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Think I'm losing the will to debate

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9/26/2015 6:18:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Bit of a long story coming up, you can skip ahead if you want:

I was on Facebook the other day and all of my friends "like" these conservative pages that post a bunch of conservative bs and spam up my home page. I usually block these pages after like the third post that I find makes no point, but there is this one that I haven't block and it basically posted a little image that listed all of these famous crimes that liberals and socialists have committed over the years and it says "these were committed all by liberals: not conservatives, NRA's or Republicans" and I said in the comments section "so we are just going to pretend like these are the only crimes ever committed? Okay".

I realize now that the guy never actually stated conservatives and such have never committed crimes, and my comment reflected a belief that it did, and I was prepared to apologize for this, but then the creator of the post replied to my comment. And so I responded.

What this guy seemed to think was the case is that ALL liberals, absolutely every single on of them, think that no other liberal ever has ever committed a crime: ever. And I was obviously being the rational one and said, "hey, I've actually spoken to liberals and leftists: they acknowledge that other liberals and leftists have committed crime. It is just silly to believe that no one in a group of people that large has committed any crimes and equally silly to believe that they believe they haven't"

Well, this is when the ad hominem insults came: first he called me crazy and insane by implying that the liberals and leftist's voices stopped when I took my medication, then I pointed out that these were actual people I knew and others knew as well, then he said that doesn't prove I'm not insane, then I said "if you were a serious debater you would actually start addressing my points instead of just tossing them aside for personal insults" I explained that I have spend years actually debating far more intelligent conservatives and that he is ruining their good name, then he called me egotistical and pretentious, and it just went on from there.

Finally after a while I gave up and said goodbye and told him I'm never going to convince him of anything.


This got me thinking that I've been giving up more and more in debates recently, in real life, here and on other sites. I've been debating people since I went to high school and I'm now in my mid-twenties, and now, all of the sudden, I'm just being worn down by the fighting and I feel like I want to do what most people do and just have some vague opinion on some things and not really care if I run into someone with a strong opinion on it whether they agree with me or not.

This next question is especially directed at aged debaters: how do you do it? How do you find the will to keep debating? It might just be my personality, but I find that it drains me sometimes even to debate people that are being perfectly respectable and calm, and especially so when I run into people who just insult me and talk down to me.

You know, it's not that I don't care for others opinions or that I think I'm always right, its just that I don't like fighting or getting worked up because I disagree.

Thanks for taking time to read this through, feel free to offer advice, call me a pansy, whatever, I'm just kinda venting here.
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9/26/2015 8:59:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/26/2015 6:18:57 PM, Black-Jesus wrote:
This next question is especially directed at aged debaters: how do you do it? How do you find the will to keep debating?
Because debating is fun. Being right is fun. Being right and letting the other person know that they're wrong is the most fun.
State things as objective facts. Question the assertions. Point them out. Ask for sources. Then decry them for B.S. if they don't provide it.
When people make stupid claims like: "All liberals don't know that other Liberals commit crime", the onus is on them to prove their claim and not on you to disprove it.
Heck, you could go about asking for proof without revealing your own position. Make it look like you're trying to take their side or open to taking their side. Then when they show that they have nothing to convince you with, just state that you're unconvinced for lack of evidence or whatever.
If you give them the idea that you're the opposing viewpoint instead of the neutral viewpoint, then chances are they're going to not want to talk to you rationally.
Just ignore them when they do that. They're being childish, and anyone who knows anything should also be able to see that. If not, then the people you are associating with are too stupid. Get some smart friends.
I mean, stupid friends are generally easier to manipulate. Or they should be.
At least.. based on my experience.
Those are my two cents. Use them wisely.
Or not.
Up to you.
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9/29/2015 11:39:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm not really a seasoned debater, I'm just seasoned, so may answer may be a little vague, though I still wish to give you a good answer.

The times when I do debate I always ask myself what I stand to gain from the debate, as well as what I can learn from my opponent. A vague or rude reply can tell me a lot about the person I am speaking with. I think what makes debating fun, whether you engage in it yourself or just watch others go at it, is what you learn about people and how we interact. We are such curious beings with so many views, and not one is exactly the same. In a way that makes debating a bit of a treasure hunt, you discover new people and different views that you may not even have heard or thought much about.

I say I'm not a debater because more often than not I like to reflect on what I see others doing and I reflect that way. I also recognize my own needs to slow down when I feel overwhelmed or like I'll make a hasty and irrational response.
I don't think you should force yourself to debate if you're tired of it right now. Perhaps this is a time for you to reflect? What have you learned so far and in what ways have you grown?
I don't think debating is much different than other avenues of life. Sometimes you need to take a break from it to find your zest for it again. A rechargeable battery is not called a rechargeable battery for nothing, sometimes you need to recharge.

That was my small opinion on the matter. I hope you figure things out and do what you feel is right for you :)