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10/22/2013 10:02:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
My university fvcked up my residency, so I would pay out-of-state tuition for this semester if I continued school. I had it changed with the requisite tax info, and it comes into effect next semester. I have 2 months to spare, so I decided to backpack through Europe: Paris to Moscow.

Destinations
1. Paris, France
2. Luxembourg City, Luxembourg
3. Brussels, Belgium
4. Amsterdam, The Netherlands
5. Cologne, Germany
6. Zurich, Switzerland
7. Liechtenstein
8. Milan, Italy
9. Rome, Italy
10. Venice, Italy
11. Ljubljana, Slovenia
12. Zagreb, Croatia
13. Budapest, Hungary
14. Bratislava, Slovakia
15. Vienna Austria
16. Prague, Czech Republic
17. Berlin, Germany
18. Warsaw, Poland
19. Minsk, Belarus
20. Vilnius, Lithuania
21. Riga, Latvia
22. Tallinn, Estonia
23. Helsinki, Finland
24. Saint Petersburg, Russia
25. Moscow, Russia
http://goo.gl...

Nov 1st...[Pittsburgh -> NYC -> Paris -> Moscow -> NYC -> Pittsburgh]...January 2nd

Cost of Flights: $850
Cost of travel supplies/backpack: $350
Cost of Couchsurfing: $0
Cost of Hitchhiking: $0 (I may cheat this and take a train from Berlin to Warsaw http://www.bahn.com...).
Cost of food, events, misc: $20/day
Total (including emergency money): $2,500
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1. If any of you fellow DDOers live in these destinations, I'd love to stop by and say hello!
2. Any questions?
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10/22/2013 11:43:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/22/2013 10:02:38 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Cost of Flights: $850

Wut.
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10/23/2013 9:25:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/22/2013 10:02:38 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
My university fvcked up my residency, so I would pay out-of-state tuition for this semester if I continued school. I had it changed with the requisite tax info, and it comes into effect next semester. I have 2 months to spare, so I decided to backpack through Europe: Paris to Moscow.

Destinations
1. Paris, France
2. Luxembourg City, Luxembourg
3. Brussels, Belgium
4. Amsterdam, The Netherlands
5. Cologne, Germany
6. Zurich, Switzerland
7. Liechtenstein
8. Milan, Italy
9. Rome, Italy
10. Venice, Italy
11. Ljubljana, Slovenia
12. Zagreb, Croatia
13. Budapest, Hungary
14. Bratislava, Slovakia
15. Vienna Austria
16. Prague, Czech Republic
17. Berlin, Germany
18. Warsaw, Poland
19. Minsk, Belarus
20. Vilnius, Lithuania
21. Riga, Latvia
22. Tallinn, Estonia
23. Helsinki, Finland
24. Saint Petersburg, Russia
25. Moscow, Russia
http://goo.gl...

Nov 1st...[Pittsburgh -> NYC -> Paris -> Moscow -> NYC -> Pittsburgh]...January 2nd

Cost of Flights: $850
Cost of travel supplies/backpack: $350
Cost of Couchsurfing: $0
Cost of Hitchhiking: $0 (I may cheat this and take a train from Berlin to Warsaw http://www.bahn.com...).
Cost of food, events, misc: $20/day
Total (including emergency money): $2,500
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. If any of you fellow DDOers live in these destinations, I'd love to stop by and say hello!
2. Any questions?

You need to go to Salzburg. I'd personally just stay in the German speaking countries and France.

I can also say with confidence that in Switzerland, you're going to need something more like 100.00 USD/day at a minimum. Same with Lichtenstein.

For your own safety, I'd strongly recommend staying out of Belarus. Romania would be fine (hiking through Walachia is delightful), and would be a safer option.
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10/23/2013 9:30:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
In any case, just stay in the Schengen area. There are so many wonderful parts of Europe, and I'd be lying if I told you that Minsk wasn't a beautiful city (especially the subways)... but it's dangerous to be there as an American.
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10/23/2013 9:55:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/22/2013 11:43:22 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 10/22/2013 10:02:38 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Cost of Flights: $850

Wut.

Even more "wut" is my flight from NYC to Paris: $339.
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10/23/2013 10:12:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 9:25:39 AM, YYW wrote:
You need to go to Salzburg. I'd personally just stay in the German speaking countries and France.

I can also say with confidence that in Switzerland, you're going to need something more like 100.00 USD/day at a minimum. Same with Lichtenstein.

Liechtenstein seems kind of boring from what I hear as well; I'm considering crossing it off the list.

For your own safety, I'd strongly recommend staying out of Belarus.

I was really interested in seeing what a post-Soviet hell hole looked like. I plan on covering Warsaw to Moscow in around a week. http://www.heritage.org...

Romania would be fine (hiking through Walachia is delightful), and would be a safer option.

I'm now considering staying more in the south of Europe due to winter, and several of my Internet friends are in places like Belgrade and Sofia.
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10/23/2013 10:16:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 9:30:47 AM, YYW wrote:
In any case, just stay in the Schengen area.

Considering it for the majority of the time, just because of the ease of travel, but I am definitely going to Moscow.

There are so many wonderful parts of Europe, and I'd be lying if I told you that Minsk wasn't a beautiful city (especially the subways)... but it's dangerous to be there as an American.

As Shakespeare once wrote, "YOLO."

What are your three MUST SEE places?
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10/23/2013 11:23:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 10:16:02 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 10/23/2013 9:30:47 AM, YYW wrote:
In any case, just stay in the Schengen area.

Considering it for the majority of the time, just because of the ease of travel, but I am definitely going to Moscow.

Ok, fair enough. I would personally suggest St. Petersburg before Moscow, though.

There are so many wonderful parts of Europe, and I'd be lying if I told you that Minsk wasn't a beautiful city (especially the subways)... but it's dangerous to be there as an American.

As Shakespeare once wrote, "YOLO."

Good luck getting a visa... but seriously, be careful.

What are your three MUST SEE places?

Salzburg, Neuschwanstein Castle and Munich... if I had to pick three. If you like shopping, be sure to check out the Ka De We in Berlin. If you like culture, go to Munich. But above all, go to Salzburg.
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10/23/2013 11:25:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 10:12:14 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 10/23/2013 9:25:39 AM, YYW wrote:
You need to go to Salzburg. I'd personally just stay in the German speaking countries and France.

I can also say with confidence that in Switzerland, you're going to need something more like 100.00 USD/day at a minimum. Same with Lichtenstein.

Liechtenstein seems kind of boring from what I hear as well; I'm considering crossing it off the list.

Great hiking; but I'd suggest Austria over Liechtenstein.

For your own safety, I'd strongly recommend staying out of Belarus.

I was really interested in seeing what a post-Soviet hell hole looked like. I plan on covering Warsaw to Moscow in around a week. http://www.heritage.org...

Then stay in the Schengen Area other than Moscow or St. Petersburg. Ukraine is nice as well.

Romania would be fine (hiking through Walachia is delightful), and would be a safer option.

I'm now considering staying more in the south of Europe due to winter, and several of my Internet friends are in places like Belgrade and Sofia.

I just know you'll post pictures!
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10/23/2013 12:46:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 12:38:55 PM, Mirza wrote:
Uh... Speaking of monotonic places...

Hey, you live in Europe right? Where do you suggest I go? I'm open to anywhere between Paris and Moscow.
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10/23/2013 1:04:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is incredibly useful: http://wikitravel.org...

I recommend viewing each country first, then the region you want to visit, then the city itself.
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10/23/2013 1:05:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 12:46:41 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 10/23/2013 12:38:55 PM, Mirza wrote:
Uh... Speaking of monotonic places...

Hey, you live in Europe right? Where do you suggest I go? I'm open to anywhere between Paris and Moscow.

Fvcking, Austria bro.
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10/23/2013 1:16:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 12:46:41 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 10/23/2013 12:38:55 PM, Mirza wrote:
Uh... Speaking of monotonic places...

Hey, you live in Europe right? Where do you suggest I go? I'm open to anywhere between Paris and Moscow.
Just teasing before. Nonetheless - Europe is diverse and almost all of it is unique. If you want to visit your friends in the Balkan region, you should go from Croatia to Sarajevo, then hit Belgrade. Other than that your route is fine.

In addition -- temperatures in the Balkans are still fine - good to go there before you head further to Moscow. People are also far friendlier than in most of the other countries you'll encounter beyond there - Macedonia and Bosnia are top 10 friendliest in the world according to a recent study. Russia is bottom.

Sad that you leave Denmark and Norway out, but I can see them not fitting your route.
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10/23/2013 7:38:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I really want to visit Ukraine, Russia, and Germany. Also Australia, but that's irrelevant since you're hiking on a completely different continent lol. There's so much history in Germany and the former USSR countries, though. I'm kinda jealous that you get to hike through all of these places though
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10/23/2013 11:55:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 1:16:47 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/23/2013 12:46:41 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 10/23/2013 12:38:55 PM, Mirza wrote:
Uh... Speaking of monotonic places...

Hey, you live in Europe right? Where do you suggest I go? I'm open to anywhere between Paris and Moscow.
Just teasing before. Nonetheless - Europe is diverse and almost all of it is unique. If you want to visit your friends in the Balkan region, you should go from Croatia to Sarajevo, then hit Belgrade. Other than that your route is fine.

A fellow traveler dude has told me a similar thing. "Zagreb sucks. Go to split and Dubrovnik.
In croatia.
Don't miss BELGRADE. IT'S THE BOMB.
Try to hit Bulgaria and Romania. The woman are great there."

In addition -- temperatures in the Balkans are still fine - good to go there before you head further to Moscow. People are also far friendlier than in most of the other countries you'll encounter beyond there - Macedonia and Bosnia are top 10 friendliest in the world according to a recent study. Russia is bottom.

Good advice, bro. Makes sense with me traveling in the winter as well.

Sad that you leave Denmark and Norway out, but I can see them not fitting your route.

I'll definitely hit them in a year or so. I want to go to Asia as well.
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10/24/2013 2:16:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 11:55:22 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
A fellow traveler dude has told me a similar thing. "Zagreb sucks. Go to split and Dubrovnik.
In croatia.
Don't miss BELGRADE. IT'S THE BOMB.
Try to hit Bulgaria and Romania. The woman are great there."
Zagreb isn't as interesting as the more southern cities. I've spent some days on different occasions in southern Croatia, and the scenery and diversity generally beat the northern part.

National Geographic picked Bosnia as one of the best adventure destinations in 2012. "The country was poised to become Eastern Europe"s year-round center for adventure. Since then, skiers, hikers, and whitewater enthusiasts have indeed made their mark"and now mountain bikers are starting to do the same. The ancient highland caravan routes that linked mountain towns for centuries now make for a heavenly singletrack system for the knobby-tire set." https://www.nationalgeographic.com...

In that case, going from Ljubljana to Split to Sarajevo to Belgrade would be optimal.
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10/24/2013 1:37:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/24/2013 1:15:40 PM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 10/24/2013 1:11:05 PM, birdlandmemories wrote:
I'd say it's more annoying than funny. I lost my poll votes, forum posts, and my opponent's debate argument got deleted in a debate I was doing.

Wow, everything I post keeps going to the wrong thread.

For me it's in the right thread (I think), the Debate.org forum topic "whats going on". But my posts don't seem to be there,I wounder where they are going. Where did your posts go to on your computer?
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10/24/2013 6:36:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/23/2013 11:55:22 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 10/23/2013 1:16:47 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/23/2013 12:46:41 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 10/23/2013 12:38:55 PM, Mirza wrote:
Uh... Speaking of monotonic places...

Hey, you live in Europe right? Where do you suggest I go? I'm open to anywhere between Paris and Moscow.
Just teasing before. Nonetheless - Europe is diverse and almost all of it is unique. If you want to visit your friends in the Balkan region, you should go from Croatia to Sarajevo, then hit Belgrade. Other than that your route is fine.

A fellow traveler dude has told me a similar thing. "Zagreb sucks. Go to split and Dubrovnik.
In croatia.
Don't miss BELGRADE. IT'S THE BOMB.
Try to hit Bulgaria and Romania. The woman are great there."

In addition -- temperatures in the Balkans are still fine - good to go there before you head further to Moscow. People are also far friendlier than in most of the other countries you'll encounter beyond there - Macedonia and Bosnia are top 10 friendliest in the world according to a recent study. Russia is bottom.

Good advice, bro. Makes sense with me traveling in the winter as well.

Sad that you leave Denmark and Norway out, but I can see them not fitting your route.

I'll definitely hit them in a year or so. I want to go to Asia as well.

Who the hell is paying for the plane rides?
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10/24/2013 11:15:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/24/2013 6:36:24 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
Who the hell is paying for the plane rides?

You can fly to Australia and back for free, just by signing up for the right credit cards like Chase Preferred Sapphire and American Airlines.

Transportation is even cheaper if you go unconventional ways like hopping aboard cargo ships/sailboats and the like. Asia is MUCH cheaper for food and booze than Europe, so my budget for Thailand would be around $10-15 a day.
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10/25/2013 1:33:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/24/2013 11:15:06 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 10/24/2013 6:36:24 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
Who the hell is paying for the plane rides?

You can fly to Australia and back for free, just by signing up for the right credit cards like Chase Preferred Sapphire and American Airlines.

Transportation is even cheaper if you go unconventional ways like hopping aboard cargo ships/sailboats and the like. Asia is MUCH cheaper for food and booze than Europe, so my budget for Thailand would be around $10-15 a day.

You happen to be an American, dude. I wouldn't go for it.
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10/26/2013 7:38:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If any of you are interested in doing the same:
http://www.nomadicmatt.com...
https://www.couchsurfing.org...
http://www.nerdwallet.com... [Charles Schwab offers a high yield checking account with worldwide ATM fees reimbursment]
http://hitchwiki.org...
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10/26/2013 8:59:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The white person stereotype is strong in this post ;)
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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10/28/2013 5:07:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/26/2013 8:59:54 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
The white person stereotype is strong in this post ;)

Now, to plant my flag in their lands!

Also:
Graham"s Rules of Travel"

Walk around like you own the place;
Walk around like you own the place;
Travel LIGHT " Don"t take anything you can"t afford to lose;
No matter what, keep a cheery disposition " don"t let them see you bleed;
Don"t drink the water or eat the salads;
No drugs. Ever. Have you seen Bangkok Hilton?;
Never take a towel with you travelling, unless you plan to camp. It"s a heavy wet smelly mess you can do without;
Trust no-one, pretend to trust everyone;
You"ve been EVERYWHERE before and NO, it"s not your first day here;
Whatever price they ask, half it;
Always have a Plan B, and C and D;
McDonalds will always have clean western toilets;
NEVER use travellers cheques;
Have at least two cash cards, preferably five;
Always keep $100 stuffed in your shoe;
Deodorant = shower in a can;
Never let your bag out of your sight(!);
What happens on the road, stays on the road;
Biscuits;
If someone asks you if you"re a god, you say YES.
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