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6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.
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6/10/2015 3:32:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Congrats man, I know this is something you have been hoping to do for a long time. Now you finally scratch this off your bucket list :-).
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6/10/2015 2:46:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Congratulations! That's so great!
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6/10/2015 4:50:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Congrats! If I get time I'll try to read it! :D
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6/10/2015 4:54:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Did you have to pay to publish it?
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6/11/2015 8:50:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Can I get a copy?
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6/11/2015 10:20:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Congrats. I'll probably read it since it's pretty cheap in India ;D
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6/11/2015 12:45:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 4:54:24 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Did you have to pay to publish it?

Negative. There's a royalty system: I get 70% of the "net" profit from the book. They ding a work based on its size in terms of "delivery cost", so in my case it's around a nickel that's taken off the top, then they split the rest 70/30.
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6/11/2015 12:45:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/11/2015 12:45:22 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/10/2015 4:54:24 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Did you have to pay to publish it?

Negative. There's a royalty system: I get 70% of the "net" profit from the book. They ding a work based on its size in terms of "delivery cost", so in my case it's around a nickel that's taken off the top, then they split the rest 70/30.

So you could just publish anything you want?
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6/11/2015 12:46:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/11/2015 8:50:37 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Can I get a copy?

I'll work on seeing how I can send review copies. It looks like it might not really be an option, and by signing up for Kindle Unlimited, I've given them exclusive electronic rights to it.
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6/11/2015 12:47:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/11/2015 12:45:58 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 12:45:22 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/10/2015 4:54:24 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Did you have to pay to publish it?

Negative. There's a royalty system: I get 70% of the "net" profit from the book. They ding a work based on its size in terms of "delivery cost", so in my case it's around a nickel that's taken off the top, then they split the rest 70/30.

So you could just publish anything you want?

Within the bounds of their TOS, yes. They occasionally yank stuff if they really find it objectionable. But generally speaking, yeah, it functions essentially as a vanity press. I've always been against vanity presses, but in the age of the e-book, I've convinced myself it's at least slightly different.
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6/11/2015 12:49:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/11/2015 8:50:37 AM, lannan13 wrote:

If you have Kindle Unlimited, it's part of the free book catalog, so that would be an easy way (and I'd get royalties if you read past a certain point).

Otherwise, shoot me a PM an a while and I'll let you know if I found a good way.
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6/11/2015 12:51:02 PM
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At 6/11/2015 12:47:45 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 12:45:58 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 12:45:22 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/10/2015 4:54:24 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:19:39 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Howdy folks.

So, awhile back I asked for some help with my Kindle Scout campaign. I appreciate everybody who did help, and the patience of those who didn't. If anybody wants to know how that process went, well:

http://www.eddie-west.com...

Short answer: Did not get picked.

That said, I decided I'd use their "Kindle Direct Publishing" venue anyway. So, if anybody maybe was interested in the collection of short stories I wrote:

http://www.amazon.com...

Feedback is appreciated from anybody who does wind up reading the darn thing.

Did you have to pay to publish it?

Negative. There's a royalty system: I get 70% of the "net" profit from the book. They ding a work based on its size in terms of "delivery cost", so in my case it's around a nickel that's taken off the top, then they split the rest 70/30.

So you could just publish anything you want?

Within the bounds of their TOS, yes. They occasionally yank stuff if they really find it objectionable. But generally speaking, yeah, it functions essentially as a vanity press. I've always been against vanity presses, but in the age of the e-book, I've convinced myself it's at least slightly different.

What do you mean that they pick "bad books"?
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6/11/2015 12:58:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/11/2015 12:51:02 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

So you could just publish anything you want?

Within the bounds of their TOS, yes. They occasionally yank stuff if they really find it objectionable. But generally speaking, yeah, it functions essentially as a vanity press. I've always been against vanity presses, but in the age of the e-book, I've convinced myself it's at least slightly different.

What do you mean that they pick "bad books"?

In what sense? I used "bad books" in the blog post about Kindle Scout, but that was a clickable link that should make it clearer...or were you equating "objectionable" in my reply with "bad"?

In case it wasn't clear from my OP:

Kindle Scout is a contest sort of program. If picked under that program, Amazon becomes your publisher. You get an advance, you get free marketing, you get to be one of their "Scout picks".

I did not get picked for that.

Amazon also has "Kindle Direct Publishing", which functions essentially as a vanity press. The main difference is that with a traditional vanity press, you're paying for X number of books to be published, so you're out of pocket a bunch of money--after that, the books are yours to do with as you want. Here, they take a cut of any sold if any are sold.

The main difference is the lack of gatekeepers. So I don't quite count this as "being published", because I wasn't chosen by an editor, I just uploaded it. My dream is, ultimately, to BE good enough to have get "really published". I uploaded this in hopes that maybe I could get at least a few folks to read it and it might be good for the resume when I submit again to somewhere.
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6/11/2015 1:01:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/11/2015 12:58:21 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 12:51:02 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

So you could just publish anything you want?

Within the bounds of their TOS, yes. They occasionally yank stuff if they really find it objectionable. But generally speaking, yeah, it functions essentially as a vanity press. I've always been against vanity presses, but in the age of the e-book, I've convinced myself it's at least slightly different.

What do you mean that they pick "bad books"?

In what sense? I used "bad books" in the blog post about Kindle Scout, but that was a clickable link that should make it clearer...or were you equating "objectionable" in my reply with "bad"?

In case it wasn't clear from my OP:

Kindle Scout is a contest sort of program. If picked under that program, Amazon becomes your publisher. You get an advance, you get free marketing, you get to be one of their "Scout picks".

I did not get picked for that.

Amazon also has "Kindle Direct Publishing", which functions essentially as a vanity press. The main difference is that with a traditional vanity press, you're paying for X number of books to be published, so you're out of pocket a bunch of money--after that, the books are yours to do with as you want. Here, they take a cut of any sold if any are sold.

The main difference is the lack of gatekeepers. So I don't quite count this as "being published", because I wasn't chosen by an editor, I just uploaded it. My dream is, ultimately, to BE good enough to have get "really published". I uploaded this in hopes that maybe I could get at least a few folks to read it and it might be good for the resume when I submit again to somewhere.

So you don't expect to actually make money off of this?
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6/11/2015 1:09:56 PM
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At 6/11/2015 1:01:10 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 12:58:21 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 12:51:02 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

So you could just publish anything you want?

Within the bounds of their TOS, yes. They occasionally yank stuff if they really find it objectionable. But generally speaking, yeah, it functions essentially as a vanity press. I've always been against vanity presses, but in the age of the e-book, I've convinced myself it's at least slightly different.

What do you mean that they pick "bad books"?

In what sense? I used "bad books" in the blog post about Kindle Scout, but that was a clickable link that should make it clearer...or were you equating "objectionable" in my reply with "bad"?

In case it wasn't clear from my OP:

Kindle Scout is a contest sort of program. If picked under that program, Amazon becomes your publisher. You get an advance, you get free marketing, you get to be one of their "Scout picks".

I did not get picked for that.

Amazon also has "Kindle Direct Publishing", which functions essentially as a vanity press. The main difference is that with a traditional vanity press, you're paying for X number of books to be published, so you're out of pocket a bunch of money--after that, the books are yours to do with as you want. Here, they take a cut of any sold if any are sold.

The main difference is the lack of gatekeepers. So I don't quite count this as "being published", because I wasn't chosen by an editor, I just uploaded it. My dream is, ultimately, to BE good enough to have get "really published". I uploaded this in hopes that maybe I could get at least a few folks to read it and it might be good for the resume when I submit again to somewhere.

So you don't expect to actually make money off of this?

Well, obviously, I'd love to. That said, there's a bajillion kindle direct books out there. I've made 3 sales total so far. Without the oomph of being published by a recognized publisher, I know that getting a lot of sales is unlikely and have accepted that.

IIRC, both the Wool series and The Martian (which is getting a Matt Damon movie) started out as Kindle Directs, then got picked up by "real" publishers for print copies when they became hits.
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6/11/2015 1:11:06 PM
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At 6/11/2015 1:09:56 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:01:10 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 12:58:21 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 12:51:02 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

So you could just publish anything you want?

Within the bounds of their TOS, yes. They occasionally yank stuff if they really find it objectionable. But generally speaking, yeah, it functions essentially as a vanity press. I've always been against vanity presses, but in the age of the e-book, I've convinced myself it's at least slightly different.

What do you mean that they pick "bad books"?

In what sense? I used "bad books" in the blog post about Kindle Scout, but that was a clickable link that should make it clearer...or were you equating "objectionable" in my reply with "bad"?

In case it wasn't clear from my OP:

Kindle Scout is a contest sort of program. If picked under that program, Amazon becomes your publisher. You get an advance, you get free marketing, you get to be one of their "Scout picks".

I did not get picked for that.

Amazon also has "Kindle Direct Publishing", which functions essentially as a vanity press. The main difference is that with a traditional vanity press, you're paying for X number of books to be published, so you're out of pocket a bunch of money--after that, the books are yours to do with as you want. Here, they take a cut of any sold if any are sold.

The main difference is the lack of gatekeepers. So I don't quite count this as "being published", because I wasn't chosen by an editor, I just uploaded it. My dream is, ultimately, to BE good enough to have get "really published". I uploaded this in hopes that maybe I could get at least a few folks to read it and it might be good for the resume when I submit again to somewhere.

So you don't expect to actually make money off of this?

Well, obviously, I'd love to. That said, there's a bajillion kindle direct books out there. I've made 3 sales total so far. Without the oomph of being published by a recognized publisher, I know that getting a lot of sales is unlikely and have accepted that.

IIRC, both the Wool series and The Martian (which is getting a Matt Damon movie) started out as Kindle Directs, then got picked up by "real" publishers for print copies when they became hits.

Why not just do that then? Turn your Kindle copies into "real" ones?
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6/11/2015 1:15:06 PM
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At 6/11/2015 1:11:06 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

Why not just do that then? Turn your Kindle copies into "real" ones?

I don't know what you mean...are you asking why I don't get it printed via tradtional vanity press and have physical copies? It's expensive, and they're called vanity presses for a reason. If I sold a bunch, a "real" publisher would pick it up to publish it, and then it wouldn't be me choosing to publish it. The Kindle Direct route lets me try to get some of my work out there, and maybe get at least a couple bucks for it, without an outlay. And if my stuff DOES become popular, then a traditional "real" publisher can swoop in.
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6/11/2015 1:16:38 PM
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At 6/11/2015 1:15:06 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:11:06 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

Why not just do that then? Turn your Kindle copies into "real" ones?

I don't know what you mean...are you asking why I don't get it printed via tradtional vanity press and have physical copies? It's expensive, and they're called vanity presses for a reason. If I sold a bunch, a "real" publisher would pick it up to publish it, and then it wouldn't be me choosing to publish it. The Kindle Direct route lets me try to get some of my work out there, and maybe get at least a couple bucks for it, without an outlay. And if my stuff DOES become popular, then a traditional "real" publisher can swoop in.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant with a traditional publisher "swooping in". Do you have any hopes of that happening with one of your works?
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6/11/2015 1:24:47 PM
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At 6/11/2015 1:16:38 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:15:06 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:11:06 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

Why not just do that then? Turn your Kindle copies into "real" ones?

I don't know what you mean...are you asking why I don't get it printed via tradtional vanity press and have physical copies? It's expensive, and they're called vanity presses for a reason. If I sold a bunch, a "real" publisher would pick it up to publish it, and then it wouldn't be me choosing to publish it. The Kindle Direct route lets me try to get some of my work out there, and maybe get at least a couple bucks for it, without an outlay. And if my stuff DOES become popular, then a traditional "real" publisher can swoop in.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant with a traditional publisher "swooping in". Do you have any hopes of that happening with one of your works?

Definitely. Right now, that collection is the only thing I've got ready for publication. I'm working on a couple novel ideas, and when I finish one I'll probably Kindle Direct it, too--but it won't stop me from trying to get on with a publisher and/or agent.

The thing is, without an "in", it's difficult to get published. If you look it up, you can see that even books that went on to become amazing best-sellers go through a lot of rejection, which translates into years of laying fallow. (http://www.theguardian.com...) You go to the "slush pile" in wherever you've submitted to, and you have to wait months. They may not even read it, and if they do, they may only read like a page because they have 500 others. Publishing with KDP lets me get my work in front of folks, and lets me (theoretically) prove that people want to buy it.
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6/11/2015 1:27:44 PM
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At 6/11/2015 1:24:47 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:16:38 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:15:06 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:11:06 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

Why not just do that then? Turn your Kindle copies into "real" ones?

I don't know what you mean...are you asking why I don't get it printed via tradtional vanity press and have physical copies? It's expensive, and they're called vanity presses for a reason. If I sold a bunch, a "real" publisher would pick it up to publish it, and then it wouldn't be me choosing to publish it. The Kindle Direct route lets me try to get some of my work out there, and maybe get at least a couple bucks for it, without an outlay. And if my stuff DOES become popular, then a traditional "real" publisher can swoop in.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant with a traditional publisher "swooping in". Do you have any hopes of that happening with one of your works?

Definitely. Right now, that collection is the only thing I've got ready for publication. I'm working on a couple novel ideas, and when I finish one I'll probably Kindle Direct it, too--but it won't stop me from trying to get on with a publisher and/or agent.

The thing is, without an "in", it's difficult to get published. If you look it up, you can see that even books that went on to become amazing best-sellers go through a lot of rejection, which translates into years of laying fallow. (http://www.theguardian.com...) You go to the "slush pile" in wherever you've submitted to, and you have to wait months. They may not even read it, and if they do, they may only read like a page because they have 500 others. Publishing with KDP lets me get my work in front of folks, and lets me (theoretically) prove that people want to buy it.

Okay, so how did 50 Shades of Grey become a best seller (and a movie) if it's so terrible (bad writing and atrocious plot and concept)?
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6/11/2015 1:29:06 PM
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Incidentally, if anyone tries to login or comment on that blog I started, let me know if you have problems or anything. I haven't done a lot of testing--everything SEEMS to work fine...
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6/11/2015 1:36:27 PM
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At 6/11/2015 1:27:44 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:24:47 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:16:38 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:15:06 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:11:06 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

Why not just do that then? Turn your Kindle copies into "real" ones?

I don't know what you mean...are you asking why I don't get it printed via tradtional vanity press and have physical copies? It's expensive, and they're called vanity presses for a reason. If I sold a bunch, a "real" publisher would pick it up to publish it, and then it wouldn't be me choosing to publish it. The Kindle Direct route lets me try to get some of my work out there, and maybe get at least a couple bucks for it, without an outlay. And if my stuff DOES become popular, then a traditional "real" publisher can swoop in.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant with a traditional publisher "swooping in". Do you have any hopes of that happening with one of your works?

Definitely. Right now, that collection is the only thing I've got ready for publication. I'm working on a couple novel ideas, and when I finish one I'll probably Kindle Direct it, too--but it won't stop me from trying to get on with a publisher and/or agent.

The thing is, without an "in", it's difficult to get published. If you look it up, you can see that even books that went on to become amazing best-sellers go through a lot of rejection, which translates into years of laying fallow. (http://www.theguardian.com...) You go to the "slush pile" in wherever you've submitted to, and you have to wait months. They may not even read it, and if they do, they may only read like a page because they have 500 others. Publishing with KDP lets me get my work in front of folks, and lets me (theoretically) prove that people want to buy it.

Okay, so how did 50 Shades of Grey become a best seller (and a movie) if it's so terrible (bad writing and atrocious plot and concept)?

Well, 50 shades started out as Twilight fan fiction. It got a following through Twilight fanfiction sites, and the author started a website and posted more stuff, then turned it into its own piece with name/detail changes. She built up an audience, then started self-publishing it with a non-Amazon vanity press that did print-on-demand and ebooks. Papers have been written on what sort of cultural vein it tapped into.

That's part of why I started the website I linked to in the OP. I'll probably post some short stories there, too, as time goes on, though right now I've got a few ranty blog posts. I'm hoping to slowly start building traffic. I definitely don't have illusions I'm tapping into the same kind of thing that Twilight or 50 Shades did. Not that I'm above that--if I thought I could pull it off I'd do it in a HEARTBEAT. I'm not proud.
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6/11/2015 1:37:36 PM
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At 6/11/2015 1:36:27 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:27:44 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:24:47 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:16:38 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:15:06 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/11/2015 1:11:06 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

Why not just do that then? Turn your Kindle copies into "real" ones?

I don't know what you mean...are you asking why I don't get it printed via tradtional vanity press and have physical copies? It's expensive, and they're called vanity presses for a reason. If I sold a bunch, a "real" publisher would pick it up to publish it, and then it wouldn't be me choosing to publish it. The Kindle Direct route lets me try to get some of my work out there, and maybe get at least a couple bucks for it, without an outlay. And if my stuff DOES become popular, then a traditional "real" publisher can swoop in.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant with a traditional publisher "swooping in". Do you have any hopes of that happening with one of your works?

Definitely. Right now, that collection is the only thing I've got ready for publication. I'm working on a couple novel ideas, and when I finish one I'll probably Kindle Direct it, too--but it won't stop me from trying to get on with a publisher and/or agent.

The thing is, without an "in", it's difficult to get published. If you look it up, you can see that even books that went on to become amazing best-sellers go through a lot of rejection, which translates into years of laying fallow. (http://www.theguardian.com...) You go to the "slush pile" in wherever you've submitted to, and you have to wait months. They may not even read it, and if they do, they may only read like a page because they have 500 others. Publishing with KDP lets me get my work in front of folks, and lets me (theoretically) prove that people want to buy it.

Okay, so how did 50 Shades of Grey become a best seller (and a movie) if it's so terrible (bad writing and atrocious plot and concept)?

Well, 50 shades started out as Twilight fan fiction. It got a following through Twilight fanfiction sites, and the author started a website and posted more stuff, then turned it into its own piece with name/detail changes. She built up an audience, then started self-publishing it with a non-Amazon vanity press that did print-on-demand and ebooks. Papers have been written on what sort of cultural vein it tapped into.

That's part of why I started the website I linked to in the OP. I'll probably post some short stories there, too, as time goes on, though right now I've got a few ranty blog posts. I'm hoping to slowly start building traffic. I definitely don't have illusions I'm tapping into the same kind of thing that Twilight or 50 Shades did. Not that I'm above that--if I thought I could pull it off I'd do it in a HEARTBEAT. I'm not proud.

Lol...
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