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8/2/2015 7:38:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Okay, I've got to write this. I've been on my 1226th post for a while, and I promised Tej I'd do something for my 1227th post, so I'm going to do it here.

Before I start, allow me to explain why I was away last week. (This is irrelevant to the topic at hand, so feel free to skip this part and jump straight to the text below the three asterisks. Or TL;DR the whole post - I won't mind, lol.)

I've graduated this year, and my economics teacher asked me to return to school to assist him in teaching students who are still preparing for the HKDSE (our standardised test which determines university admission). I've always helped out my friends with economics, though this time it's a tad different: for the greater part of the summer course, I'm not answering questions about individual econ concepts, nor am I offering explanations for individual questions. Instead, I am to explain the questions in the exam paper they did in June, and to make sure they understand what was being tested.

Also, unlike my friends, the schoolmates I taught aren't all enthusiastic about learning. Some had zero motivation. There was one girl who almost never responded when I asked her questions, and was never patient enough to listen to what I say. Some of them were actually pretty smart - they just never pay attention in class or study at home. I mentioned the balance of payments to a boy once, and he gave me a blank look on his face. Surprisingly, that boy and his friend actually took in knowledge very quickly, and were able to explain the concepts in their own words fairly easily. Then there was one girl who was very motivated and enthusiastic about learning. She decided to take the seat next to me, and constantly asked me micro questions, especially regarding government intervention and market efficiency. She took in everything, even intricacies like the difference between producer surplus and profit - unlike the girl I mentioned above, who didn't even care about the difference between fiscal surpluses and surplus budgets (which isn't even difficult in the slightest...) It's great to teach her in the afternoon, especially if I had just taught the girl with zero motivation in the morning...

***

So, why am I writing an essay for my 1227th post? This is actually two questions rolled into one - why I'm writing an essay and not doing an AMA or shoutout, and why I'm doing this on the 1227th milestone - and I reserve the right to keep it ambiguous because prosodic features (in this case, stress) do not show up in writing. In any case, I'll address both issues, one by one. I don't really want to do an AMA. I don't really want a personal AMA, and a linguistics/Confucianism/whatever AMA seems not to be really suited for a milestone thread. I've considered an AMA where you can only ask me about my beliefs, but I've decided that isn't very special either - heck, discussing each others' beliefs is something we do in the forums all the time. I could also to a shoutout, but the thing about shoutouts is that you're definitely going to miss out some people, which I don't really want. As for why I'm doing it for my 1227th post rather than my 1000th, well, obviously, it's because I want to be special and different... Okay, okay, it's also because I didn't know what to do when I was on my 1000th, and you can guess the relative strengths of the two reasons, haha.

What I wanted to do in this essay is to reflect on the impacts that DDO has had on me. I consider DDO one of the sites where I'm 'officially' a regular. There are four of these sites, as well as sites where I used to be a regular for months (or even years) before disappearing into inactivity. DDO is easily the site where I've spent the least time. It wasn't until the past year-or-so that I've used the site more than minimally. However, the impact that DDO has had on me during this time has been profound. Contrary to oft-repeated claims to the contrary, I still believe DDO is full of intelligent people willing to engage in intellectual conversation. DDO regulars tend to be more rational and informed than most people, who either remain apathetic to social, political, economic, ethical, etc. issues, or believe in whatever appeals to them (or their peers) the most. I feel that most DDOers do not belong to this category. There is more critical thinking here than on sites where users claim to be critical thinkers when, in fact, they are only capable of criticism - a long way from critical thinking.

In fact, even before I was really active, DDO has made early impacts on me. For one thing, I found that homosexuality occurred in nature, something I was unaware of before. Con -> Und for gay marriage was probably one of my first big issue stance changes. (I later changed it from Und to Pro.) I also found out about civil unions, something I'd never heard of. By contrast, my early debates on DDO weren't too memorable. I had a good one on dialects with a Danish user, and found out a lot about Greenland (though I was rather dissatisfied with the sole voter TBH, and am glad that voting rules have tightened since then). That pretty much sums up my early DDO ventures.

I continued to come to DDO occasionally for a few years, and finally made an official 'return' (though I can't say I'd ever really been a regular before this) in the Opinions and Polls sections. My activity level wasn't too high even then, but I wrote a few Opinions that I like even now. During this opinions/polls period, I learnt much about contemporary issues in the US. Eventually, I ventured to the forums, and returned to debating after my exams ended.

To be sure, by the time of my return to DDO, my worldview had pretty much matured. Yet DDO played an important role in helping me fine-tune it. I made up my mind on several issues, including abortion and various economic policies. Having my beliefs questioned (or directly attacked) also compelled me to modify some of them as well. That said, I admit that reading Western (well, mostly American) views and uncovering their underlying principles and ideologies actually strengthened my own views. I know that, prima facie, this demonstrates my obstinacy and inability to entertain ideas that conflict with my beliefs, but I don't think this is the case. I did consider these ideas, but ultimately, where they conflict with my own, I have found no good reason to believe the former to be superior to the latter.

DDO also exposed me to fields I would otherwise never have touched upon. My first encounter with formal logic was on DDO, although I don't remember what debate it was. I used to be completely ignorant of the subject, and now I at least know all the SL connectives and QL symbols (no, Tej, this doesn't mean I will understand your God arguments :P). (As an aside, my dad's just told me logic used to be his favourite subject, and that his classmates would copy his logic homework...) Philosophy certainly isn't lacking on DDO, and when I do occasionally read God debates from Tej and others, I feel the limits of my mind's processing capacity being tested. I was particularly fascinated by the systems of ethics from the West, and although I strongly disagree with consequentialism and also dislike deontology to an extent, I've found many similarities between virtue ethics and the teachings of Mencius, and now actually regard it as an essential components of my beliefs on ethics. As for sociopolitical issues, although numerous society threads/opinions/polls on DDO are variations on the same theme (on race, gender and sexuality), there were threads, even on these subjects, which enlightened me (such as reasons other than prejudice behind the pay gap). JMK and others also informed me on economic issues, and I've read a lot of science in the science forum, though I admittedly don't understand much of it.

(to be continued)
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
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Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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8/2/2015 7:40:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The greatest thing about this community is that we can always learn from each other. Many DDO users specialise in specific fields and are always happy to answer all sorts of questions about them. (By contrast, on other sites, either there are fewer specialists, or users have little predisposition to make explicit where their expertise lies.) I enjoy helping others learn, and I really enjoy learning from others DDO. In particular, I would like to extend my thanks to UndeniableReality, who has provided me with valuable academic advice.

I admit that I've hit writer's block here. I'm sure I can think of other ways in which DDO have helped me become a better person, but these are the main ways. I don't want to occupy too much of your time anyway, so I'll stop here, with the (purposefully vague and somewhat tentative) promise that I'll pay off the 'debate debts' and 'unreplied forum post debts' I've accumulated in the coming month.

***

Over the past week, my post count remained stagnant as I had reached 1226 posts, and yet could not produce this piece. Now my hands are no longer tied, and I can take pride in the fact that I had made a somewhat meaningful milestone post. I'm going to sleep now, but tomorrow I'm replying to all those threads I've refrained from responding to because I didn't want to exceed 1227th post >_>
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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8/2/2015 8:46:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Welcome back :)

This was, truly, one of the best milestone threads I have ever read. It is also probably among the best OPs I've ever read as well. And, I might note, that just as much as DDO has helped or changed you, you have helped and contributed to DDO. It's nice to see you back on the site.
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8/3/2015 5:02:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/2/2015 7:38:24 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Okay, I've got to write this. I've been on my 1226th post for a while, and I promised Tej I'd do something for my 1227th post, so I'm going to do it here.

*smiles*


Before I start, allow me to explain why I was away last week. (This is irrelevant to the topic at hand, so feel free to skip this part and jump straight to the text below the three asterisks. Or TL;DR the whole post - I won't mind, lol.)

I've graduated this year, and my economics teacher asked me to return to school to assist him in teaching students who are still preparing for the HKDSE (our standardised test which determines university admission).

Joey will be proud.


***

So, why am I writing an essay for my 1227th post? This is actually two questions rolled into one - why I'm writing an essay and not doing an AMA or shoutout, and why I'm doing this on the 1227th milestone - and I reserve the right to keep it ambiguous because prosodic features (in this case, stress) do not show up in writing. In any case, I'll address both issues, one by one. I don't really want to do an AMA. I don't really want a personal AMA, and a linguistics/Confucianism/whatever AMA seems not to be really suited for a milestone thread. I've considered an AMA where you can only ask me about my beliefs, but I've decided that isn't very special either - heck, discussing each others' beliefs is something we do in the forums all the time. I could also to a shoutout, but the thing about shoutouts is that you're definitely going to miss out some people, which I don't really want. As for why I'm doing it for my 1227th post rather than my 1000th, well, obviously, it's because I want to be special and different... Okay, okay, it's also because I didn't know what to do when I was on my 1000th, and you can guess the relative strengths of the two reasons, haha.

What I wanted to do in this essay is to reflect on the impacts that DDO has had on me. I consider DDO one of the sites where I'm 'officially' a regular. There are four of these sites, as well as sites where I used to be a regular for months (or even years) before disappearing into inactivity. DDO is easily the site where I've spent the least time. It wasn't until the past year-or-so that I've used the site more than minimally. However, the impact that DDO has had on me during this time has been profound. Contrary to oft-repeated claims to the contrary, I still believe DDO is full of intelligent people willing to engage in intellectual conversation. DDO regulars tend to be more rational and informed than most people, who either remain apathetic to social, political, economic, ethical, etc. issues, or believe in whatever appeals to them (or their peers) the most. I feel that most DDOers do not belong to this category. There is more critical thinking here than on sites where users claim to be critical thinkers when, in fact, they are only capable of criticism - a long way from critical thinking.

In fact, even before I was really active, DDO has made early impacts on me. For one thing, I found that homosexuality occurred in nature, something I was unaware of before. Con -> Und for gay marriage was probably one of my first big issue stance changes. (I later changed it from Und to Pro.) I also found out about civil unions, something I'd never heard of. By contrast, my early debates on DDO weren't too memorable. I had a good one on dialects with a Danish user, and found out a lot about Greenland (though I was rather dissatisfied with the sole voter TBH, and am glad that voting rules have tightened since then). That pretty much sums up my early DDO ventures.

I continued to come to DDO occasionally for a few years, and finally made an official 'return' (though I can't say I'd ever really been a regular before this) in the Opinions and Polls sections. My activity level wasn't too high even then, but I wrote a few Opinions that I like even now. During this opinions/polls period, I learnt much about contemporary issues in the US. Eventually, I ventured to the forums, and returned to debating after my exams ended.

To be sure, by the time of my return to DDO, my worldview had pretty much matured. Yet DDO played an important role in helping me fine-tune it. I made up my mind on several issues, including abortion and various economic policies. Having my beliefs questioned (or directly attacked) also compelled me to modify some of them as well. That said, I admit that reading Western (well, mostly American) views and uncovering their underlying principles and ideologies actually strengthened my own views. I know that, prima facie, this demonstrates my obstinacy and inability to entertain ideas that conflict with my beliefs, but I don't think this is the case. I did consider these ideas, but ultimately, where they conflict with my own, I have found no good reason to believe the former to be superior to the latter.

DDO also exposed me to fields I would otherwise never have touched upon. My first encounter with formal logic was on DDO, although I don't remember what debate it was. I used to be completely ignorant of the subject, and now I at least know all the SL connectives and QL symbols (no, Tej, this doesn't mean I will understand your God arguments :P).

y u hate meh :P

Lol, what are QL symbols? I assume basic logic symbols . . .

(As an aside, my dad's just told me logic used to be his favourite subject, and that his classmates would copy his logic homework...) Philosophy certainly isn't lacking on DDO, and when I do occasionally read God debates from Tej and others, I feel the limits of my mind's processing capacity being tested. I was particularly fascinated by the systems of ethics from the West, and although I strongly disagree with consequentialism and also dislike deontology to an extent, I've found many similarities between virtue ethics and the teachings of Mencius, and now actually regard it as an essential components of my beliefs on ethics. As for sociopolitical issues, although numerous society threads/opinions/polls on DDO are variations on the same theme (on race, gender and sexuality), there were threads, even on these subjects, which enlightened me (such as reasons other than prejudice behind the pay gap). JMK and others also informed me on economic issues, and I've read a lot of science in the science forum, though I admittedly don't understand much of it.

I fully agree with bsh that this is the best milestone thread I've ever read (rhyme unintended).
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8/3/2015 10:10:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/2/2015 8:46:52 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Welcome back :)

This was, truly, one of the best milestone threads I have ever read. It is also probably among the best OPs I've ever read as well. And, I might note, that just as much as DDO has helped or changed you, you have helped and contributed to DDO. It's nice to see you back on the site.

Thank you so much for saying that, Monsieur le President. It means a lot to me. I can't say I've contributed much to the site, at least not in comparison to people like you, who participate in a large number of meaningful debates and discussions on a regular basis, but I'm glad I've done my part, however small. :)
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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8/3/2015 10:14:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 5:02:50 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/2/2015 7:38:24 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Okay, I've got to write this. I've been on my 1226th post for a while, and I promised Tej I'd do something for my 1227th post, so I'm going to do it here.

*smiles*
;)

Before I start, allow me to explain why I was away last week. (This is irrelevant to the topic at hand, so feel free to skip this part and jump straight to the text below the three asterisks. Or TL;DR the whole post - I won't mind, lol.)

I've graduated this year, and my economics teacher asked me to return to school to assist him in teaching students who are still preparing for the HKDSE (our standardised test which determines university admission).

Joey will be proud.
Wait, he's gone again? D:

***

So, why am I writing an essay for my 1227th post? This is actually two questions rolled into one - why I'm writing an essay and not doing an AMA or shoutout, and why I'm doing this on the 1227th milestone - and I reserve the right to keep it ambiguous because prosodic features (in this case, stress) do not show up in writing. In any case, I'll address both issues, one by one. I don't really want to do an AMA. I don't really want a personal AMA, and a linguistics/Confucianism/whatever AMA seems not to be really suited for a milestone thread. I've considered an AMA where you can only ask me about my beliefs, but I've decided that isn't very special either - heck, discussing each others' beliefs is something we do in the forums all the time. I could also to a shoutout, but the thing about shoutouts is that you're definitely going to miss out some people, which I don't really want. As for why I'm doing it for my 1227th post rather than my 1000th, well, obviously, it's because I want to be special and different... Okay, okay, it's also because I didn't know what to do when I was on my 1000th, and you can guess the relative strengths of the two reasons, haha.

What I wanted to do in this essay is to reflect on the impacts that DDO has had on me. I consider DDO one of the sites where I'm 'officially' a regular. There are four of these sites, as well as sites where I used to be a regular for months (or even years) before disappearing into inactivity. DDO is easily the site where I've spent the least time. It wasn't until the past year-or-so that I've used the site more than minimally. However, the impact that DDO has had on me during this time has been profound. Contrary to oft-repeated claims to the contrary, I still believe DDO is full of intelligent people willing to engage in intellectual conversation. DDO regulars tend to be more rational and informed than most people, who either remain apathetic to social, political, economic, ethical, etc. issues, or believe in whatever appeals to them (or their peers) the most. I feel that most DDOers do not belong to this category. There is more critical thinking here than on sites where users claim to be critical thinkers when, in fact, they are only capable of criticism - a long way from critical thinking.

In fact, even before I was really active, DDO has made early impacts on me. For one thing, I found that homosexuality occurred in nature, something I was unaware of before. Con -> Und for gay marriage was probably one of my first big issue stance changes. (I later changed it from Und to Pro.) I also found out about civil unions, something I'd never heard of. By contrast, my early debates on DDO weren't too memorable. I had a good one on dialects with a Danish user, and found out a lot about Greenland (though I was rather dissatisfied with the sole voter TBH, and am glad that voting rules have tightened since then). That pretty much sums up my early DDO ventures.

I continued to come to DDO occasionally for a few years, and finally made an official 'return' (though I can't say I'd ever really been a regular before this) in the Opinions and Polls sections. My activity level wasn't too high even then, but I wrote a few Opinions that I like even now. During this opinions/polls period, I learnt much about contemporary issues in the US. Eventually, I ventured to the forums, and returned to debating after my exams ended.

To be sure, by the time of my return to DDO, my worldview had pretty much matured. Yet DDO played an important role in helping me fine-tune it. I made up my mind on several issues, including abortion and various economic policies. Having my beliefs questioned (or directly attacked) also compelled me to modify some of them as well. That said, I admit that reading Western (well, mostly American) views and uncovering their underlying principles and ideologies actually strengthened my own views. I know that, prima facie, this demonstrates my obstinacy and inability to entertain ideas that conflict with my beliefs, but I don't think this is the case. I did consider these ideas, but ultimately, where they conflict with my own, I have found no good reason to believe the former to be superior to the latter.

DDO also exposed me to fields I would otherwise never have touched upon. My first encounter with formal logic was on DDO, although I don't remember what debate it was. I used to be completely ignorant of the subject, and now I at least know all the SL connectives and QL symbols (no, Tej, this doesn't mean I will understand your God arguments :P).

y u hate meh :P
Your arguments are... really esoteric for those who don't know any philosophy, lol.
Lol, what are QL symbols? I assume basic logic symbols . . .
I mean quantifier logic symbols (universal, existential quantifiers etc).
(As an aside, my dad's just told me logic used to be his favourite subject, and that his classmates would copy his logic homework...) Philosophy certainly isn't lacking on DDO, and when I do occasionally read God debates from Tej and others, I feel the limits of my mind's processing capacity being tested. I was particularly fascinated by the systems of ethics from the West, and although I strongly disagree with consequentialism and also dislike deontology to an extent, I've found many similarities between virtue ethics and the teachings of Mencius, and now actually regard it as an essential components of my beliefs on ethics. As for sociopolitical issues, although numerous society threads/opinions/polls on DDO are variations on the same theme (on race, gender and sexuality), there were threads, even on these subjects, which enlightened me (such as reasons other than prejudice behind the pay gap). JMK and others also informed me on economic issues, and I've read a lot of science in the science forum, though I admittedly don't understand much of it.

I fully agree with bsh that this is the best milestone thread I've ever read (rhyme unintended).

Thank you so much, Tej. ^^
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...