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1/29/2014 4:13:28 PM
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I was talking to YYW, Khaos, and Pots, about Michelle Bachman, and we noted that her husband seemed really gay.

Is "gaydar," or the ability to sense if people are gay, a real thing. Slate Magazine says it is, but what do you think. Read the article, and comment. I'm eager to hear your thoughts.

http://www.slate.com...
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1/29/2014 4:17:57 PM
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At 1/29/2014 4:13:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I was talking to YYW, Khaos, and Pots, about Michelle Bachman, and we noted that her husband seemed really gay.

Is "gaydar," or the ability to sense if people are gay, a real thing. Slate Magazine says it is, but what do you think. Read the article, and comment. I'm eager to hear your thoughts.

http://www.slate.com...

Check this out:

http://nymag.com...
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1/29/2014 4:22:12 PM
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At 1/29/2014 4:17:57 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:13:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I was talking to YYW, Khaos, and Pots, about Michelle Bachman, and we noted that her husband seemed really gay.

Is "gaydar," or the ability to sense if people are gay, a real thing. Slate Magazine says it is, but what do you think. Read the article, and comment. I'm eager to hear your thoughts.

http://www.slate.com...

Check this out:

http://nymag.com...

Wow. Now I'm gonna be checking all my possibly-gay friends out to see the direction of the swirl in their hair. I'm gonna be such a creeper.
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1/29/2014 4:24:53 PM
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At 1/29/2014 4:22:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:17:57 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:13:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I was talking to YYW, Khaos, and Pots, about Michelle Bachman, and we noted that her husband seemed really gay.

Is "gaydar," or the ability to sense if people are gay, a real thing. Slate Magazine says it is, but what do you think. Read the article, and comment. I'm eager to hear your thoughts.

http://www.slate.com...

Check this out:

http://nymag.com...

Wow. Now I'm gonna be checking all my possibly-gay friends out to see the direction of the swirl in their hair. I'm gonna be such a creeper.

I already do. Just be careful to take in consideration the fact that the direction they comb their hair might affect the way the whorl appears.

Gay men also walk differently than straight men. It's hard to describe the difference of gate, but it's noticeable if you know what to look for. Same for forefinger length.
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1/29/2014 4:50:29 PM
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At 1/29/2014 4:24:53 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:22:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:17:57 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:13:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I was talking to YYW, Khaos, and Pots, about Michelle Bachman, and we noted that her husband seemed really gay.

Is "gaydar," or the ability to sense if people are gay, a real thing. Slate Magazine says it is, but what do you think. Read the article, and comment. I'm eager to hear your thoughts.

http://www.slate.com...

Check this out:

http://nymag.com...

Wow. Now I'm gonna be checking all my possibly-gay friends out to see the direction of the swirl in their hair. I'm gonna be such a creeper.

I already do. Just be careful to take in consideration the fact that the direction they comb their hair might affect the way the whorl appears.

Gay men also walk differently than straight men. It's hard to describe the difference of gate, but it's noticeable if you know what to look for. Same for forefinger length.

http://fingerlengthdigitratio.wordpress.com...

I've got heterosexual hands...what?
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1/29/2014 4:57:18 PM
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At 1/29/2014 4:50:29 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:24:53 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:22:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:17:57 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/29/2014 4:13:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I was talking to YYW, Khaos, and Pots, about Michelle Bachman, and we noted that her husband seemed really gay.

Is "gaydar," or the ability to sense if people are gay, a real thing. Slate Magazine says it is, but what do you think. Read the article, and comment. I'm eager to hear your thoughts.

http://www.slate.com...

Check this out:

http://nymag.com...

Wow. Now I'm gonna be checking all my possibly-gay friends out to see the direction of the swirl in their hair. I'm gonna be such a creeper.

I already do. Just be careful to take in consideration the fact that the direction they comb their hair might affect the way the whorl appears.

Gay men also walk differently than straight men. It's hard to describe the difference of gate, but it's noticeable if you know what to look for. Same for forefinger length.

http://fingerlengthdigitratio.wordpress.com...

I've got heterosexual hands...what?

It's one of those necessary but not sufficient things...
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1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM
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I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.
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1/29/2014 5:19:15 PM
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Gaydar is a thing, but all that stuff about whorls going in different directions etc. is nonsense.
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1/29/2014 5:22:09 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM, Wylted wrote:
I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.

Or it could just be that gay men are generally cleaner and thus smell differently from straight men. Mormons can recognize other Mormons on sight (http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu...) and they hypothesize that this is due to Mormons being generally healthier than the rest of the population, and skin reflects general health.
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1/29/2014 5:22:33 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM, Wylted wrote:
I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.

Or maybe the man's mind was relaying its number crunching to the man by means of phantom smell.
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1/29/2014 5:25:10 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:19:15 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Gaydar is a thing, but all that stuff about whorls going in different directions etc. is nonsense.

Only you, badger, would be so audacious as to outrightly, through an online forum, dismiss scientific research with no basis whatsoever.
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1/29/2014 5:30:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 5:22:09 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM, Wylted wrote:
I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.

Or it could just be that gay men are generally cleaner and thus smell differently from straight men. Mormons can recognize other Mormons on sight (http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu...) and they hypothesize that this is due to Mormons being generally healthier than the rest of the population, and skin reflects general health.

That's cool. I know a few Mormons and this sound plausible.

However, I don't think one could describe Romney as "clean" lol. I guess there are exceptions to every phenomenon.
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1/29/2014 5:31:41 PM
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@AnDoc and YYW - if you're going to argue, could you do it in another thread? *cue beseeching cry*
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1/29/2014 5:31:55 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:22:09 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM, Wylted wrote:
I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.

Or it could just be that gay men are generally cleaner and thus smell differently from straight men. Mormons can recognize other Mormons on sight (http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu...) and they hypothesize that this is due to Mormons being generally healthier than the rest of the population, and skin reflects general health.

Could be true. I'm sure a number of subconscious things were at play.
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1/29/2014 5:32:21 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:30:40 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:22:09 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM, Wylted wrote:
I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.

Or it could just be that gay men are generally cleaner and thus smell differently from straight men. Mormons can recognize other Mormons on sight (http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu...) and they hypothesize that this is due to Mormons being generally healthier than the rest of the population, and skin reflects general health.

That's cool. I know a few Mormons and this sound plausible.

However, I don't think one could describe Romney as "clean" lol. I guess there are exceptions to every phenomenon.

Idk, Romney is remarkably handsome and young looking for a man of almost 70.
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1/29/2014 5:33:28 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:22:33 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM, Wylted wrote:
I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.

Or maybe the man's mind was relaying its number crunching to the man by means of phantom smell.

That certainly makes sense the brain can't directly relay the number crunching so manufacturing a phantom smell makes sense.
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1/29/2014 5:33:51 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:32:21 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:30:40 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:22:09 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM, Wylted wrote:
I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.

Or it could just be that gay men are generally cleaner and thus smell differently from straight men. Mormons can recognize other Mormons on sight (http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu...) and they hypothesize that this is due to Mormons being generally healthier than the rest of the population, and skin reflects general health.

That's cool. I know a few Mormons and this sound plausible.

However, I don't think one could describe Romney as "clean" lol. I guess there are exceptions to every phenomenon.

Idk, Romney is remarkably handsome and young looking for a man of almost 70.

True, but his looks belie a heart of Bain Capital sleeze.
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1/29/2014 5:35:01 PM
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I don't dismiss it outrightly, actually, but I think that people attach far too much significance to stuff like this. A person's brain rebuilds itself completely when they change from believing in god to not believing in god, and so why mightn't the same be true for the body? Whorls going in a different direction for the gay man who goes in a different direction to the straight man is certainly something interesting to consider with such in mind. Regardless, I can explain every gay person's psychology here with reference to their circumstance. I'll stick to what I know.
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1/29/2014 5:35:57 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:32:21 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:30:40 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:22:09 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM, Wylted wrote:
I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.

Or it could just be that gay men are generally cleaner and thus smell differently from straight men. Mormons can recognize other Mormons on sight (http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu...) and they hypothesize that this is due to Mormons being generally healthier than the rest of the population, and skin reflects general health.

That's cool. I know a few Mormons and this sound plausible.

However, I don't think one could describe Romney as "clean" lol. I guess there are exceptions to every phenomenon.

Idk, Romney is remarkably handsome and young looking for a man of almost 70.

I think it was just a joking way to take a swipe at someone with different beliefs.
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1/29/2014 5:39:15 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:33:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:22:33 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:12:26 PM, Wylted wrote:
I had this friend who claimed he could smell if a person was gay. I thought he was full of crap because the one friend of mine he said smelled gay was in fact straight. Well recently this gay smelling straight man Cain out of the closet and it really got me thinking.

I was thinking it must have been a pheromone that guy was smelling or something.

Or maybe the man's mind was relaying its number crunching to the man by means of phantom smell.

That certainly makes sense the brain can't directly relay the number crunching so manufacturing a phantom smell makes sense.

It's rather well-documented that such things occur. If you tell a person they'll smell mint upon hearing a certain frequency of sound, for example, they'll smell mint upon hearing that certain frequency of sound, but only because they're expecting to smell mint, not for any mechanical reason. And then massive unconscious calculation/knowing, too, is rather well-documented.
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1/29/2014 5:50:24 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:35:01 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I don't dismiss it outrightly, actually, but I think that people attach far too much significance to stuff like this. A person's brain rebuilds itself completely when they change from believing in god to not believing in god, and so why mightn't the same be true for the body? Whorls going in a different direction for the gay man who goes in a different direction to the straight man is certainly something interesting to consider with such in mind. Regardless, I can explain every gay person's psychology here with reference to their circumstance. I'll stick to what I know.

I think that's a balanced approach. But I think--on a different note not really relevant to the topic at hand--the belief or disbelief in God is more of a choice, whereas being gay is not.

Ultimately, CC whorls might be "more likely" in gay men, but that doesn't mean most men with such whorls are gay. We certainly can't tell a persons orientation based on these factors alone.
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1/29/2014 5:58:54 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:50:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:35:01 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I don't dismiss it outrightly, actually, but I think that people attach far too much significance to stuff like this. A person's brain rebuilds itself completely when they change from believing in god to not believing in god, and so why mightn't the same be true for the body? Whorls going in a different direction for the gay man who goes in a different direction to the straight man is certainly something interesting to consider with such in mind. Regardless, I can explain every gay person's psychology here with reference to their circumstance. I'll stick to what I know.

I think that's a balanced approach. But I think--on a different note not really relevant to the topic at hand--the belief or disbelief in God is more of a choice, whereas being gay is not.

I'm of the opinion that it's the same mechanism - that is, intelligence - by which a person both comes to believe in god and to be gay. Of course, I do think there's more of a choice as regards the former, but only because intelligence is denied as firm a grasp there as it is with the latter. Popular music is popular music because it's popular. Really, all it is is ordered noise.

Ultimately, CC whorls might be "more likely" in gay men, but that doesn't mean most men with such whorls are gay. We certainly can't tell a persons orientation based on these factors alone.
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1/29/2014 6:03:40 PM
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At 1/29/2014 5:58:54 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:50:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:35:01 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I don't dismiss it outrightly, actually, but I think that people attach far too much significance to stuff like this. A person's brain rebuilds itself completely when they change from believing in god to not believing in god, and so why mightn't the same be true for the body? Whorls going in a different direction for the gay man who goes in a different direction to the straight man is certainly something interesting to consider with such in mind. Regardless, I can explain every gay person's psychology here with reference to their circumstance. I'll stick to what I know.

I think that's a balanced approach. But I think--on a different note not really relevant to the topic at hand--the belief or disbelief in God is more of a choice, whereas being gay is not.

I'm of the opinion that it's the same mechanism - that is, intelligence - by which a person both comes to believe in god and to be gay. Of course, I do think there's more of a choice as regards the former, but only because intelligence is denied as firm a grasp there as it is with the latter. Popular music is popular music because it's popular. Really, all it is is ordered noise.

Okay--let me see if I'm reading you right: that intelligence (I'm assuming the brain process that allow us to engage in high-level cognition and sentimentality) determines how we function.

Those brain processes push us in either a theist-atheist, or gay-straight direction, and our ability to impact the trajectory we're moving in is limited, but greater in the former than the latter.

If this summary is accurate, I can buy that idea. I think more information though is necessary to have a better grasp on the issue, of course.
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1/29/2014 6:15:10 PM
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At 1/29/2014 6:03:40 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:58:54 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:50:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:35:01 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I don't dismiss it outrightly, actually, but I think that people attach far too much significance to stuff like this. A person's brain rebuilds itself completely when they change from believing in god to not believing in god, and so why mightn't the same be true for the body? Whorls going in a different direction for the gay man who goes in a different direction to the straight man is certainly something interesting to consider with such in mind. Regardless, I can explain every gay person's psychology here with reference to their circumstance. I'll stick to what I know.

I think that's a balanced approach. But I think--on a different note not really relevant to the topic at hand--the belief or disbelief in God is more of a choice, whereas being gay is not.

I'm of the opinion that it's the same mechanism - that is, intelligence - by which a person both comes to believe in god and to be gay. Of course, I do think there's more of a choice as regards the former, but only because intelligence is denied as firm a grasp there as it is with the latter. Popular music is popular music because it's popular. Really, all it is is ordered noise.


Okay--let me see if I'm reading you right: that intelligence (I'm assuming the brain process that allow us to engage in high-level cognition and sentimentality) determines how we function.

Those brain processes push us in either a theist-atheist, or gay-straight direction, and our ability to impact the trajectory we're moving in is limited, but greater in the former than the latter.

If this summary is accurate, I can buy that idea. I think more information though is necessary to have a better grasp on the issue, of course.

Read the posts I made in the "DDO needs more homosexuals" thread and the thread in philosophy about vegetarianism. It's the same right across the board, intelligence being the ruler of all, having completely severed you from all else around you in its capacity, were you ever attached.
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1/29/2014 6:22:47 PM
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At 1/29/2014 6:03:40 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:58:54 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:50:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 5:35:01 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I don't dismiss it outrightly, actually, but I think that people attach far too much significance to stuff like this. A person's brain rebuilds itself completely when they change from believing in god to not believing in god, and so why mightn't the same be true for the body? Whorls going in a different direction for the gay man who goes in a different direction to the straight man is certainly something interesting to consider with such in mind. Regardless, I can explain every gay person's psychology here with reference to their circumstance. I'll stick to what I know.

I think that's a balanced approach. But I think--on a different note not really relevant to the topic at hand--the belief or disbelief in God is more of a choice, whereas being gay is not.

I'm of the opinion that it's the same mechanism - that is, intelligence - by which a person both comes to believe in god and to be gay. Of course, I do think there's more of a choice as regards the former, but only because intelligence is denied as firm a grasp there as it is with the latter. Popular music is popular music because it's popular. Really, all it is is ordered noise.


Okay--let me see if I'm reading you right: that intelligence (I'm assuming the brain process that allow us to engage in high-level cognition and sentimentality) determines how we function.

Those brain processes push us in either a theist-atheist, or gay-straight direction, and our ability to impact the trajectory we're moving in is limited, but greater in the former than the latter.

If this summary is accurate, I can buy that idea. I think more information though is necessary to have a better grasp on the issue, of course.

What he's saying has almost no basis in any psychological writing that was published after the 1970s. There is absolutely no evidence to indicate that belief in a god is contingent upon intellectual level. Even if there were, however, that any association may exist, is the byproduct of socially constructed norms which dictate that smart people cannot believe in God. Furthermore, there is no evidence to indicate that sexuality is contingent upon intellectual level.

The thing to recognize here is that what Badger is arguing for is a single contingent factor that determines an individual's fate, which (from a neurological, anthropological, psychological, sociological and economic perspective) carries all the intellectual credence of phrenology. Virtually no social scientist, nor subject of social science, or any other kind of science, would be so shortsighted -or arrogant- to make that claim.

But, what's deeply, almost endearingly amusing is that Badger believes that he's right. The reason he sees the world through the lens of "measured" intellectual ability is because he believes he's brilliant. There are reasons why that's ironic, but they're not for this thread.... other than to say that this worldview is the theorized manifestation of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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1/29/2014 6:25:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure the ratio of religious gay men to nonreligious gay men is much higher than that of its counterpart for straight men, by the way. Which is interesting, and supports what I'm saying here somewhat, but is unfortunately only a personally recorded trend.
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1/29/2014 6:28:12 PM
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At 1/29/2014 6:25:03 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I'm pretty sure the ratio of religious gay men to nonreligious gay men is much higher than that of its counterpart for straight men, by the way. Which is interesting, and supports what I'm saying here somewhat, but is unfortunately only a personally recorded trend.

Oh I would just delight to know the evidence you have for this audaciously bold proposal.
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1/29/2014 6:28:30 PM
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I'm not saying that it's contingent upon intellectual level, but merely intelligence, you retard. Tell a person they'll smell something when such and such occurs, and they smell it - no different from telling a person they'll feel attraction when such and such occurs and they feeling attraction. And then pathways must be created by expectation, by sheer processing rather than instinct, to accommodate such. This is pretty basic stuff.
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1/29/2014 6:30:17 PM
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Whenever Badger posts about things he is magnificently ignorant of, I just can't help but think "wow, here we go again." What concerns me is that baseless normative theorizing might be perceived by some to be more than baseless normative theorizing.
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1/29/2014 6:33:18 PM
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Take, for example, Badger's summarily dismissing the evidence in the NY Mag. article. He didn't even bother to substantiate his reasons for dismissing it, he just did so outrightly... for whatever reason we have yet to learn. This, like all his talk of intelligence being individual's fate's determining factor, is bullsh!t on stilts.
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