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8/4/2015 7:50:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
What do Civil Engineers do? How much money do they get? How long does it take to do those measuring stuff?

I chose this course literally because I heard its a job that pays a lot and the studying is like 4-5 years, but I have no idea what they do or how much money they get.
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8/4/2015 9:00:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 7:50:45 AM, XLAV wrote:
What do Civil Engineers do? How much money do they get? How long does it take to do those measuring stuff?

I chose this course literally because I heard its a job that pays a lot and the studying is like 4-5 years, but I have no idea what they do or how much money they get.

What's wrong with being a real engineer?
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8/4/2015 9:04:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 9:01:15 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:00:03 AM, Wylted wrote:

What's wrong with being a real engineer?

What do you mean by 'real'?

I just thought people that couldn't handle other engineering majors, such as chemical engineering or petroleum engineering shift to that degree when they struggle. It's usually not something people go for until they realize they can't cut it on the other engineering degree routes.
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8/4/2015 1:42:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 9:04:08 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:01:15 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:00:03 AM, Wylted wrote:

What's wrong with being a real engineer?

What do you mean by 'real'?

I just thought people that couldn't handle other engineering majors, such as chemical engineering or petroleum engineering shift to that degree when they struggle. It's usually not something people go for until they realize they can't cut it on the other engineering degree routes.

Even if this were the case, I would not downplay the importance of civil engineers. They play a crucial role in society. They contribute their knowledge and skills to maintain slope safety, build roads and so on. They are just as important as other engineers, if not more, and deserve applause for their work.
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8/4/2015 1:44:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 7:50:45 AM, XLAV wrote:
What do Civil Engineers do? How much money do they get? How long does it take to do those measuring stuff?

I chose this course literally because I heard its a job that pays a lot and the studying is like 4-5 years, but I have no idea what they do or how much money they get.

I think you shouldn't have chosen a course just because it pays a lot. You need to study the subject a bit to see if you are really capable of and interested in it. If you haven't checked if you have the talent, skills and passion for a profession, studying it will be a torture, and you may eventually have to drop out.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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http://www.debate.org...

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8/4/2015 1:47:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 1:42:57 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:04:08 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:01:15 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:00:03 AM, Wylted wrote:

What's wrong with being a real engineer?

What do you mean by 'real'?

I just thought people that couldn't handle other engineering majors, such as chemical engineering or petroleum engineering shift to that degree when they struggle. It's usually not something people go for until they realize they can't cut it on the other engineering degree routes.

Even if this were the case, I would not downplay the importance of civil engineers. They play a crucial role in society. They contribute their knowledge and skills to maintain slope safety, build roads and so on. They are just as important as other engineers, if not more, and deserve applause for their work.

I guess under that logic, we should place a high value on janitors. I mean if it weren't for them, I wouldn't be able to use a public restroom or visit a viewing booth in a porn store. Actually come to think of it, janitors are more valuable than civil engineers, I mean we had roads without the aid of engineers in the Wild West, but every god dam saloon had a janitor, insuring one could bang a herpes infested prostitute in a relatively sterile environment.
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8/4/2015 1:47:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 1:47:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/4/2015 1:42:57 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:04:08 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:01:15 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:00:03 AM, Wylted wrote:

What's wrong with being a real engineer?

What do you mean by 'real'?

I just thought people that couldn't handle other engineering majors, such as chemical engineering or petroleum engineering shift to that degree when they struggle. It's usually not something people go for until they realize they can't cut it on the other engineering degree routes.

Even if this were the case, I would not downplay the importance of civil engineers. They play a crucial role in society. They contribute their knowledge and skills to maintain slope safety, build roads and so on. They are just as important as other engineers, if not more, and deserve applause for their work.

I guess under that logic, we should place a high value on janitors. I mean if it weren't for them, I wouldn't be able to use a public restroom or visit a viewing booth in a porn store. Actually come to think of it, janitors are more valuable than civil engineers, I mean we had roads without the aid of engineers in the Wild West, but every god dam saloon had a janitor, insuring one could bang a herpes infested prostitute in a relatively sterile environment.

That's very true. I have deep respect for janitors.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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8/4/2015 1:49:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 9:01:15 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:00:03 AM, Wylted wrote:

What's wrong with being a real engineer?

What do you mean by 'real'?

Hey XLAV I figured it out. Become a janitor, they're more respected than civil engineers.
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8/4/2015 1:53:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 1:49:38 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:01:15 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:00:03 AM, Wylted wrote:

What's wrong with being a real engineer?

What do you mean by 'real'?

Hey XLAV I figured it out. Become a janitor, they're more respected than civil engineers.

Prestige is hardly the only factor he should take into occupation when he's choosing an occupation... everyone has different interests and abilities, and XLAV should be contributing to society through a profession where he does best. It's specialisation that has allowed human civilisation to advance to where we are today.

In any case, just because I think people *should* have more respect for janitors does not mean they actually have more respect...
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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8/4/2015 1:53:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 7:50:45 AM, XLAV wrote:
What do Civil Engineers do? How much money do they get? How long does it take to do those measuring stuff?

I chose this course literally because I heard its a job that pays a lot and the studying is like 4-5 years, but I have no idea what they do or how much money they get.

My brother is a civil engineer, and he went to school for four years. It's a really intensive curriculum, with a lot of math and physics, plus geology and hydrology. Basically, what he does for a living is look at the plan for, say, a housing development. He maps everything out, the soils and grades, calculates drainage, helps to plan where roads go, where ditches go, where waste treatment goes. They basically put in the 'guts' of the whole operation, and makes sure that the construction firm can't be sued for violating ordinances and laws (obviously, with help from the legal team). You can rise pretty high; one of my best friends father was a civil engineer, and now works on city planning in Canada. But you have to be good at math, as the core curriculum involves a lot of classes in structural engineering which are math intensive, as well as very high level calculus courses.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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8/4/2015 3:25:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 1:53:49 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/4/2015 7:50:45 AM, XLAV wrote:
What do Civil Engineers do? How much money do they get? How long does it take to do those measuring stuff?

I chose this course literally because I heard its a job that pays a lot and the studying is like 4-5 years, but I have no idea what they do or how much money they get.

My brother is a civil engineer, and he went to school for four years. It's a really intensive curriculum, with a lot of math and physics, plus geology and hydrology. Basically, what he does for a living is look at the plan for, say, a housing development. He maps everything out, the soils and grades, calculates drainage, helps to plan where roads go, where ditches go, where waste treatment goes. They basically put in the 'guts' of the whole operation, and makes sure that the construction firm can't be sued for violating ordinances and laws (obviously, with help from the legal team). You can rise pretty high; one of my best friends father was a civil engineer, and now works on city planning in Canada. But you have to be good at math, as the core curriculum involves a lot of classes in structural engineering which are math intensive, as well as very high level calculus courses.
How long does this mapping and the other stuff usually take?

Is there like a job that requires me to travel a lot?
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8/4/2015 3:27:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 1:44:35 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 8/4/2015 7:50:45 AM, XLAV wrote:
What do Civil Engineers do? How much money do they get? How long does it take to do those measuring stuff?

I chose this course literally because I heard its a job that pays a lot and the studying is like 4-5 years, but I have no idea what they do or how much money they get.

I think you shouldn't have chosen a course just because it pays a lot. You need to study the subject a bit to see if you are really capable of and interested in it. If you haven't checked if you have the talent, skills and passion for a profession, studying it will be a torture, and you may eventually have to drop out.

Well I'm pretty ambitious and I'm fairly good in math and physics, so I think I'll do alright.
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8/4/2015 3:30:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 1:49:38 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:01:15 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 9:00:03 AM, Wylted wrote:

What's wrong with being a real engineer?

What do you mean by 'real'?

Hey XLAV I figured it out. Become a janitor, they're more respected than civil engineers.

Anyone can be a janitor. Only a few can be a civil engineer.

Supply and demand nigga.
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8/4/2015 3:33:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 3:28:46 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 1:53:49 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
How much money does your brother or your friend's father make in a month/year?

My brother started at 23 dollars an hour, I don't know how much he makes now, though. I don't know the figure of my friend's father, but they're definitely upper-middle class on his income alone, in an already affluent area.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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8/4/2015 3:34:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 3:25:56 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 1:53:49 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/4/2015 7:50:45 AM, XLAV wrote:
What do Civil Engineers do? How much money do they get? How long does it take to do those measuring stuff?

I chose this course literally because I heard its a job that pays a lot and the studying is like 4-5 years, but I have no idea what they do or how much money they get.

My brother is a civil engineer, and he went to school for four years. It's a really intensive curriculum, with a lot of math and physics, plus geology and hydrology. Basically, what he does for a living is look at the plan for, say, a housing development. He maps everything out, the soils and grades, calculates drainage, helps to plan where roads go, where ditches go, where waste treatment goes. They basically put in the 'guts' of the whole operation, and makes sure that the construction firm can't be sued for violating ordinances and laws (obviously, with help from the legal team). You can rise pretty high; one of my best friends father was a civil engineer, and now works on city planning in Canada. But you have to be good at math, as the core curriculum involves a lot of classes in structural engineering which are math intensive, as well as very high level calculus courses.
How long does this mapping and the other stuff usually take?

Is there like a job that requires me to travel a lot?

No, surveyors do the actual mapping, he just analyzes things from his office.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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8/4/2015 3:35:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 3:34:27 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

No, surveyors do the actual mapping, he just analyzes things from his office.

How long does that usually take?
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8/4/2015 3:36:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 3:35:20 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 3:34:27 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

No, surveyors do the actual mapping, he just analyzes things from his office.

How long does that usually take?

Depends entirely on the size of the project. He's not working on it alone, either, he's part of a mid-sized firm.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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8/4/2015 3:37:31 PM
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At 8/4/2015 3:33:44 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

My brother started at 23 dollars an hour, I don't know how much he makes now, though. I don't know the figure of my friend's father, but they're definitely upper-middle class on his income alone, in an already affluent area.

Upper middle class? Wtf.

I thought this job was gonna make me upper class.
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8/4/2015 3:38:19 PM
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At 8/4/2015 3:36:15 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Depends entirely on the size of the project. He's not working on it alone, either, he's part of a mid-sized firm.

Is this firm an independent construction company?
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8/4/2015 4:16:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 3:38:19 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 3:36:15 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Depends entirely on the size of the project. He's not working on it alone, either, he's part of a mid-sized firm.

Is this firm an independent construction company?

No, a civil engineering firm.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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8/4/2015 4:17:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 3:37:31 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 3:33:44 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

My brother started at 23 dollars an hour, I don't know how much he makes now, though. I don't know the figure of my friend's father, but they're definitely upper-middle class on his income alone, in an already affluent area.

Upper middle class? Wtf.

I thought this job was gonna make me upper class.

Haha, I consider upper class millionaires. Maybe your family would get there by the time you were old and retiring, unless you already are upper-middle class.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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8/5/2015 10:48:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
So, first day in college today. I must say, I am surprised that there are actually girls in civil engineering. What I'm even more surprised at is they are hot af too.
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8/5/2015 10:52:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/5/2015 10:48:18 AM, XLAV wrote:
So, first day in college today. I must say, I am surprised that there are actually girls in civil engineering. What I'm even more surprised at is they are hot af too.

You shouldn't focus on the girls, lol. *cough cough* You should be focusing on your class, your GPA. That's what school's for, right? :P
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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8/5/2015 10:59:35 AM
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At 8/5/2015 10:52:33 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 8/5/2015 10:48:18 AM, XLAV wrote:
So, first day in college today. I must say, I am surprised that there are actually girls in civil engineering. What I'm even more surprised at is they are hot af too.

You shouldn't focus on the girls, lol. *cough cough* You should be focusing on your class, your GPA. That's what school's for, right? :P

Yeah, I was going too, but I didn't expect there to be hot girls in civil engineering, lol.
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8/5/2015 1:16:17 PM
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At 8/5/2015 11:05:36 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/4/2015 4:16:30 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

No, a civil engineering firm.

Can ya explain? idk how this firms work.

Someone needs help with their building project. They send their info to the firm, and the firm does the necessary work.
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8/5/2015 2:14:19 PM
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At 8/5/2015 1:16:17 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Someone needs help with their building project. They send their info to the firm, and the firm does the necessary work.

Can I start my own firm as a civil engineer?
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8/5/2015 2:15:38 PM
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At 8/5/2015 2:14:19 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/5/2015 1:16:17 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Someone needs help with their building project. They send their info to the firm, and the firm does the necessary work.

Can I start my own firm as a civil engineer?

You'd probably have to work for another firm first to gain experience, but later on in life, sure.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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