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5/10/2014 12:08:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm graduating high school on Thursday, so I'm putting together a summer reading list. So far I've got:

The Law by Bastiat
Road to Serfdom by Hayek
International Economics: Theory and Policy by Krugman
Freakonomics

So here's going to be DDO's graduation gift to me- each person that comments in this thread, please give me the names and authors of as many books as you want that you think I should read for educational purposes, because you think everybody should read those books, or just because you think I'd enjoy the book.

So what do you have for me?
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5/10/2014 12:33:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Congratulations!

I'm going to have mercy and just list a few books.

Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Francis J. Beckwith and Gregory Koukl.

Worldviews in Conflict: Choosing Christianity in a World of Ideas by Ronald H. Nash

Scaling the Secular City: A Defense of Christianity by J. P. Moreland

An Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding by David Hume

The Freedom of the Will by Jonathan Edwards

The Golden A5s by Apuleius

Crazy Horse and Custer by Stephen E. Ambrose

Undaunted Courage by Stephen Ambrose

God, Freedom, and Evil by Alvin C. Plantinga

The Traditional Bowyer's Bible, Volume 1, by Jim Hamm

Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals" Abuse of Science by Alan Sokal

God & the New Physics by Paul Davies

John Adams by David McCullough

How to Build a Time Machine by Paul Davies

Confederates in the Attic by Tony Horwitz

Money, Greed, and God by Jay W. Richards

Naturalism Defeated?: Essays on Plantinga"s Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism, edited by James Beilby

Defending Life: A Moral and Legal Case Against Abortion Choice by Francis J. Beckwith

The Resurrection of Jesus by Mike Licona

Agincourt by Juliet Barker

Azincourt by Bernard Cornwell

Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ by Daniel Coleman

The New Concise History of the Crusades by Thomas F. Madden

Okay, maybe more than a few.
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5/10/2014 12:40:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 12:33:32 PM, philochristos wrote:
Congratulations!

I'm going to have mercy and just list a few books.

Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Francis J. Beckwith and Gregory Koukl.

Worldviews in Conflict: Choosing Christianity in a World of Ideas by Ronald H. Nash

Scaling the Secular City: A Defense of Christianity by J. P. Moreland

An Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding by David Hume

The Freedom of the Will by Jonathan Edwards

The Golden A5s by Apuleius

Crazy Horse and Custer by Stephen E. Ambrose

Undaunted Courage by Stephen Ambrose

God, Freedom, and Evil by Alvin C. Plantinga

The Traditional Bowyer's Bible, Volume 1, by Jim Hamm

Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals" Abuse of Science by Alan Sokal

God & the New Physics by Paul Davies

John Adams by David McCullough

How to Build a Time Machine by Paul Davies

Confederates in the Attic by Tony Horwitz

Money, Greed, and God by Jay W. Richards

Naturalism Defeated?: Essays on Plantinga"s Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism, edited by James Beilby

Defending Life: A Moral and Legal Case Against Abortion Choice by Francis J. Beckwith

The Resurrection of Jesus by Mike Licona

Agincourt by Juliet Barker

Azincourt by Bernard Cornwell

Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ by Daniel Coleman

The New Concise History of the Crusades by Thomas F. Madden

Okay, maybe more than a few.

Wow. That's a long list. I also need to do some reading. I wanted however to read some politics, philosophy and economics and figured you are the guy to go for philosophy. What would you recommend for someone wishing to get into that field?
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5/10/2014 12:42:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The conquest of the Bread, by Kropotkin- Ordered it recently on flipkart. Have heard great things, and kinda voyeur into serious left libertarian discussions.

And I think Amartya Sen would be right up your alley, he has great conservative arguments over a lot of things. And he's a no nonsense kind of guy, so its pretty much- not boring.

We should have a book club on DDO, where we can discuss books we read together or something.
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5/10/2014 1:17:12 PM
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You've probably already read some of these, but here are some books I read this year in high school and I actually enjoyed:

Glass Castle
Catcher in the Rye
The Things They Carried

I especially liked the first book, but they were all good. I can't remember the name of the authors right now.
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5/10/2014 1:50:41 PM
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At 5/10/2014 12:42:31 PM, Cermank wrote:
The conquest of the Bread, by Kropotkin- Ordered it recently on flipkart. Have heard great things, and kinda voyeur into serious left libertarian discussions.

I read it a few months ago, would definitely recommend. What other left libertarian lit have you read? I could recommend some stuff if yer interested.

And I think Amartya Sen would be right up your alley, he has great conservative arguments over a lot of things. And he's a no nonsense kind of guy, so its pretty much- not boring.

We should have a book club on DDO, where we can discuss books we read together or something.

Raisor and a few of us talked about it some time ago but it never took off. We were gonna do Simulacra and Simulation by Baudrillard lol.
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: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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5/10/2014 2:06:17 PM
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At 5/10/2014 12:33:32 PM, philochristos wrote:
Congratulations!

I'm going to have mercy and just list a few books.

Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Francis J. Beckwith and Gregory Koukl.

Does this book defend relativism, just talk about relativism, or is it against relativism?

Worldviews in Conflict: Choosing Christianity in a World of Ideas by Ronald H. Nash

summarize what this book is about

Scaling the Secular City: A Defense of Christianity by J. P. Moreland

Summarize what this book is about

An Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding by David Hume

The Freedom of the Will by Jonathan Edwards

The Golden A5s by Apuleius

Crazy Horse and Custer by Stephen E. Ambrose

Undaunted Courage by Stephen Ambrose

God, Freedom, and Evil by Alvin C. Plantinga

Summarize what this book is about

The Traditional Bowyer's Bible, Volume 1, by Jim Hamm

Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals" Abuse of Science by Alan Sokal

God & the New Physics by Paul Davies

John Adams by David McCullough

How to Build a Time Machine by Paul Davies

Confederates in the Attic by Tony Horwitz

Money, Greed, and God by Jay W. Richards

summarize what this book is about

Naturalism Defeated?: Essays on Plantinga"s Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism, edited by James Beilby

Defending Life: A Moral and Legal Case Against Abortion Choice by Francis J. Beckwith

The Resurrection of Jesus by Mike Licona

Agincourt by Juliet Barker

Azincourt by Bernard Cornwell

Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ by Daniel Coleman

The New Concise History of the Crusades by Thomas F. Madden

Okay, maybe more than a few.
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5/10/2014 2:06:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
These are purely for entertainment, but if you haven't already, read

The fault in our stars, John Green (ive cried every single time i read this)
Divergent series, forgot the author
Hunger Games, that chick whose name i cant remember

Sorry to be so cliche teen chick, but i really enjoyed those books. I'll come up with more when i have the time to actually sit down and think....
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5/10/2014 2:07:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 12:08:47 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
I'm graduating high school on Thursday, so I'm putting together a summer reading list. So far I've got:

The Law by Bastiat
Road to Serfdom by Hayek
International Economics: Theory and Policy by Krugman
Freakonomics

I really wouldn't recommend any of these, though Freakonomics was at least interesting. Back in my libertarian days I poured into Bastiat, Say, Hayek, Rothbard, Hazlitt, Hoppe, even Block and DiLorenzo. They're all honestly awful reflecting back. Just skip that phase entirely and come be a communist lol. And Krugman is boring as f'ck.

So here's going to be DDO's graduation gift to me- each person that comments in this thread, please give me the names and authors of as many books as you want that you think I should read for educational purposes, because you think everybody should read those books, or just because you think I'd enjoy the book.

So what do you have for me?

Camus never disappoints me. Maybe start off with the Stranger since it's his most popular book but The Fall is honestly one of my all time favorites. Myth of Sisyphus is also good but it's a bit of a weird read at first. If I were to recommend his non-fic I'd have to go with The Rebel. It's more political and it covers a lot of existential themes.

Other than Camus I can really only conjure leftist political philosophy (since more traditional philosophical work wouldn't interest you I'm guessing). Maybe Kropotkin or some early Marx would be easy enough to get through.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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5/10/2014 2:47:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 2:06:41 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
These are purely for entertainment, but if you haven't already, read

The fault in our stars, John Green (ive cried every single time i read this)
Divergent series, forgot the author
Hunger Games, that chick whose name i cant remember

Sorry to be so cliche teen chick, but i really enjoyed those books. I'll come up with more when i have the time to actually sit down and think....

Well, as far as cliche teen books they aren't bad...
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell
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5/10/2014 2:47:17 PM
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At 5/10/2014 2:47:03 PM, CJKAllstar wrote:
At 5/10/2014 2:06:41 PM, AngelofDeath wrote:
These are purely for entertainment, but if you haven't already, read

The fault in our stars, John Green (ive cried every single time i read this)
Divergent series, forgot the author
Hunger Games, that chick whose name i cant remember

Sorry to be so cliche teen chick, but i really enjoyed those books. I'll come up with more when i have the time to actually sit down and think....

Well, as far as cliche teen books go, they aren't bad...
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell
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5/10/2014 4:16:13 PM
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At 5/10/2014 2:06:17 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/10/2014 12:33:32 PM, philochristos wrote:
Congratulations!

I'm going to have mercy and just list a few books.

Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Francis J. Beckwith and Gregory Koukl.

Does this book defend relativism, just talk about relativism, or is it against relativism?

It's against relativism.

Worldviews in Conflict: Choosing Christianity in a World of Ideas by Ronald H. Nash

summarize what this book is about

It's about worldview thinking. It analyzes various religions, not in terms of individual beliefs, but in terms of whole worldviews.

Scaling the Secular City: A Defense of Christianity by J. P. Moreland

Summarize what this book is about

It's just a basic defense of Christianity--theistic arguments, arguments for the soul, argument for the resurrection, etc.

God, Freedom, and Evil by Alvin C. Plantinga

Summarize what this book is about

It's an attempt to show that "evil exists" is logically compatible with "An all powerful and wholly good God exists."

Money, Greed, and God by Jay W. Richards

summarize what this book is about

It's a defense of capitalism from a Christian point of view.
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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5/10/2014 4:33:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 4:16:13 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 5/10/2014 2:06:17 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/10/2014 12:33:32 PM, philochristos wrote:
Congratulations!

I'm going to have mercy and just list a few books.

Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Francis J. Beckwith and Gregory Koukl.

Does this book defend relativism, just talk about relativism, or is it against relativism?

It's against relativism.

Worldviews in Conflict: Choosing Christianity in a World of Ideas by Ronald H. Nash

summarize what this book is about

It's about worldview thinking. It analyzes various religions, not in terms of individual beliefs, but in terms of whole worldviews.

Scaling the Secular City: A Defense of Christianity by J. P. Moreland

Summarize what this book is about

It's just a basic defense of Christianity--theistic arguments, arguments for the soul, argument for the resurrection, etc.

God, Freedom, and Evil by Alvin C. Plantinga

Summarize what this book is about

It's an attempt to show that "evil exists" is logically compatible with "An all powerful and wholly good God exists."

Money, Greed, and God by Jay W. Richards

summarize what this book is about

It's a defense of capitalism from a Christian point of view.

Cool thanks
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5/10/2014 5:33:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 1:50:41 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 5/10/2014 12:42:31 PM, Cermank wrote:
The conquest of the Bread, by Kropotkin- Ordered it recently on flipkart. Have heard great things, and kinda voyeur into serious left libertarian discussions.

I read it a few months ago, would definitely recommend. What other left libertarian lit have you read? I could recommend some stuff if yer interested.

That'd be great, thanks! I actually asked this on reddit, I wanted to start with Chomsky but apparently he's not that good a starting point(but I dunno).

And I think Amartya Sen would be right up your alley, he has great conservative arguments over a lot of things. And he's a no nonsense kind of guy, so its pretty much- not boring.

We should have a book club on DDO, where we can discuss books we read together or something.

Raisor and a few of us talked about it some time ago but it never took off. We were gonna do Simulacra and Simulation by Baudrillard lol.

That sounds awesome haha. We should try restart it, reading with a group helps build up interesting perspectives.
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5/11/2014 9:48:23 AM
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5/11/2014 2:33:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 12:33:32 PM, philochristos wrote:
Congratulations!

I'm going to have mercy and just list a few books.

Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Francis J. Beckwith and Gregory Koukl.

Worldviews in Conflict: Choosing Christianity in a World of Ideas by Ronald H. Nash

Scaling the Secular City: A Defense of Christianity by J. P. Moreland

An Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding by David Hume

The Freedom of the Will by Jonathan Edwards

The Golden A5s by Apuleius

Crazy Horse and Custer by Stephen E. Ambrose

Undaunted Courage by Stephen Ambrose

God, Freedom, and Evil by Alvin C. Plantinga

The Traditional Bowyer's Bible, Volume 1, by Jim Hamm

Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals" Abuse of Science by Alan Sokal

God & the New Physics by Paul Davies

John Adams by David McCullough

How to Build a Time Machine by Paul Davies

Is this a new one? I have quite a few Davies books and I've never heard of this one.
Confederates in the Attic by Tony Horwitz

Money, Greed, and God by Jay W. Richards

Naturalism Defeated?: Essays on Plantinga"s Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism, edited by James Beilby

Defending Life: A Moral and Legal Case Against Abortion Choice by Francis J. Beckwith

The Resurrection of Jesus by Mike Licona

Agincourt by Juliet Barker

Azincourt by Bernard Cornwell

Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ by Daniel Coleman

The New Concise History of the Crusades by Thomas F. Madden

Okay, maybe more than a few.
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5/11/2014 2:35:18 PM
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Human, all too Human by Nietzsche
Consciousness and its implications by Daniel Robinson
Philosophy of mind: A Beginner's Guide by Ian Ravenscroft
Will to Power: The Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche by Robert C. Solomon and Kathleen M. Higgins
Future of the Mind by Kaku.

There's more I want to read, but I'm going through those right now.
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5/11/2014 3:27:47 PM
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At 5/11/2014 2:33:34 PM, n7 wrote:

How to Build a Time Machine by Paul Davies

Is this a new one? I have quite a few Davies books and I've never heard of this one.

No, it's been around a while.
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5/12/2014 5:18:29 AM
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At 5/10/2014 12:08:47 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
I'm graduating high school on Thursday, so I'm putting together a summer reading list. So far I've got:

The Law by Bastiat
Road to Serfdom by Hayek
International Economics: Theory and Policy by Krugman
Freakonomics

I haven't read The Law, but I've read all the others. Very good choices. I might suggest something from Milton Friedman, Alan Greenspan, etc. to supplement that, if you were interested.

So here's going to be DDO's graduation gift to me- each person that comments in this thread, please give me the names and authors of as many books as you want that you think I should read for educational purposes, because you think everybody should read those books, or just because you think I'd enjoy the book.

So what do you have for me?
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5/12/2014 5:21:02 AM
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At 5/10/2014 12:33:32 PM, philochristos wrote:
Congratulations!

I'm going to have mercy and just list a few books.

Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Francis J. Beckwith and Gregory Koukl.

Worldviews in Conflict: Choosing Christianity in a World of Ideas by Ronald H. Nash

Scaling the Secular City: A Defense of Christianity by J. P. Moreland

An Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding by David Hume

The Freedom of the Will by Jonathan Edwards

The Golden A5s by Apuleius

Crazy Horse and Custer by Stephen E. Ambrose

Undaunted Courage by Stephen Ambrose

God, Freedom, and Evil by Alvin C. Plantinga

The Traditional Bowyer's Bible, Volume 1, by Jim Hamm

Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals" Abuse of Science by Alan Sokal

God & the New Physics by Paul Davies

John Adams by David McCullough

I read that in high school over the summer between my sophomore and junior year for AP US history. It's a fantastic read, if you like American History.

How to Build a Time Machine by Paul Davies

Confederates in the Attic by Tony Horwitz

Money, Greed, and God by Jay W. Richards

Naturalism Defeated?: Essays on Plantinga"s Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism, edited by James Beilby

Defending Life: A Moral and Legal Case Against Abortion Choice by Francis J. Beckwith

The Resurrection of Jesus by Mike Licona

Agincourt by Juliet Barker

Azincourt by Bernard Cornwell

Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ by Daniel Coleman

The New Concise History of the Crusades by Thomas F. Madden

Okay, maybe more than a few.

That's impressive, man. You might post some reviews/recommendations on stuff you found that was good once you get a few of these read. It sounds like you've got a good summer ahead, too!
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5/12/2014 5:21:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 1:17:12 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
You've probably already read some of these, but here are some books I read this year in high school and I actually enjoyed:

Glass Castle
Catcher in the Rye
The Things They Carried


I especially liked the first book, but they were all good. I can't remember the name of the authors right now.

What did you think about Catcher? What do you think of Holden?
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5/12/2014 5:23:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/11/2014 2:35:18 PM, n7 wrote:
Human, all too Human by Nietzsche

Once you've read that, I'd be interested to know what you think about it.

Consciousness and its implications by Daniel Robinson
Philosophy of mind: A Beginner's Guide by Ian Ravens croft
Will to Power: The Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche by Robert C. Solomon and Kathleen M. Higgins
Future of the Mind by Kaku.

There's more I want to read, but I'm going through those right now.
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5/12/2014 7:50:20 AM
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At 5/12/2014 5:21:02 AM, YYW wrote:

That's impressive, man. You might post some reviews/recommendations on stuff you found that was good once you get a few of these read. It sounds like you've got a good summer ahead, too!

Oh, I've already read these. I was recommending books for Classic Robert.
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5/12/2014 8:09:44 AM
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At 5/10/2014 3:56:07 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/10/2014 12:08:47 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:

"Curious George and the Electric Fence"

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