56:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 8:50:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Isn't Sweden xenophobic though? I know the South is very Anti-Semitic. I would like to move there and be able to start a relationship with someone; I don't want to be isolated. I want to be integrated into society.

Have you tried a mental asylum? I hear that their society would integrate you just perfectly.
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11/11/2012 8:57:25 PM
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Seriously... if you are asking people on DDO about what to do with your life, then it's pretty clear that you're just doing this for attention with a desire to start a flame war about socialism.
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11/11/2012 8:57:59 PM
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China.
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11/11/2012 9:38:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 8:57:25 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Seriously... if you are asking people on DDO about what to do with your life, then it's pretty clear that you're just doing this for attention with a desire to start a flame war about socialism.

I am not going to respond to any flame war comments about socialism. I am just asking for some help.

Also, what is wrong with being an attention seeker?
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11/11/2012 10:07:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 4:14:09 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I have just been thinking about what I want to do after I finish my education, and I have realized that I want to leave the country. Where should I go? I would prefer a socialist nation that is not xenophobic.

Other people have said Sweden and I would agree, but be warned they are moving away from socialism as they have figured out it sucks. You should just stay put, America is well on it's way to being full blown socialist and ditching capitolism all together.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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11/11/2012 10:50:45 PM
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Didn't America make it so that once you transfer your citizenship you can't get it back, just so people like you wouldn't do this?

You'll gain perspective when you move... the ability to appreciate what matters and identify your assumptions.
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11/11/2012 11:13:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 10:50:45 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Didn't America make it so that once you transfer your citizenship you can't get it back, just so people like you wouldn't do this?

You'll gain perspective when you move... the ability to appreciate what matters and identify your assumptions.

Sweden allows dual citizenship. You don't have to renounce you American citizenship.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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11/11/2012 11:34:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 4:14:09 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I have just been thinking about what I want to do after I finish my education, and I have realized that I want to leave the country. Where should I go? I would prefer a socialist nation that is not xenophobic.

You honestly don't know how bad socialist countries are until you live there. In Israel, everything runs on Government-- homeschooling is unheard of, corruption is EVERYWHERE (my mother was asked for a bribe), the schools are uncaring, bureaucracy makes life impossible (my parents pulled me out of school because it would have taken a YEAR to transfer me to another one), the public systems are badly built, half the people I know received some sort of subsidy (and most didn't need it at all), the health system is completely incompetent, uncaring, and on strike half the time, and the worst part is that there is zero opportunity. If you meet a taxi-cab driver or a store clerk, chances are he or she won't be anything more. Opening a business is next to impossible. College degrees are essentially worthless (except in the more privatized areas).

I feel like I'm in a prison there and when I'm in America I can finally appreciate what freedom means. There were massive protests a year ago (totally peaceful, because Israel has this peculiar infestation of hippies) about a study that proved someone making the AVERAGE wage couldn't afford a basic level apartment- most people just relied on subsidies or government housing. There were also some boycotts over the extremely high price of cottage cheese. They honestly don't care that the company will take a loss to give it to them at a reasonable price; they again expect Government to make everything right. The price of cottage cheese did go down, but all of the other products that the company was selling went up in order to make ends meet. Fortunately Netanyahu is now opening up the foreign market to solve the problem (and the tariffs were responsible for the high prices in the first place!).

It's easy to be a communist when you're living with your parents or in a college dorm. I don't really like you, but I'll say this- don't move out of any place where you have economic or personal freedom. I used to be like you in a way. I hated America because I viewed all of those far-off, "compassionate" countries as utopias so I was eager to get out. After experiencing the real world I want nothing more than to stay here where I can depend on my own self-sufficiency and have a career rather than mooching off of other people, yet going nowhere.

And before you start quoting happiness studies, let me remind you that happiness is subjective (there are people today who miss Stalin's time). If someone doesn't like the fact that they have no opportunity or freedom, they are quick to be reminded how much worse off they would be in the heartless capitalist countries where the government isn't kind enough to give everyone their living. It's all about indoctrination. You'd think that the Israelis have learned their lesson by now, but the European ideas still cling to the country like a disease. I heard one guy there blaming America's massive debt on the 'free market.'
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11/11/2012 11:35:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 8:50:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Isn't Sweden xenophobic though? I know the South is very Anti-Semitic. I would like to move there and be able to start a relationship with someone; I don't want to be isolated. I want to be integrated into society.

You'd fit right in.
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11/11/2012 11:45:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Get on the rocket with Newt Gingrich to the moon!

It might not be socialist, but it will be ridding the world of two bad people!
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11/12/2012 6:23:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 8:56:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Have you tried a mental asylum? I hear that their society would integrate you just perfectly.
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royalpaladin
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11/12/2012 10:21:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 11:35:03 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 11/11/2012 8:50:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Isn't Sweden xenophobic though? I know the South is very Anti-Semitic. I would like to move there and be able to start a relationship with someone; I don't want to be isolated. I want to be integrated into society.

You'd fit right in.

I am not Anti-Semitic. I am anti-apartheid.
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11/12/2012 10:39:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Meh. Your actual socialist countries are:
China
Cuba
Lao
Vietnam

Sweden is a constitutional monarchy with a representative democratic parliament.

So, the question isn't really what are actual socialist countries, but what countries implement socialist ideals (whether or not they are actual socialist countries). The problem is, this just makes it completely a personal interpretation of what constitutes a social policy, what social policies to your liking, and what countries implement them.
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11/12/2012 10:46:19 AM
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North Korea.
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11/12/2012 10:57:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 10:50:45 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Didn't America make it so that once you transfer your citizenship you can't get it back, just so people like you wouldn't do this?

You'll gain perspective when you move... the ability to appreciate what matters and identify your assumptions.

Dual citizenship? That's what I had.
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11/12/2012 12:25:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/11/2012 4:14:09 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I have just been thinking about what I want to do after I finish my education, and I have realized that I want to leave the country. Where should I go? I would prefer a socialist nation that is not xenophobic.

You might have a problem getting a residency permit for any European country unless you have a degree in medicine, science or engineering and also an offer of a job in advance.

In reality, you may not have too much choice.
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11/12/2012 12:40:21 PM
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At 11/12/2012 10:21:46 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/11/2012 11:35:03 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 11/11/2012 8:50:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Isn't Sweden xenophobic though? I know the South is very Anti-Semitic. I would like to move there and be able to start a relationship with someone; I don't want to be isolated. I want to be integrated into society.

You'd fit right in.

I am not Anti-Semitic. I am anti-apartheid.

Really? The thread about Jews wanting to enslave Gentiles indicates otherwise...

I don't know what racist laws Israeli Arabs incur. They lead better lives there than almost anywhere in the Middle East, and most of them get welfare paychecks, including business owners. That's why they stay in Israel, even though they could immigrate. But if I had, say, two houses, and I gave one to a family who from time to time shot rockets at my house and taught their children the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, would I let them keep it and leave them alone?
"Well, that gives whole new meaning to my assassination. If I was going to die anyway, perhaps I should leave the Bolsheviks' descendants some Christmas cookies instead of breaking their dishes and vodka bottles in their sleep." -Tsar Nicholas II (YYW)
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11/12/2012 5:08:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/12/2012 12:40:21 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 11/12/2012 10:21:46 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/11/2012 11:35:03 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 11/11/2012 8:50:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Isn't Sweden xenophobic though? I know the South is very Anti-Semitic. I would like to move there and be able to start a relationship with someone; I don't want to be isolated. I want to be integrated into society.

You'd fit right in.

I am not Anti-Semitic. I am anti-apartheid.

Really? The thread about Jews wanting to enslave Gentiles indicates otherwise...

So it is racist for me to highlight racism in Israel towards the rest of us? Wow. You should be condemning the rabbi who called Caucasians "cattle" and said that they have to be the slaves of the Jews instead of me for bringing it to everybody's attention. He made the racist comment, and you want to cover up racism.
I don't know what racist laws Israeli Arabs incur. They lead better lives there than almost anywhere in the Middle East, and most of them get welfare paychecks, including business owners.
Yeah, getting displaced with bulldozers, tortured, killed, etc. is really a nice way of living.
That's why they stay in Israel, even though they could immigrate. But if I had, say, two houses, and I gave one to a family who from time to time shot rockets at my house and taught their children the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, would I let them keep it and leave them alone?

If I take over your house and say that it's mine, should I expect you to hate me?
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11/12/2012 5:21:03 PM
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Well, there's Denmark. In terms of policies, is the most socially democratic country in the world.
Then there's Japan, with the highest income equality in the world and also the highest level of secularization.
Then my personal favorite, Iceland, where they had a well censored revolution in 2011.
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11/12/2012 5:53:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/12/2012 5:08:36 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/12/2012 12:40:21 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 11/12/2012 10:21:46 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/11/2012 11:35:03 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 11/11/2012 8:50:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Isn't Sweden xenophobic though? I know the South is very Anti-Semitic. I would like to move there and be able to start a relationship with someone; I don't want to be isolated. I want to be integrated into society.

You'd fit right in.

I am not Anti-Semitic. I am anti-apartheid.

Really? The thread about Jews wanting to enslave Gentiles indicates otherwise...

So it is racist for me to highlight racism in Israel towards the rest of us? Wow. You should be condemning the rabbi who called Caucasians "cattle" and said that they have to be the slaves of the Jews instead of me for bringing it to everybody's attention. He made the racist comment, and you want to cover up racism.

Anti-Semites have misquoted the Talmud in order to paint Jews as racist, and you're basically doing the same thing (only you called it "Abrahamism," as if that makes you innocent).

For hundreds of years Arabs and Jews lived in peace. To them Jews were "peoples of the book," and to the Jews the Arabs were Noachidim (righteous Gentiles). I don't know about racism among Haredi groups, but most Israelis don't even take them seriously (there one incident where one called the police over having a women sit next to him on the bus. The police refused to remove her, and they later started wearing Holocaust stars to protest. Again, only certain religious fanatics do this).

I don't know what racist laws Israeli Arabs incur. They lead better lives there than almost anywhere in the Middle East, and most of them get welfare paychecks, including business owners.
Yeah, getting displaced with bulldozers, tortured, killed, etc. is really a nice way of living.

Israeli settlers' houses are also bulldozed if they are built without a permit. If an American or a Canadian decides to build a house in a forest in the US without a permit, it will bulldozed. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "tortured and killed"- are only Arabs allowed to be tortured and killed? I didn't see anything wrong happening in Gaza until the Hamas came to power (and lost all of the benefits given to it by Israel, such a police force or electricity). Israel even has affirmative action towards Arabs. Try looking up the definition of apartheid before applying it to countries you don't like.

That's why they stay in Israel, even though they could immigrate. But if I had, say, two houses, and I gave one to a family who from time to time shot rockets at my house and taught their children the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, would I let them keep it and leave them alone?

If I take over your house and say that it's mine, should I expect you to hate me?

The Arabs still live in their villages and cities and most of them have not been displaced. You seem to be under impression that the Jewish 'settlers' are living on the land, on which private Arabs used to live. They only live on the land that the Arab government claimed as its own that Israel captured in a defensive war. The settlements were built on ownerless land (except for the Bedouins, who simply had their livestock graze there). It was a typical statist claim, the same way that France claimed 'Louisiana' as belonging to the French king. I thought you were against the state?

"For twenty years (from 1914 to 1934) the Huleh Concession"
some 57,000 dunams of partly swamp-infested but potentially highly
fertile land in north-eastern Palestine"was in Arab hands. The Arab
concessionaires were to drain and develop the land so as to make
additional tracts available for cultivation, under very attractive terms
offered by the Government (first Turkish, then British). However, this
was never done, and in 1934 the concession was sold to a Jewish
concern, the Palestine Land Development Company, at a huge profit.
The Government added several onerous conditions concerning the
amount of land (from the drained and newly developed tracts) that had
to be handed over"without reimbursement for drainage and irrigation costs"
to Arab tenant-farmers in the area.

All told, hundreds of millions of dollars were paid by Jewish
buyers to Arab landowners. Official records show that in 1933
"854,796 was paid by Jewish individuals and organizations for
Arab land, mostly large estates; in 1934 the figure was "1,647,836
and in 1935, "1,699,488. Thus, in the course of only three years
"4,202,180 (more than 20 million dollars at the prevailing rate of
exchange) was paid out to Arab landowners (Palestine Royal
Commission Report, 1937).

To understand the magnitude of the prices paid for these lands,
we need only look at some comparative figures. In 1944, Jews paid
between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid
or semi-arid land; in the same year rich black soil in the state of
Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre (U.S. Department of
Agriculture).

Effects on Arab Population

In those instances where as a result of such transactions Arab
tenant-farmers were displaced (on one year's notice), compensation
in cash or other land was paid, as required by the 1922 Protection
of Cultivators Ordinance; the Jewish land-buying associations often
paid more than the law required (Pollack and Boehm, The Keren
Kayemeth Le-Israel). Of 688 such tenants between 1920 and
1930, 526 remained in agricultural occupations, some 400 of them
finding other land (Palestine Royal Commission Report, 1937,
Chapter 9, para. 61).

Land Ownership in 1948

The claim is often made that in 1948 a Jewish minority owning
only 5 per cent of the land of Palestine made itself master of the
Arab majority, which owned 95 per cent of the land.

In May 1948 the State of Israel was established in only part of the
area allotted by the original League of Nations Mandate. 8.6 per
cent of the land was owned by Jews and 3.3 per cent by Israeli
Arabs, while 16.9 per cent had been abandoned by Arab owners who
imprudently heeded the call from neighbouring countries to "get
out of the way" while the invading Arab armies made short shrift of
Israel [oops!..]. The rest of the land"over 70 per cent"had been vested in
the Mandatory Power, and accordingly reverted to the State of
Israel as its legal heir. (Government of Palestine, Survey of Palestine, 1946,
British Government Printer, p. 257.)

The greater part of this 70 per cent consisted of the Negev, some
3,144,250 acres all told, or close to 50 per cent of the 6,580,000
acres in all of Mandatory Palestine. Known as Crown or State
Lands, this was mostly uninhabited arid or semi-arid territory,
inherited originally by the Mandatory Government from Turkey.
In 1948 it passed to the Government of Israel.

These lands had not been owned by Arab farmers"neither under
the British Mandate nor under the preceding regime. Thus it is
obvious that the contention that 95 per cent of the land"whether
of Mandatory Palestine or of the State of Israel"had belonged to
Arabs has absolutely no foundation in fact."


Source: [http://wordfromjerusalem.com...]
"Well, that gives whole new meaning to my assassination. If I was going to die anyway, perhaps I should leave the Bolsheviks' descendants some Christmas cookies instead of breaking their dishes and vodka bottles in their sleep." -Tsar Nicholas II (YYW)