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Beverlee
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11/18/2013 10:32:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm a liberal. As far as why that is, I think it's just a compassion thing. I generally like everyone, so I don't want to see people in pain. What do I think of non-libs? Like I said, I tend to like people, so it's like whatever. If I don't like the same movies or music someone else likes, I can still share other things that we have in common with each other, can't I?

Social views are pretty much like that for me. If they don't care, I don't care. I'm not worried if someone is a liberal or not, I am more worried if someone is an @sshole or not.
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11/18/2013 11:00:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I've been called a liberal, but I'd rather not restrict myself with such titles. Because political and moral positions are more or less arbitrary I figure that I might as well advocate what I prefer - that is more personal freedom, greater economic equality and more accountability for law enforcement, lawmakers, and businesses. Why do I prefer these things? I don't know - perhaps that's where geographical socialization comes into play.
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11/18/2013 11:13:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/18/2013 9:32:34 PM, YYW wrote:
Who are you?

technically im a bench

Why are you Liberal?

It seems to fit me the best

What do you think of non-Liberals?

Depends on which ones youre referring to
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11/19/2013 11:25:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/18/2013 10:18:59 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I think they're dumb/immoral.

"It's easy to be conspicuously compassionate when others are forced to pay the cost."
-- Murray Rothbard
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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11/19/2013 11:27:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:25:03 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/18/2013 10:18:59 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I think they're dumb/immoral.

"It's easy to be conspicuously compassionate when others are forced to pay the cost."
-- Murray Rothbard

That quote is nothing short of laughable in being used in argument against me.
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11/19/2013 11:38:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:27:41 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
That quote is nothing short of laughable in being used in argument against me.

It is an indictment against all Liberals and you have just admitted you are a Liberal who thinks non-Liberals are immoral for not believing in government solutions like you.

Liberals like to proclaim to be the compassionate ones helping the poor and vulnerable yet they do it through theft of others to do their bidding for them and then expect to be patted on the back for it.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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11/19/2013 11:43:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:38:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:27:41 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
That quote is nothing short of laughable in being used in argument against me.

It is an indictment against all Liberals and you have just admitted you are a Liberal who thinks non-Liberals are immoral for not believing in government solutions like you.

Liberals like to proclaim to be the compassionate ones helping the poor and vulnerable yet they do it through theft of others to do their bidding for them and then expect to be patted on the back for it.

No it isn't. It's an indictment against what Rothbard perceives Liberals to be. I don't fit the bill. That quote only serves to empower me, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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11/19/2013 11:45:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/18/2013 10:18:59 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I think they're dumb/immoral.

What ever happened to 'tolerance'? Oh wait, that only applies to demographics that vote Democrat.
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11/19/2013 11:47:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:45:31 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/18/2013 10:18:59 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I think they're dumb/immoral.

What ever happened to 'tolerance'? Oh wait, that only applies to demographics that vote Democrat.

I'm not American and what the f*ck is tolerance? Would you "tolerate" being raped?
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11/19/2013 11:49:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:47:23 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:45:31 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/18/2013 10:18:59 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I think they're dumb/immoral.

What ever happened to 'tolerance'? Oh wait, that only applies to demographics that vote Democrat.

I'm not American and what the f*ck is tolerance? Would you "tolerate" being raped?

Tolerance is the buzzword Democrats have thrown out for the past 50 years to anyone who disagrees with them on social issues, while wanting someone to sh*t in Sarah Palin's mouth.
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11/19/2013 11:52:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:49:05 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:47:23 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:45:31 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/18/2013 10:18:59 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I think they're dumb/immoral.

What ever happened to 'tolerance'? Oh wait, that only applies to demographics that vote Democrat.

I'm not American and what the f*ck is tolerance? Would you "tolerate" being raped?

Tolerance is the buzzword Democrats have thrown out for the past 50 years to anyone who disagrees with them on social issues, while wanting someone to sh*t in Sarah Palin's mouth.

I don't adhere to "tolerance".
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11/19/2013 11:53:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:52:25 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:49:05 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:47:23 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:45:31 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/18/2013 10:18:59 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I think they're dumb/immoral.

What ever happened to 'tolerance'? Oh wait, that only applies to demographics that vote Democrat.

I'm not American and what the f*ck is tolerance? Would you "tolerate" being raped?

Tolerance is the buzzword Democrats have thrown out for the past 50 years to anyone who disagrees with them on social issues, while wanting someone to sh*t in Sarah Palin's mouth.

I don't adhere to "tolerance".

And neither do Democrats.
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11/19/2013 11:54:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:43:56 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:38:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It is an indictment against all Liberals and you have just admitted you are a Liberal who thinks non-Liberals are immoral for not believin2g in government solutions like you.

Liberals like to proclaim to be the compassionate ones helping the poor and vulnerable yet they do it through theft of others to do their bidding for them and then expect to be patted on the back for it.

No it isn't. It's an indictment against what Rothbard perceives Liberals to be.

Look at the third post in this thread:

At 11/18/2013 10:32:35 PM, Beverlee wrote:
I'm a liberal. As far as why that is, I think it's just a compassion thing.

I don't fit the bill. That quote only serves to empower me, thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Are you a Liberal, stop beating around the bush and be specific.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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11/19/2013 11:57:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:54:04 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:43:56 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:38:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It is an indictment against all Liberals and you have just admitted you are a Liberal who thinks non-Liberals are immoral for not believin2g in government solutions like you.

Liberals like to proclaim to be the compassionate ones helping the poor and vulnerable yet they do it through theft of others to do their bidding for them and then expect to be patted on the back for it.

No it isn't. It's an indictment against what Rothbard perceives Liberals to be.

Look at the third post in this thread:

At 11/18/2013 10:32:35 PM, Beverlee wrote:
I'm a liberal. As far as why that is, I think it's just a compassion thing.

I don't fit the bill. That quote only serves to empower me, thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Are you a Liberal, stop beating around the bush and be specific.

You don't understand your own quote. It's a dig at the "humanity" Rothbard perceives Liberals to be putting forward. Again, I don't fit the bill.
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11/19/2013 12:00:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The only success there is for Rothbard in that quote is in so perfectly illustrating how much of a piece of sh*t he was.
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11/19/2013 12:01:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:38:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:27:41 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
That quote is nothing short of laughable in being used in argument against me.

It is an indictment against all Liberals and you have just admitted you are a Liberal who thinks non-Liberals are immoral for not believing in government solutions like you.

Liberals like to proclaim to be the compassionate ones helping the poor and vulnerable yet they do it through theft of others to do their bidding for them and then expect to be patted on the back for it.

The above quotation is an example of unmitigated idiocy. Please, take caution while reading it.
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11/19/2013 12:02:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I am a proud liberal.
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11/19/2013 12:15:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:57:17 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
You don't understand your own quote. It's a dig at the "humanity" Rothbard perceives Liberals to be putting forward.

My understanding is the same as the Ludwig von Mises Institute, you don't know what you're talking about.

"Joseph Sobran recently wrote that, in the current lexicon, "need" is the desire of people to loot the wealth of others; "greed" is the desire of those others to keep the money they have earned; and "compassion" is the function of those who negotiate the transfer. The ruling elite may be considered the "professional compassionate" class. It is easy, of course, to be conspicuously "compassionate" if others are being forced to pay the cost. 190n the new group egalitarianism, see Rothbard, Freedom, Inequality, and Primitivism, and the Diuision of labor, pp. 8-15

This acceleration of New Egalitarianism leads, relatively quickly, to inherent problems. First, there is what Mises called "the exhaustion of the reserve fund," that is, the resources available to be plundered and to pay for all this."

http://mises.org...

Again, I don't fit the bill.

Why is it so hard for you to admit what you are. Are you a Liberal, a Moderate, a Socialist. Why are you ashamed.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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11/19/2013 12:22:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 12:15:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:57:17 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
You don't understand your own quote. It's a dig at the "humanity" Rothbard perceives Liberals to be putting forward.

My understanding is the same as the Ludwig von Mises Institute, you don't know what you're talking about.

"Joseph Sobran recently wrote that, in the current lexicon, "need" is the desire of people to loot the wealth of others; "greed" is the desire of those others to keep the money they have earned; and "compassion" is the function of those who negotiate the transfer. The ruling elite may be considered the "professional compassionate" class. It is easy, of course, to be conspicuously "compassionate" if others are being forced to pay the cost. 190n the new group egalitarianism, see Rothbard, Freedom, Inequality, and Primitivism, and the Diuision of labor, pp. 8-15

This acceleration of New Egalitarianism leads, relatively quickly, to inherent problems. First, there is what Mises called "the exhaustion of the reserve fund," that is, the resources available to be plundered and to pay for all this."

http://mises.org...

Oh, seems like you do get it. So you subscribe to such a bleak view of humanity?

Again, I don't fit the bill.

Why is it so hard for you to admit what you are. Are you a Liberal, a Moderate, a Socialist. Why are you ashamed.

I am a Liberal, Socialist, Communist, anything that isn't Individualist.
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11/19/2013 12:30:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Rothbard: Tax is theft, you go to jail if you don't pay taxes ergo your money is being taken from you by force.

Geo: Holy sh*t, he's right!! Wait....Beverlee just said "compassionate" and Rothbard has a quote that says that word, too.
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11/19/2013 12:46:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I take it, by "liberal", you mean the American conception of liberal, which seems to be anyone to the left of the radical right like Milton Friedman and not say, the classical use of the word.

As for why, I'd say it's a mixture of personal experience, social science and commitments to certain principles. Take healthcare as an example. I favour a socialised system because of

1. the very positive experience I have using such a system
2. the data (as best as I can see) to support this system from even hostile sources (e.g. OECD, etc) as opposed to the alternatives
3. Ensuring universal coverage (as opposed to leaving people uncovered/undercovered/at the mercy of insurance companies) and providing a level of care for every person is just the right thing to do. And so on.

As for others, it depends, I suppose. I do think there is a (moral) "right" answer generally in making political decisions. Assuming we're talking about a well-meaning and somewhat informed opposing view, I'd think they're misguided rather than immoral. Again, it depends what they say, their intentions and so on.
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11/19/2013 12:47:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 12:30:43 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Rothbard: Tax is theft, you go to jail if you don't pay taxes ergo your money is being taken from you by force.

Geo: Holy sh*t, he's right!! Wait....Beverlee just said "compassionate" and Rothbard has a quote that says that word, too.

Your failed attempts at being clever notwithstanding. You believe that by repeating the same thing over and again you can win an argument.

You have tried several to times with futility to declare that I do not understand my own arguments despite having demonstrated full comprehension of what I espouse.

What is incredibly laughable is the fact that you at first admitted that I proved understanding but labeled my views callous. Then backpedaled and tried to say "oh wait, I mean no you don't understand."

All of this is intended to veil the fact that you are the one who initially didn't understand the quote.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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11/19/2013 12:50:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 12:47:38 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/19/2013 12:30:43 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Rothbard: Tax is theft, you go to jail if you don't pay taxes ergo your money is being taken from you by force.

Geo: Holy sh*t, he's right!! Wait....Beverlee just said "compassionate" and Rothbard has a quote that says that word, too.

Your failed attempts at being clever notwithstanding. You believe that by repeating the same thing over and again you can win an argument.

You have tried several to times with futility to declare that I do not understand my own arguments despite having demonstrated full comprehension of what I espouse.

What is incredibly laughable is the fact that you at first admitted that I proved understanding but labeled my views callous. Then backpedaled and tried to say "oh wait, I mean no you don't understand."

Actually, no. What you quoted displayed full comprehension of what Rothbard was saying which gave me pause. I then thought some more, however, and realised that you yourself haven't a clue what Rothbard was saying. Basically, he was saying that humanity is a steaming pile of sh*t and that there is no such thing as compassion. Do you agree with this?

All of this is intended to veil the fact that you are the one who initially didn't understand the quote.

I did, though.
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11/19/2013 1:07:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 11:38:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/19/2013 11:27:41 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
That quote is nothing short of laughable in being used in argument against me.

It is an indictment against all Liberals and you have just admitted you are a Liberal who thinks non-Liberals are immoral for not believing in government solutions like you.

Liberals like to proclaim to be the compassionate ones helping the poor and vulnerable yet they do it through theft of others to do their bidding for them and then expect to be patted on the back for it.

Libertarianism is narcissism codified into political philosophy.
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11/19/2013 1:20:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 12:02:36 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am a proud liberal.

Yeah, I am too.

I'm also, like I said, not "anti-nonliberal," I am anti-@sshole.

There are people all over the social spectrum who really aren't out there to cause harm and pain and fear. So there are Republicans that are very sweet and kind, and liberals that are total jerks. I don't like those people, and they really aren't very attractive to anyone else, either.