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KhaosMage
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1/5/2015 12:21:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
What the hell is this?
Why would I want that? My dreams kick azz!

Most importantly, how does it not differ from daydreaming or using your imagination?
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1/5/2015 12:37:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 12:21:59 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
What the hell is this?
Why would I want that? My dreams kick azz!

Most importantly, how does it not differ from daydreaming or using your imagination?

You're fully conscious when you use your imagination and when you daydream. From start to finish you know that everything is just something you're making up in your head.

When you have a lucid dream, it's in your sleep and your body is unconscious. I think it happens in the middle of the dream, so initially you're immersed and you don't realize that you're in a dream.

I've only experienced a lucid dream once, and I remember it distinctly. I was having your average weird dream where I was in a kids cartoon show, and suddenly I realized I was in a dream. It felt like I had the power to stop it and get up whenever I wanted, but I didn't for some reason. The dream kept going, but I was aware that it was a dream.

It was a pretty weird experience. Definitely completely different from a day dream or using my imagination.
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1/5/2015 12:51:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 12:37:10 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
At 1/5/2015 12:21:59 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
What the hell is this?
Why would I want that? My dreams kick azz!

Most importantly, how does it not differ from daydreaming or using your imagination?

You're fully conscious when you use your imagination and when you daydream. From start to finish you know that everything is just something you're making up in your head.

When you have a lucid dream, it's in your sleep and your body is unconscious. I think it happens in the middle of the dream, so initially you're immersed and you don't realize that you're in a dream.

I've only experienced a lucid dream once, and I remember it distinctly. I was having your average weird dream where I was in a kids cartoon show, and suddenly I realized I was in a dream. It felt like I had the power to stop it and get up whenever I wanted, but I didn't for some reason. The dream kept going, but I was aware that it was a dream.

It was a pretty weird experience. Definitely completely different from a day dream or using my imagination.

Perhaps it depends on the person. I don't know.
I've been told the following, and all are untrue for me:
you cannot die in your dream
you do not dream in color
you cannot read

also, I have dreams where I'm not even there.
I have dream where there is back story.

LOL, I remember a dream once where I said "hey, this is a dream, I don't have to do this" and my boss said "this ain't no dream, get back to work". I was pissed when I woke up.

So, for me, I don't get the difference, but maybe I have them often enough where I don't see them as being special.
I don't know.
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1/5/2015 1:02:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 12:51:54 PM, KhaosMage wrote:

Perhaps it depends on the person. I don't know.
I've been told the following, and all are untrue for me:
you cannot die in your dream
you do not dream in color
you cannot read

Huh, I don't know about the last 2. Lucid dreaming just means you're aware you are dreaming. Never heard any stipulations that have to go with it.


also, I have dreams where I'm not even there.
I have dream where there is back story.

LOL, I remember a dream once where I said "hey, this is a dream, I don't have to do this" and my boss said "this ain't no dream, get back to work". I was pissed when I woke up.

So, for me, I don't get the difference, but maybe I have them often enough where I don't see them as being special.
I don't know.

Maybe lol, some pretty interesting dreams right there.

I have dreams where I frequently have calculus problems I need to solve. I'm always cold when I'm doing them so I can never get a good night's sleep, and my brain feels constantly strained. Problem is, I can't read/see the calculus problems, I just know I'm trying to figure out how to do something. I don't remember what I was doing, but I was definitely trying to solve the calculus problem -.-
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1/5/2015 1:04:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 12:51:54 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
At 1/5/2015 12:37:10 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
At 1/5/2015 12:21:59 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
What the hell is this?
Why would I want that? My dreams kick azz!

Most importantly, how does it not differ from daydreaming or using your imagination?

You're fully conscious when you use your imagination and when you daydream. From start to finish you know that everything is just something you're making up in your head.

When you have a lucid dream, it's in your sleep and your body is unconscious. I think it happens in the middle of the dream, so initially you're immersed and you don't realize that you're in a dream.

I've only experienced a lucid dream once, and I remember it distinctly. I was having your average weird dream where I was in a kids cartoon show, and suddenly I realized I was in a dream. It felt like I had the power to stop it and get up whenever I wanted, but I didn't for some reason. The dream kept going, but I was aware that it was a dream.

It was a pretty weird experience. Definitely completely different from a day dream or using my imagination.

Perhaps it depends on the person. I don't know.
I've been told the following, and all are untrue for me:
you cannot die in your dream
you do not dream in color
you cannot read
Same here.
also, I have dreams where I'm not even there.
Me too a lot.
I have dream where there is back story.
I also have dreams like this.
LOL, I remember a dream once where I said "hey, this is a dream, I don't have to do this" and my boss said "this ain't no dream, get back to work". I was pissed when I woke up.

So, for me, I don't get the difference, but maybe I have them often enough where I don't see them as being special.
I don't know.
That may be it or you don't have them at all.
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1/5/2015 1:12:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 1:02:56 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
At 1/5/2015 12:51:54 PM, KhaosMage wrote:

Perhaps it depends on the person. I don't know.
I've been told the following, and all are untrue for me:
you cannot die in your dream
you do not dream in color
you cannot read

Huh, I don't know about the last 2. Lucid dreaming just means you're aware you are dreaming. Never heard any stipulations that have to go with it.

I meant in general, I've heard people say these things cannot occur in dreams in general.


also, I have dreams where I'm not even there.
I have dream where there is back story.

LOL, I remember a dream once where I said "hey, this is a dream, I don't have to do this" and my boss said "this ain't no dream, get back to work". I was pissed when I woke up.

So, for me, I don't get the difference, but maybe I have them often enough where I don't see them as being special.
I don't know.

Maybe lol, some pretty interesting dreams right there.
You don't know the half of it :/

I have dreams where I frequently have calculus problems I need to solve. I'm always cold when I'm doing them so I can never get a good night's sleep, and my brain feels constantly strained. Problem is, I can't read/see the calculus problems, I just know I'm trying to figure out how to do something. I don't remember what I was doing, but I was definitely trying to solve the calculus problem -.-
Are you a student?
Dreams like these are common. Stressed about work/school, you have dreams about them. I can't tell you how many dreams I've had about my car's brakes failing (pizza delivery) or endless lines (cashier) or other such unpleasantness.
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1/5/2015 1:16:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Largely nonsense with regard to conventional considerations as regards consciousness. Really, you control all your dreams, but it's never going to feel that way. Heck, there is no real divide between conscious and unconscious, just the words coming out of your mouth, your presence behind them, makes it seem so. What's actually cool, though, is steering yours/other people's dreams. If I were to say 'only smart people hear music in their dreams' for example...
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1/5/2015 1:20:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 1:16:27 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Largely nonsense with regard to conventional considerations as regards consciousness. Really, you control all your dreams, but it's never going to feel that way. Heck, there is no real divide between conscious and unconscious, just the words coming out of your mouth, your presence behind them, makes it seem so. What's actually cool, though, is steering yours/other people's dreams. If I were to say 'only smart people hear music in their dreams' for example...

We're masterful at deluding the 'presence', basically.
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1/5/2015 2:08:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 12:21:59 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
What the hell is this?
Why would I want that? My dreams kick azz!

Most importantly, how does it not differ from daydreaming or using your imagination?

I wish I could. It sounds like the most awesome thing ever.
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1/5/2015 2:12:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I had a weird lucid dream once where my family went to a vacation in Minecraft. It was pretty much like going from survival mode to creative mode.

Playing that game for 12 hours straight has its side effects.
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1/5/2015 2:29:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 1:12:41 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
Are you a student?
Dreams like these are common. Stressed about work/school, you have dreams about them. I can't tell you how many dreams I've had about my car's brakes failing (pizza delivery) or endless lines (cashier) or other such unpleasantness.

Yup, I'm in the 12th grade

I'm still waiting for a pleasant dream to come along. Been a while =/
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1/5/2015 2:44:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 2:12:19 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I had a weird lucid dream once where my family went to a vacation in Minecraft. It was pretty much like going from survival mode to creative mode.

Playing that game for 12 hours straight has its side effects.

That game is almost the absolute height of absurdity to me (second only to DDO elections). That is a funny f*cking dream though.
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1/5/2015 2:47:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 2:44:54 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/5/2015 2:12:19 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I had a weird lucid dream once where my family went to a vacation in Minecraft. It was pretty much like going from survival mode to creative mode.

Playing that game for 12 hours straight has its side effects.

That game is almost the absolute height of absurdity to me (second only to DDO elections). That is a funny f*cking dream though.

What's so absurd about it lol?
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1/5/2015 2:47:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I've similar dreams to what Skep has, but they're nothing very spectacular. I've also had full-blown waking hallucinations, which are probably the inverse, and were much more spectacular.
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1/5/2015 2:51:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 2:47:47 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/5/2015 2:44:54 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/5/2015 2:12:19 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I had a weird lucid dream once where my family went to a vacation in Minecraft. It was pretty much like going from survival mode to creative mode.

Playing that game for 12 hours straight has its side effects.

That game is almost the absolute height of absurdity to me (second only to DDO elections). That is a funny f*cking dream though.

What's so absurd about it lol?

Well, Skep spends his time building delusion, then realises it in his dream. Games like Minecraft are to sort of break protocol, to insert triviality and ease into them. The DDO elections are the same, all of you pretending like it matters worth a damn. It's delusion, plain and simple.
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1/5/2015 2:52:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
In my dream, which was exactly like Skeps, I played jet-pack laser-tag around my old school, lol.
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1/5/2015 3:00:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Consciousness is more of an everyday operating system, actually, in contrast to what I said earlier. But once you go to sleep, you fall back into your absoluteness. And that's how hypnosis works, then, in breaking protocol (it's all actually unconscious, just divided up).
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1/5/2015 3:06:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 3:00:52 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Consciousness is more of an everyday operating system, actually, in contrast to what I said earlier. But once you go to sleep, you fall back into your absoluteness. And that's how hypnosis works, then, in breaking protocol (it's all actually unconscious, just divided up).

Actually, I don't know, lol. Consciousness is definitely given too much credit though. A lot of the words that come out of your mouth are coming from deep down inside you, triggered by something, but it doesn't feel like that. But projecting that presence and control in upon your dreams, then, seems something counter to actual sleep. I don't know what the deal is.
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1/5/2015 3:08:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Like, morning prayers are a sort of meditation, for example, which summon forth a mindset and reception of the world...... Consciousness is a preciseness, I suppose. The thing that makes the decisions.
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1/5/2015 3:29:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 3:15:22 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I can only believe there is a God.

Can you start a blog called "Badger's thoughts"
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1/5/2015 3:29:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 3:29:00 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:15:22 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I can only believe there is a God.

Can you start a blog called "Badger's thoughts"

Would you read it?
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1/5/2015 3:29:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 3:29:36 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:29:00 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:15:22 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I can only believe there is a God.

Can you start a blog called "Badger's thoughts"

Would you read it?

Yes.
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1/5/2015 3:30:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 3:29:58 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:29:36 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:29:00 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:15:22 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I can only believe there is a God.

Can you start a blog called "Badger's thoughts"

Would you read it?

Yes.

Then no.
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1/5/2015 3:30:52 PM
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At 1/5/2015 3:30:32 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:29:58 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:29:36 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:29:00 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/5/2015 3:15:22 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I can only believe there is a God.

Can you start a blog called "Badger's thoughts"

Would you read it?

Yes.

Then no.

lol