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8/4/2013 11:52:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I want to start reading some really good intellectual essays, works, books, articles etc.

Things like Socrates, Thoreau, Rand, Shakespeare.

Literature. The Classics. Old tomes and new.

But I don't know where to start. Any suggestions?
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8/5/2013 1:25:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
For Rand, I think The Virtue of Selfishness and Philosophy: Who Needs It should be read before her fiction, if you're just interested in the philosophy. Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal isn't as important as those two, but it's still a good read. I haven't read my copy of the Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology yet, so I can't say anything about it.

The Objectivist Ethics:
http://www.aynrand.org...

Civil Disobedience:
http://www.gutenberg.org...

Apology:
http://classics.mit.edu...

On the Shorness of Life:
http://www.forumromanum.org...

On Truth and Lie in an Extra-Moral Sense:
http://oregonstate.edu...

Discourse on the Method:
http://www.gutenberg.org...

This is a great series of videos:
http://www.youtube.com...
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8/5/2013 1:27:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
if you have never read/listened to Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything," I highly suggest it. Fascinating read/listen. The audiobook series is one of my favorites.
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8/5/2013 7:50:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
John Lockes' An Essay Concerning Human Understanding.
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8/6/2013 12:16:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:27:08 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
if you have never read/listened to Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything," I highly suggest it. Fascinating read/listen. The audiobook series is one of my favorites.

Huh, I'll check it out.
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8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.
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8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.
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8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*
Nolite Timere
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8/6/2013 12:42:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*

Atlas Shrugged is a 1200 page brick of political theory masked by a solid story.
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8/6/2013 12:45:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:42:36 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*

Atlas Shrugged is a 1200 page brick of political theory masked by a solid story.

The Harry Potter series is roughly 4000 pages of pure fantasy fun and drama biotch!

But like I said, I'm basically going to wait for my reading and comprehension skills to go up a bit in addition to my ability to get through long books.
Nolite Timere
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8/6/2013 12:48:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:45:23 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:42:36 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*

Atlas Shrugged is a 1200 page brick of political theory masked by a solid story.

The Harry Potter series is roughly 4000 pages of pure fantasy fun and drama biotch!

But like I said, I'm basically going to wait for my reading and comprehension skills to go up a bit in addition to my ability to get through long books.

Probably a solid choice.

I'm about to delve into The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire written in the 1700s.
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8/6/2013 12:49:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:48:48 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:45:23 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:42:36 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*

Atlas Shrugged is a 1200 page brick of political theory masked by a solid story.

The Harry Potter series is roughly 4000 pages of pure fantasy fun and drama biotch!

But like I said, I'm basically going to wait for my reading and comprehension skills to go up a bit in addition to my ability to get through long books.

Probably a solid choice.

I'm about to delve into The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire written in the 1700s.

Exciting. Very. Very. Exciting.
Nolite Timere
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8/6/2013 12:51:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:49:39 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:48:48 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:45:23 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:42:36 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*

Atlas Shrugged is a 1200 page brick of political theory masked by a solid story.

The Harry Potter series is roughly 4000 pages of pure fantasy fun and drama biotch!

But like I said, I'm basically going to wait for my reading and comprehension skills to go up a bit in addition to my ability to get through long books.

Probably a solid choice.

I'm about to delve into The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire written in the 1700s.

Exciting. Very. Very. Exciting.

It's a staple of Roman historical literature!
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8/6/2013 12:52:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:51:04 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:49:39 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:48:48 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:45:23 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:42:36 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*

Atlas Shrugged is a 1200 page brick of political theory masked by a solid story.

The Harry Potter series is roughly 4000 pages of pure fantasy fun and drama biotch!

But like I said, I'm basically going to wait for my reading and comprehension skills to go up a bit in addition to my ability to get through long books.

Probably a solid choice.

I'm about to delve into The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire written in the 1700s.

Exciting. Very. Very. Exciting.

It's a staple of Roman historical literature!

Exciting. Very. Very. Exciting.
Nolite Timere
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8/6/2013 12:52:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:52:09 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:51:04 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:49:39 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:48:48 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:45:23 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:42:36 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*

Atlas Shrugged is a 1200 page brick of political theory masked by a solid story.

The Harry Potter series is roughly 4000 pages of pure fantasy fun and drama biotch!

But like I said, I'm basically going to wait for my reading and comprehension skills to go up a bit in addition to my ability to get through long books.

Probably a solid choice.

I'm about to delve into The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire written in the 1700s.

Exciting. Very. Very. Exciting.

It's a staple of Roman historical literature!

Exciting. Very. Very. Exciting.

yeah yeah lol
ConservativePolitico
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8/6/2013 12:58:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:27:08 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
if you have never read/listened to Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything," I highly suggest it. Fascinating read/listen. The audiobook series is one of my favorites.

Just got the audiobook.

Looking forward to it.
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8/6/2013 1:29:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why would you read old philosophers? Only scholars of history should bother. Get something accessible and modern, that assembles information and presents it in a way that facilitates understanding rather than forcing you to read entire volumes of sesquipedalian nonsense in order to pretend to comprehend the philosopher's point. I read the Apology, and guess what? It uses five sentences for every one sentence I could have used, and the biggest revelation I found was when Socrates deductively proved that *gasp* atheists couldn't possibly be in cahoots with demons because demons were the sons of gods, therefore refuting atheism itself. Save yourself the goddamn trouble.

There are works I would recommend (Nietzsche springs to mind), but the translations focus on delivering True Scripture rather than conveying the point that the philosopher was getting at. It's horrible.

Lol you read Ayn Rand? That's not a good place to start, really. Atlas Shrugged missed out totally on an editor.
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8/6/2013 5:07:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 1:29:44 AM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
Why would you read old philosophers? Only scholars of history should bother. Get something accessible and modern, that assembles information and presents it in a way that facilitates understanding rather than forcing you to read entire volumes of sesquipedalian nonsense in order to pretend to comprehend the philosopher's point. I read the Apology, and guess what? It uses five sentences for every one sentence I could have used, and the biggest revelation I found was when Socrates deductively proved that *gasp* atheists couldn't possibly be in cahoots with demons because demons were the sons of gods, therefore refuting atheism itself. Save yourself the goddamn trouble.

There are works I would recommend (Nietzsche springs to mind), but the translations focus on delivering True Scripture rather than conveying the point that the philosopher was getting at. It's horrible.

Lol you read Ayn Rand? That's not a good place to start, really. Atlas Shrugged missed out totally on an editor.

I find Rand to be enjoyable. I read her ages ago though (back in HS).
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8/6/2013 9:27:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Then get Anthem.
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Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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8/7/2013 6:04:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 12:42:36 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*

Atlas Shrugged is a 1200 page brick of political theory masked by a solid story.

Yes, and the philosophy is crap, don't bother with it.
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8/7/2013 11:27:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/7/2013 6:04:09 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:42:36 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:39:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:37:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:19 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/6/2013 12:22:02 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

So good!

Haven't actually read it myself but both my brother and my dad have and they could talk for hours about how great it is.

I definitely plan on reading it once my Comprehension and Reading abilities go up a bit.

Build up your stamina beforehand. It is a long long journey through that book. It's kind of harrowing.

*Eyes Harry Potter series on shelf*

Atlas Shrugged is a 1200 page brick of political theory masked by a solid story.

Yes, and the philosophy is crap, don't bother with it.

Not true, the philosophy is brilliant.
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8/7/2013 11:30:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
For it's time, Quest for Knowledge was a great game. I thought the sequel was a bit ham-fisted but, despite the delay in release, Quest For Knowledge III really took the genre to a whole new level.
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8/7/2013 12:03:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/7/2013 11:30:28 AM, drafterman wrote:
For it's time, Quest for Knowledge was a great game. I thought the sequel was a bit ham-fisted but, despite the delay in release, Quest For Knowledge III really took the genre to a whole new level.

This game? :D

http://www.kquest.com.au...