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6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I recently posted that I have become an atheist. Many have asked me why or how this change occurred for me. In response to these and other like-minded questions I thought I would share with whomever is interested my path to atheism.

A Brief background:

I was raised a very active member of the LDS Church. (Mormon) My family is still very active, my father is in a stake presidency. I have served in leadership roles in the church. I served a 2 year mission in west Texas spreading the gospel as I understood it. I was married in an LDS temple. I am reasonable well versed in the Bible.

What I believed:

Text: The LDS Faith has four books that make up canonized scripture. Bible, (King James Version) Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

My beliefs about God:

I believed in a Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent God. I believed such a God to be very personal. A father to "us" his children. I prayed multiple times daily about anything and everything. I believed that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. That he "atoned" for my sins. That through him I could return to live with my father in heaven. I believed that I knew this by the Holy Spirit which manifest truth through my thoughts and feelings.

My Issues:

I will briefly outline issues I have" I am willing to talk about any of these in depth via personal message or perhaps in a debate.

1) Faith is inherently irrational

I am bothered by the concept that if I doubt I am questioning God or blaspheming. There is no rational way to contend with a religious concept that requires "faith."

2) Literalism

I have long sense stopped believing in scripture as literal or historical. But to do so seems to undermine the entire concept. If I don't believe the bible to be literal what reason do I have to believe Christ's suffering brings salvation.

3) The atonement itself

How can Justice be satisfied by the suffering of someone innocent? Even if I grant the story true, the idea that an innocent sacrifice had to be made on my behalf to save me from "sin" seems odd and immoral. Not only do I doubt the atonement happened... I am no longer sure I want it to be true.

4) God

If such a God exists that I was taught to believe in, why do so many receive different answers to prayers? Why ask a species that has the capability to act and think rationally to rely on faith rather than reason? Why not have clear evidence? Why have us "walk by faith and not by site?"

5) Revelation

How is it that I could have thoughts and feelings affirming my faith, but so do many others about their faith which contradicts my own? Of course people feel strongly about the Bible, or whatever scripture they were brought up to believe in. I spent 2 years doing nothing but studying the Bible and teaching from it. Do that with anything for two years and you will no doubt have strong feelings about it. There are to many conflicting issues with personal revelation.

Conclusion

I kinda threw these issues together, I would be happy to expand on them if someone askes but for the most part this is why I am no longer a theist.

The more I learn in life the more I know I don't know... I used to say "I know God lives" slowly that became "I believe God lives" then "I hope he lives" finally "if he does, I don't know him..." I am not actively opposed to religion or the church just have lost my faith. I don't see the reason(logic) in it. I don't see evidence. I don't actively disbelieve I just don't see reason to believe other than wishing it were true. That"s not enough for me.
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6/25/2015 12:07:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
I recently posted that I have become an atheist. Many have asked me why or how this change occurred for me. In response to these and other like-minded questions I thought I would share with whomever is interested my path to atheism.

A Brief background:

I was raised a very active member of the LDS Church. (Mormon) My family is still very active, my father is in a stake presidency. I have served in leadership roles in the church. I served a 2 year mission in west Texas spreading the gospel as I understood it. I was married in an LDS temple. I am reasonable well versed in the Bible.

What I believed:

Text: The LDS Faith has four books that make up canonized scripture. Bible, (King James Version) Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

My beliefs about God:

I believed in a Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent God. I believed such a God to be very personal. A father to "us" his children. I prayed multiple times daily about anything and everything. I believed that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. That he "atoned" for my sins. That through him I could return to live with my father in heaven. I believed that I knew this by the Holy Spirit which manifest truth through my thoughts and feelings.

My Issues:

I will briefly outline issues I have" I am willing to talk about any of these in depth via personal message or perhaps in a debate.

1) Faith is inherently irrational

I am bothered by the concept that if I doubt I am questioning God or blaspheming. There is no rational way to contend with a religious concept that requires "faith."

2) Literalism

I have long sense stopped believing in scripture as literal or historical. But to do so seems to undermine the entire concept. If I don't believe the bible to be literal what reason do I have to believe Christ's suffering brings salvation.

3) The atonement itself

How can Justice be satisfied by the suffering of someone innocent? Even if I grant the story true, the idea that an innocent sacrifice had to be made on my behalf to save me from "sin" seems odd and immoral. Not only do I doubt the atonement happened... I am no longer sure I want it to be true.

4) God

If such a God exists that I was taught to believe in, why do so many receive different answers to prayers? Why ask a species that has the capability to act and think rationally to rely on faith rather than reason? Why not have clear evidence? Why have us "walk by faith and not by site?"

5) Revelation

How is it that I could have thoughts and feelings affirming my faith, but so do many others about their faith which contradicts my own? Of course people feel strongly about the Bible, or whatever scripture they were brought up to believe in. I spent 2 years doing nothing but studying the Bible and teaching from it. Do that with anything for two years and you will no doubt have strong feelings about it. There are to many conflicting issues with personal revelation.

Conclusion

I kinda threw these issues together, I would be happy to expand on them if someone askes but for the most part this is why I am no longer a theist.

The more I learn in life the more I know I don't know... I used to say "I know God lives" slowly that became "I believe God lives" then "I hope he lives" finally "if he does, I don't know him..." I am not actively opposed to religion or the church just have lost my faith. I don't see the reason(logic) in it. I don't see evidence. I don't actively disbelieve I just don't see reason to believe other than wishing it were true. That"s not enough for me.

Do you mind if I ask what your families reaction was to this, including your wife?
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6/25/2015 12:09:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Do you mind if I ask what your families reaction was to this, including your wife?

My Wife seems to have taken it alright. She has her own doubts. My brother also has been supportive. I have not told my family otherwise. Both my family and her family are very religious. So that is going to be an interesting issue.
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6/25/2015 12:30:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
I recently posted that I have become an atheist. Many have asked me why or how this change occurred for me. In response to these and other like-minded questions I thought I would share with whomever is interested my path to atheism.

A Brief background:

I was raised a very active member of the LDS Church. (Mormon) My family is still very active, my father is in a stake presidency. I have served in leadership roles in the church. I served a 2 year mission in west Texas spreading the gospel as I understood it. I was married in an LDS temple. I am reasonable well versed in the Bible.

What I believed:

Text: The LDS Faith has four books that make up canonized scripture. Bible, (King James Version) Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

My beliefs about God:

I believed in a Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent God. I believed such a God to be very personal. A father to "us" his children. I prayed multiple times daily about anything and everything. I believed that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. That he "atoned" for my sins. That through him I could return to live with my father in heaven. I believed that I knew this by the Holy Spirit which manifest truth through my thoughts and feelings.

My Issues:

I will briefly outline issues I have" I am willing to talk about any of these in depth via personal message or perhaps in a debate.

1) Faith is inherently irrational

I am bothered by the concept that if I doubt I am questioning God or blaspheming. There is no rational way to contend with a religious concept that requires "faith."

2) Literalism

I have long sense stopped believing in scripture as literal or historical. But to do so seems to undermine the entire concept. If I don't believe the bible to be literal what reason do I have to believe Christ's suffering brings salvation.

3) The atonement itself

How can Justice be satisfied by the suffering of someone innocent? Even if I grant the story true, the idea that an innocent sacrifice had to be made on my behalf to save me from "sin" seems odd and immoral. Not only do I doubt the atonement happened... I am no longer sure I want it to be true.

4) God

If such a God exists that I was taught to believe in, why do so many receive different answers to prayers? Why ask a species that has the capability to act and think rationally to rely on faith rather than reason? Why not have clear evidence? Why have us "walk by faith and not by site?"

5) Revelation

How is it that I could have thoughts and feelings affirming my faith, but so do many others about their faith which contradicts my own? Of course people feel strongly about the Bible, or whatever scripture they were brought up to believe in. I spent 2 years doing nothing but studying the Bible and teaching from it. Do that with anything for two years and you will no doubt have strong feelings about it. There are to many conflicting issues with personal revelation.

Conclusion

I kinda threw these issues together, I would be happy to expand on them if someone askes but for the most part this is why I am no longer a theist.

The more I learn in life the more I know I don't know... I used to say "I know God lives" slowly that became "I believe God lives" then "I hope he lives" finally "if he does, I don't know him..." I am not actively opposed to religion or the church just have lost my faith. I don't see the reason(logic) in it. I don't see evidence. I don't actively disbelieve I just don't see reason to believe other than wishing it were true. That"s not enough for me.

Whatever it may be, I hope you are lead to a life of true happiness and comfort. If you ever end up reconsidering Christianity from a rational view, I would reccomend the book Aquinas, A Beginner's Guide by Edward Feser.
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6/25/2015 1:57:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Whatever it may be, I hope you are lead to a life of true happiness and comfort.

Thank you.
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6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.
You can call me Mark if you like.
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6/25/2015 6:15:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.

What made you think that?
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6/25/2015 6:16:02 PM
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At 6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.

Another problem I had with Christianity, besides the ones you gave, had to do with the implications of determinism on what it says in the Bible.

The Bible claims that God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, to my knowledge. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, this information, when applied to the Bible, creates a contradiction between it and the Bible's claim that God gave humans free will. Can humans really be blamed for their "sinful" natures when God, fully understanding of the universe, created the universe in such a way that humans had those sinful natures?
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6/25/2015 6:16:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 6:15:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.

What made you think that?

Your rationality.
You can call me Mark if you like.
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6/25/2015 6:17:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 6:16:24 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:15:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.

What made you think that?

Your rationality.

I appreciate that. Thanks
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6/25/2015 6:18:03 PM
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At 6/25/2015 6:17:14 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:16:24 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:15:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.

What made you think that?

Your rationality.

I appreciate that. Thanks

Welcome
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6/25/2015 6:34:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
I recently posted that I have become an atheist. Many have asked me why or how this change occurred for me. In response to these and other like-minded questions I thought I would share with whomever is interested my path to atheism.

A Brief background:

I was raised a very active member of the LDS Church. (Mormon) My family is still very active, my father is in a stake presidency. I have served in leadership roles in the church. I served a 2 year mission in west Texas spreading the gospel as I understood it. I was married in an LDS temple. I am reasonable well versed in the Bible.

What I believed:

Text: The LDS Faith has four books that make up canonized scripture. Bible, (King James Version) Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

My beliefs about God:

I believed in a Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent God. I believed such a God to be very personal. A father to "us" his children. I prayed multiple times daily about anything and everything. I believed that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. That he "atoned" for my sins. That through him I could return to live with my father in heaven. I believed that I knew this by the Holy Spirit which manifest truth through my thoughts and feelings.

My Issues:

I will briefly outline issues I have" I am willing to talk about any of these in depth via personal message or perhaps in a debate.

1) Faith is inherently irrational

I am bothered by the concept that if I doubt I am questioning God or blaspheming. There is no rational way to contend with a religious concept that requires "faith."

2) Literalism

I have long sense stopped believing in scripture as literal or historical. But to do so seems to undermine the entire concept. If I don't believe the bible to be literal what reason do I have to believe Christ's suffering brings salvation.

3) The atonement itself

How can Justice be satisfied by the suffering of someone innocent? Even if I grant the story true, the idea that an innocent sacrifice had to be made on my behalf to save me from "sin" seems odd and immoral. Not only do I doubt the atonement happened... I am no longer sure I want it to be true.

4) God

If such a God exists that I was taught to believe in, why do so many receive different answers to prayers? Why ask a species that has the capability to act and think rationally to rely on faith rather than reason? Why not have clear evidence? Why have us "walk by faith and not by site?"

5) Revelation

How is it that I could have thoughts and feelings affirming my faith, but so do many others about their faith which contradicts my own? Of course people feel strongly about the Bible, or whatever scripture they were brought up to believe in. I spent 2 years doing nothing but studying the Bible and teaching from it. Do that with anything for two years and you will no doubt have strong feelings about it. There are to many conflicting issues with personal revelation.

Conclusion

I kinda threw these issues together, I would be happy to expand on them if someone askes but for the most part this is why I am no longer a theist.

The more I learn in life the more I know I don't know... I used to say "I know God lives" slowly that became "I believe God lives" then "I hope he lives" finally "if he does, I don't know him..." I am not actively opposed to religion or the church just have lost my faith. I don't see the reason(logic) in it. I don't see evidence. I don't actively disbelieve I just don't see reason to believe other than wishing it were true. That"s not enough for me.

What degree of Atheist are you? (Agnostic,Gnostic,Anti-theist etc)
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6/26/2015 10:03:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
What degree of Atheist are you? (Agnostic,Gnostic,Anti-theist etc)

Well, as I stated in the OP... I don't actively disbelieve I just don't see reason to believe other than wishing it were true. That's not enough for me.
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6/26/2015 10:46:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 6:16:24 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:15:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.

What made you think that?

Your rationality.

What is that supposed to mean?
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6/26/2015 10:49:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
I recently posted that I have become an atheist. Many have asked me why or how this change occurred for me. In response to these and other like-minded questions I thought I would share with whomever is interested my path to atheism.

A Brief background:

I was raised a very active member of the LDS Church. (Mormon) My family is still very active, my father is in a stake presidency. I have served in leadership roles in the church. I served a 2 year mission in west Texas spreading the gospel as I understood it. I was married in an LDS temple. I am reasonable well versed in the Bible.

What I believed:

Text: The LDS Faith has four books that make up canonized scripture. Bible, (King James Version) Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

My beliefs about God:

I believed in a Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent God. I believed such a God to be very personal. A father to "us" his children. I prayed multiple times daily about anything and everything. I believed that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. That he "atoned" for my sins. That through him I could return to live with my father in heaven. I believed that I knew this by the Holy Spirit which manifest truth through my thoughts and feelings.

My Issues:

I will briefly outline issues I have" I am willing to talk about any of these in depth via personal message or perhaps in a debate.

1) Faith is inherently irrational

I am bothered by the concept that if I doubt I am questioning God or blaspheming. There is no rational way to contend with a religious concept that requires "faith."

2) Literalism

I have long sense stopped believing in scripture as literal or historical. But to do so seems to undermine the entire concept. If I don't believe the bible to be literal what reason do I have to believe Christ's suffering brings salvation.

3) The atonement itself

How can Justice be satisfied by the suffering of someone innocent? Even if I grant the story true, the idea that an innocent sacrifice had to be made on my behalf to save me from "sin" seems odd and immoral. Not only do I doubt the atonement happened... I am no longer sure I want it to be true.

4) God

If such a God exists that I was taught to believe in, why do so many receive different answers to prayers? Why ask a species that has the capability to act and think rationally to rely on faith rather than reason? Why not have clear evidence? Why have us "walk by faith and not by site?"

5) Revelation

How is it that I could have thoughts and feelings affirming my faith, but so do many others about their faith which contradicts my own? Of course people feel strongly about the Bible, or whatever scripture they were brought up to believe in. I spent 2 years doing nothing but studying the Bible and teaching from it. Do that with anything for two years and you will no doubt have strong feelings about it. There are to many conflicting issues with personal revelation.

Conclusion

I kinda threw these issues together, I would be happy to expand on them if someone askes but for the most part this is why I am no longer a theist.

The more I learn in life the more I know I don't know... I used to say "I know God lives" slowly that became "I believe God lives" then "I hope he lives" finally "if he does, I don't know him..." I am not actively opposed to religion or the church just have lost my faith. I don't see the reason(logic) in it. I don't see evidence. I don't actively disbelieve I just don't see reason to believe other than wishing it were true. That"s not enough for me.

I'm having the same doubts right now along with the issue of time. This post is really shaking my faith.
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6/26/2015 11:26:07 AM
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Congratulations kasmic. Not for coming to a position with which I agree--though don't get me wrong, of course I think you're more right now in direct proportion to how much you agree with me--but for questioning your beliefs critically and being willing to change them when you realize an inconsistency. That's an important thing.
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6/26/2015 11:36:12 AM
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At 6/26/2015 10:46:58 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:16:24 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:15:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.

What made you think that?

Your rationality.

What is that supposed to mean?

That doesn't need to be asked as a question.
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6/26/2015 11:36:24 AM
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At 6/26/2015 11:26:07 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Congratulations kasmic. Not for coming to a position with which I agree--though don't get me wrong, of course I think you're more right now in direct proportion to how much you agree with me--but for questioning your beliefs critically and being willing to change them when you realize an inconsistency. That's an important thing.

Thanks
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6/26/2015 11:48:21 AM
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What is that supposed to mean?

Not to speak for him, but I understood this as he viewed me as someone able to reason through things.
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6/26/2015 11:58:13 AM
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At 6/26/2015 11:48:21 AM, kasmic wrote:
What is that supposed to mean?

Not to speak for him, but I understood this as he viewed me as someone able to reason through things.

So Christians are irrational?
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Nerd 1: "Why can't you trust atoms?"
Nerd 2: : "Cause they make everything up!"
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6/26/2015 11:59:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 11:58:13 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
At 6/26/2015 11:48:21 AM, kasmic wrote:
What is that supposed to mean?

Not to speak for him, but I understood this as he viewed me as someone able to reason through things.

So Christians are irrational?

I suppose that is implied, though he is saying that while I did believe he thought I was rational. Though he is crediting that to my DE conversion.
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6/26/2015 11:59:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 11:58:13 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
At 6/26/2015 11:48:21 AM, kasmic wrote:
What is that supposed to mean?

Not to speak for him, but I understood this as he viewed me as someone able to reason through things.

So Christians are irrational?

Not exclusively Christians per se... Faith in general.
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6/26/2015 12:02:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 10:49:04 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:

This post is really shaking my faith.

Really? I could probably debate any of these.
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6/26/2015 12:17:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 12:02:21 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/26/2015 10:49:04 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:

This post is really shaking my faith.

Really? I could probably debate any of these.

But can you debate the fact that God let an intelligent man lose faith in him.
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Nerd 1: "Why can't you trust atoms?"
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6/26/2015 12:19:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 12:17:09 PM, ClashnBoom wrote:
At 6/26/2015 12:02:21 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/26/2015 10:49:04 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:

This post is really shaking my faith.

Really? I could probably debate any of these.

But can you debate the fact that God let an intelligent man lose faith in him.

Yes, that is called agency and the freedom to believe as you wish.
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6/26/2015 12:20:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 11:59:46 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/26/2015 11:58:13 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
At 6/26/2015 11:48:21 AM, kasmic wrote:
What is that supposed to mean?

Not to speak for him, but I understood this as he viewed me as someone able to reason through things.

So Christians are irrational?

Not exclusively Christians per se... Faith in general.

Faith or religion?
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Clumsy alien Jar Jar Binks was introduced in The Phantom Menace for comic relief, but he was initially a two-faced mercenary who was to betray Qui-Gon Jinn, a Jedi Master played by Liam Neeson.

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Nerd 1: "Why can't you trust atoms?"
Nerd 2: : "Cause they make everything up!"
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6/26/2015 12:25:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 12:20:00 PM, ClashnBoom wrote:
At 6/26/2015 11:59:46 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/26/2015 11:58:13 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
At 6/26/2015 11:48:21 AM, kasmic wrote:
What is that supposed to mean?

Not to speak for him, but I understood this as he viewed me as someone able to reason through things.

So Christians are irrational?

Not exclusively Christians per se... Faith in general.

Faith or religion?

Is there a religion that does not require faith?
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6/26/2015 2:02:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Atheism can be hard, especially with religious family. I wish you well and hope your new worldview only enhances your experience of life.
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6/26/2015 3:11:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 10:46:58 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:16:24 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:15:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.

What made you think that?

Your rationality.

What is that supposed to mean?

Eh.... meaning he's good at thinking. Implying that belief in gods in irrational.
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6/26/2015 3:12:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/26/2015 3:11:29 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/26/2015 10:46:58 AM, ClashnBoom wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:16:24 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:15:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/25/2015 6:11:54 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 6/25/2015 11:54:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
Congrats, kasmic. I figured you would become one eventually.

What made you think that?

Your rationality.

What is that supposed to mean?

Eh.... meaning he's good at thinking. Implying that belief in gods in irrational.

*is irrational. Excuse me for that error in typing.
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