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GeoLaureate8
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2/20/2013 12:56:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I have been criticized by Conservatives for slamming Democrats and being a conspiracist.
I have been criticized by Liberals for favoring Conservatives.
I have been called a "Socialist" by Anarcho-Capitalists for supporting government-funded roads.

The truth is, I'm a Center Libertarian (even according to Political Compass test: http://www.debate.org...).

I am a fan of Leftist thinkers such as Noam Chomsky, Mikhail Bakunin, Cornel West, Sam Harris, Naomi Wolf, and sometimes even Bill Maher.

It may not seem like I'm Center because I criticize Dems so much, but it's because I find Democrats and Liberals to be so anti-Libertarian they are essentially authoritarianism in disguise. People think I oppose Dems for Conservative reasons. No, I oppose Dems for LIBERTARIAN reasons (and conspiratorial reasons).
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2/20/2013 1:03:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think you're pretty cool.
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GeoLaureate8
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2/20/2013 1:21:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
For the record, not playing victim. My rhetoric invites attacks and criticism, certainly.

Simply clarifying my views and eliminating a perceived stigma.
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AlwaysMoreThanYou
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2/20/2013 2:13:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I thought you were a left libertarian.

No idea why I thought that.
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2/20/2013 4:11:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/20/2013 12:56:05 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I have been criticized by Conservatives for slamming Democrats and being a conspiracist.
I have been criticized by Liberals for favoring Conservatives.
I have been called a "Socialist" by Anarcho-Capitalists for supporting government-funded roads.

The truth is, I'm a Center Libertarian (even according to Political Compass test: http://www.debate.org...).

I am a fan of Leftist thinkers such as Noam Chomsky, Mikhail Bakunin, Cornel West, Sam Harris, Naomi Wolf, and sometimes even Bill Maher.

It may not seem like I'm Center because I criticize Dems so much, but it's because I find Democrats and Liberals to be so anti-Libertarian they are essentially authoritarianism in disguise. People think I oppose Dems for Conservative reasons. No, I oppose Dems for LIBERTARIAN reasons (and conspiratorial reasons).

I would probably be a liberal if I bothered that much with politics, and I never said anything about you being a conservative. But you are definitly a conspiracist.
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Kinesis
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2/20/2013 4:43:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Turns out we're fairly similar according to this metric: http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Now, if only we agreed about the world governments being secretly run by reptilian shapeshifters.

Mind you, I've been reading a lot of Tom Sowell's stuff lately so this might be a temporary shift to the right. I thought I was more leftist than that.
GeoLaureate8
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2/20/2013 11:16:13 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/20/2013 4:43:18 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Turns out we're fairly similar according to this metric: http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Now, if only we agreed about the world governments being secretly run by reptilian shapeshifters.

That's not really a part of my world view. It's more of a variable and I don't focus on it.

Mind you, I've been reading a lot of Tom Sowell's stuff lately so this might be a temporary shift to the right. I thought I was more leftist than that.

I didn't think you'd be on the right side of the graph at all. Wow.

You're more of a Right-winger than me. Lol
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"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
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2/20/2013 11:54:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/20/2013 4:43:18 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Turns out we're fairly similar according to this metric: http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Now, if only we agreed about the world governments being secretly run by reptilian shapeshifters.

Mind you, I've been reading a lot of Tom Sowell's stuff lately so this might be a temporary shift to the right. I thought I was more leftist than that.

You really can't gauge political beliefs based on the chart.
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Kinesis
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2/20/2013 6:00:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/20/2013 11:54:23 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/20/2013 4:43:18 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Turns out we're fairly similar according to this metric: http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Now, if only we agreed about the world governments being secretly run by reptilian shapeshifters.

Mind you, I've been reading a lot of Tom Sowell's stuff lately so this might be a temporary shift to the right. I thought I was more leftist than that.

You really can't gauge political beliefs based on the chart.

Some of the questions seemed really awkwardly phrased to me: like "do you think those with more money should have a right to better healthcare?". Why add rights into that? And what do my views on astrology have to do with political affiliation? It's probably a decent general guide, but my views fluctuate pretty wildly so it won't last.
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2/20/2013 11:55:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/20/2013 12:56:05 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I have been criticized by Conservatives for slamming Democrats and being a conspiracist.
I have been criticized by Liberals for favoring Conservatives.
I have been called a "Socialist" by Anarcho-Capitalists for supporting government-funded roads.

The truth is, I'm a Center Libertarian (even according to Political Compass test: http://www.debate.org...).

I am a fan of Leftist thinkers such as Noam Chomsky, Mikhail Bakunin, Cornel West, Sam Harris, Naomi Wolf, and sometimes even Bill Maher.

It may not seem like I'm Center because I criticize Dems so much, but it's because I find Democrats and Liberals to be so anti-Libertarian they are essentially authoritarianism in disguise. People think I oppose Dems for Conservative reasons. No, I oppose Dems for LIBERTARIAN reasons (and conspiratorial reasons).

Now things make sense.
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2/21/2013 1:35:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
"Angles of Attack Against Me"
LOL. I thought this was a new personal conspiratorial theory (aka scitz).
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GeoLaureate8
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2/21/2013 2:00:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/20/2013 11:55:40 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 2/20/2013 12:56:05 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I am a fan of Leftist thinkers such as Noam Chomsky, Mikhail Bakunin, Cornel West, Sam Harris, Naomi Wolf, and sometimes even Bill Maher.

Now things make sense.

How does that shed light on anything. I have been openly in favor of Noam Chomsky for 6 years. What specifically does my stance on Chomsky reveal?

Btw, forgot to add Dennis Kucinich to the list of Leftist thinkers I'm a fan of.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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2/22/2013 9:07:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't care what side you're on. It's all the same to me,republicans and democrats. Bloods and Crips. I just got to show you where your conspiracies have logical holes in them.
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2/22/2013 10:32:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I've always thought that people who attack 'conspiracy theorists' in a dismissive way to be either completely naive or condescending idiots. To think not only that people with power will not, given the chance, conspire in ways which enhance that power, but that such a thing is unthinkable is just so ridiculous a stance that it blows my mind. It flies in the face of history, politics, and human psychology and is usually reinforced by nothing more than the chronic fear of being subjected to the same mockery which they inflict on others. In a way this deep-seated cultural attitude presents one of the biggest problems facing our world. The belief that people with power are just out to help you, and the refusal to even think of them as conspiring with one another is incredibly toxic to freedom because it blinds people to the abuse and collusion which surrounds them on a daily basis.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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2/22/2013 10:42:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 10:32:08 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I've always thought that people who attack 'conspiracy theorists' in a dismissive way to be either completely naive or condescending idiots. To think not only that people with power will not, given the chance, conspire in ways which enhance that power, but that such a thing is unthinkable is just so ridiculous a stance that it blows my mind. It flies in the face of history, politics, and human psychology and is usually reinforced by nothing more than the chronic fear of being subjected to the same mockery which they inflict on others. In a way this deep-seated cultural attitude presents one of the biggest problems facing our world. The belief that people with power are just out to help you, and the refusal to even think of them as conspiring with one another is incredibly toxic to freedom because it blinds people to the abuse and collusion which surrounds them on a daily basis.

While I'm sure conspiracies exist, the following are complete bogus:

1) Everything related to 9/11
2) Fake moon landing
3) JFK
4) Illuminati
5) Everything related to aliens
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2/22/2013 11:17:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 10:42:37 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 10:32:08 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I've always thought that people who attack 'conspiracy theorists' in a dismissive way to be either completely naive or condescending idiots. To think not only that people with power will not, given the chance, conspire in ways which enhance that power, but that such a thing is unthinkable is just so ridiculous a stance that it blows my mind. It flies in the face of history, politics, and human psychology and is usually reinforced by nothing more than the chronic fear of being subjected to the same mockery which they inflict on others. In a way this deep-seated cultural attitude presents one of the biggest problems facing our world. The belief that people with power are just out to help you, and the refusal to even think of them as conspiring with one another is incredibly toxic to freedom because it blinds people to the abuse and collusion which surrounds them on a daily basis.

While I'm sure conspiracies exist, the following are complete bogus:

1) Everything related to 9/11
2) Fake moon landing
3) JFK
4) Illuminati
5) Everything related to aliens

To clarify, I wasn't saying that every conspiracy exists. The people I am referring to are the ones who, after it is pointed out the Goldman Sachs was at the heart of the dot com bubble, the sub-prime mortgage crisis, and the European debt crisis, then proceed to laugh at how your so silly for believing in 'conspiracy theories' without addressing the arguments or evidence. Or who think that the idea that green energy subsidies are being handed out as political favors is so absurd that it can be dismissed offhand. Or who balk at the idea that many politicians don't actually want to help poor people despite professions to the contrary. Or who think that the lure of lucrative defense contracts couldn't possibly result in continuous pressure on the government to go to war.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -