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12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
For the record, I am both biologically male and I identify (and have always identified) as male.My profile says male, too, and it always has done. But, many people on this site have referred to me with female pronouns, even users who have been here awhile or who have talked to me at length on the forums.

Why is this? I don't think my actions particularly scream "female," (I could be wrong) so I don't really understand.
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12/24/2015 4:57:24 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 4:53:59 PM, XLAV wrote:
Because you're gay.

People don't mistake Harder, Chris, Dalt, HPG, YYW, or Skep for girls. Why me?
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12/24/2015 4:59:39 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 4:57:12 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
I've only ever seen Jifpop referring to you as a female... and he's just a special case in general.

Actually, this happens to me a lot. I only make a big deal over it when Jif does it because he does it to insult me. When people make a genuine mistake, I don't see the point in getting mad at them. But it's happened to me 4 times in the last week, and that's what prompted this thread, and it has happened a lot more in the totality of my time on the site. It's a little bit unsettling, because even if people make an honest mistake, it feels like people just don't see me as how I see me.
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12/24/2015 5:06:23 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 4:57:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:53:59 PM, XLAV wrote:
Because you're gay.

People don't mistake Harder, Chris, Dalt, HPG, YYW, or Skep for girls. Why me?

HPG and Skep are gay? Wtf.
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12/24/2015 5:07:16 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 5:06:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:57:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:53:59 PM, XLAV wrote:
Because you're gay.

People don't mistake Harder, Chris, Dalt, HPG, YYW, or Skep for girls. Why me?

HPG and Skep are gay? Wtf.

Lol...Yes, they are.
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12/24/2015 5:11:17 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:
For the record, I am both biologically male and I identify (and have always identified) as male.My profile says male, too, and it always has done. But, many people on this site have referred to me with female pronouns, even users who have been here awhile or who have talked to me at length on the forums.

Why is this? I don't think my actions particularly scream "female," (I could be wrong) so I don't really understand.

I think it is not because of a single factor but a synergy of multiple factors that others mistake you for a member of the opposite sex.

Firstly, you have had 'hot guys' avatars in the past. Statistically, far more females are attracted to males than males. Assume 10% of the population is homosexual and the genders are evenly split. Then P(female|attracted to men) = P(female) * P(attracted to men|female) / P(attracted to men) = 0.9. Your avatar was prima facie evidence that you were a female.

Secondly, you have had Guinan avatars in the past. Anime characters aside (because men have a propensity towards female anime avatars), it is far more likely for a female to have a female character as her avatar than for a male to do the same.

Thirdly, you are kind, considerate and unabrasive, qualities generally associated with femininity. This is particularly evident in your use of language during times of conflict. You tend to remain calm and courteous, and never resort to insults. It is unlikely for a male to possess these qualities.

Fourthly, your username resembles 'bish', and you had 'I'm a bish' in your signature for a while. 'Bish' is clearly associated with the feminine sex.

I can probably think of more...
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12/24/2015 5:29:23 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 5:11:17 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:
For the record, I am both biologically male and I identify (and have always identified) as male.My profile says male, too, and it always has done. But, many people on this site have referred to me with female pronouns, even users who have been here awhile or who have talked to me at length on the forums.

Why is this? I don't think my actions particularly scream "female," (I could be wrong) so I don't really understand.

I think it is not because of a single factor but a synergy of multiple factors that others mistake you for a member of the opposite sex.

Firstly, you have had 'hot guys' avatars in the past. Statistically, far more females are attracted to males than males. Assume 10% of the population is homosexual and the genders are evenly split. Then P(female|attracted to men) = P(female) * P(attracted to men|female) / P(attracted to men) = 0.9. Your avatar was prima facie evidence that you were a female.

Secondly, you have had Guinan avatars in the past. Anime characters aside (because men have a propensity towards female anime avatars), it is far more likely for a female to have a female character as her avatar than for a male to do the same.

Thirdly, you are kind, considerate and unabrasive, qualities generally associated with femininity. This is particularly evident in your use of language during times of conflict. You tend to remain calm and courteous, and never resort to insults. It is unlikely for a male to possess these qualities.

Fourthly, your username resembles 'bish', and you had 'I'm a bish' in your signature for a while. 'Bish' is clearly associated with the feminine sex.

I can probably think of more...

I think some of this is fair...but I am not sure it fully explains things. For people who weren't here when I had hot guy avatars, which is probably the strongest reason to make the mistake, do the other factors really scream girl? IDK...I just don't think the rest of the evidence is sufficient to make that presumption, esp. for people who have talked with me many times.
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12/24/2015 5:32:49 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:

It's your natural motherly nature mixed in with your baby blue colored profile picture, which depicts a warm and loving female figure.

Or maybe they don't bother to check your profile beforehand...
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12/24/2015 5:38:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 5:32:49 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:

It's your natural motherly nature mixed in with your baby blue colored profile picture, which depicts a warm and loving female figure.

I am motherly?

And the profile pic is just really cute...

Or maybe they don't bother to check your profile beforehand...

Lol. Definitely this. Or they just don't read carefully.
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12/24/2015 6:07:32 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 5:38:11 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 5:32:49 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:

It's your natural motherly nature mixed in with your baby blue colored profile picture, which depicts a warm and loving female figure.

I am motherly?

You probably remember this, but bluesteel said your most admirable quality is how nurturing you are, haha

It probably is that general demeanor + guinan avatar + failure to give more than a cursory glance at your profile
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12/24/2015 6:10:45 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Why do people think I am a girl? Here is an idea. Make your avatar a picture of yourself that way there will be no confusion if in fact you are a man and if infarct you are not a cross dresser.
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12/24/2015 6:18:35 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 4:57:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:53:59 PM, XLAV wrote:
Because you're gay.

People don't mistake Harder, Chris, Dalt, HPG, YYW, or Skep for girls. Why me?

So I have alter-egos now?
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12/24/2015 6:18:42 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
I don't think that I've believed you to be female, but because you're gay and because you seemed a bit effeminate I felt it was easier to process you in my mind as being a girl. Not so much anymore though.
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12/24/2015 6:20:14 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 5:38:11 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 5:32:49 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:

It's your natural motherly nature mixed in with your baby blue colored profile picture, which depicts a warm and loving female figure.

I am motherly?

No.
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12/24/2015 7:05:53 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:
For the record, I am both biologically male and I identify (and have always identified) as male.My profile says male, too, and it always has done. But, many people on this site have referred to me with female pronouns, even users who have been here awhile or who have talked to me at length on the forums.

Why is this? I don't think my actions particularly scream "female," (I could be wrong) so I don't really understand.

I think people are just being playful.
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12/24/2015 7:06:28 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 5:06:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:57:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:53:59 PM, XLAV wrote:
Because you're gay.

People don't mistake Harder, Chris, Dalt, HPG, YYW, or Skep for girls. Why me?

HPG and Skep are gay? Wtf.

Teh gayz r takin' ovr da world yo
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12/24/2015 7:21:02 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 7:05:53 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:
For the record, I am both biologically male and I identify (and have always identified) as male.My profile says male, too, and it always has done. But, many people on this site have referred to me with female pronouns, even users who have been here awhile or who have talked to me at length on the forums.

Why is this? I don't think my actions particularly scream "female," (I could be wrong) so I don't really understand.

I think people are just being playful.

Not really. People genuinely mistake me for a girl.
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12/24/2015 7:21:38 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 6:07:32 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 12/24/2015 5:38:11 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 5:32:49 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:

It's your natural motherly nature mixed in with your baby blue colored profile picture, which depicts a warm and loving female figure.

I am motherly?

You probably remember this, but bluesteel said your most admirable quality is how nurturing you are, haha

It probably is that general demeanor + guinan avatar + failure to give more than a cursory glance at your profile

Okay...
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12/24/2015 7:22:02 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 7:21:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 7:05:53 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:
For the record, I am both biologically male and I identify (and have always identified) as male.My profile says male, too, and it always has done. But, many people on this site have referred to me with female pronouns, even users who have been here awhile or who have talked to me at length on the forums.

Why is this? I don't think my actions particularly scream "female," (I could be wrong) so I don't really understand.

I think people are just being playful.

Not really. People genuinely mistake me for a girl.

Fair enough... If they've heard you talk, though, then they're going to know you're not a girl.
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12/24/2015 7:23:08 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 6:18:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:57:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:53:59 PM, XLAV wrote:
Because you're gay.

People don't mistake Harder, Chris, Dalt, HPG, YYW, or Skep for girls. Why me?

So I have alter-egos now?

I just like you twice as much, I guess :P
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12/24/2015 7:23:52 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 7:23:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 6:18:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:57:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:53:59 PM, XLAV wrote:
Because you're gay.

People don't mistake Harder, Chris, Dalt, HPG, YYW, or Skep for girls. Why me?

So I have alter-egos now?

I just like you twice as much, I guess :P

Lol.

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12/24/2015 7:25:27 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 7:22:02 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/24/2015 7:21:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 7:05:53 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:
For the record, I am both biologically male and I identify (and have always identified) as male.My profile says male, too, and it always has done. But, many people on this site have referred to me with female pronouns, even users who have been here awhile or who have talked to me at length on the forums.

Why is this? I don't think my actions particularly scream "female," (I could be wrong) so I don't really understand.

I think people are just being playful.

Not really. People genuinely mistake me for a girl.

Fair enough... If they've heard you talk, though, then they're going to know you're not a girl.

Not even then. One person still got confused.
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12/24/2015 7:26:18 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 7:23:52 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 12/24/2015 7:23:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I just like you twice as much, I guess :P

Lol.

Also: http://www.debate.org...

Lol.
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12/24/2015 7:27:35 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 6:20:14 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 12/24/2015 5:38:11 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 5:32:49 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:

It's your natural motherly nature mixed in with your baby blue colored profile picture, which depicts a warm and loving female figure.

I am motherly?

No.

Interesting. How would you describe me, then?
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12/24/2015 7:28:00 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 5:53:50 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 5:38:11 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am motherly?

Yes, very much.

Okay...I am not sure how to process that...
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12/24/2015 7:28:52 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 7:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 6:20:14 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 12/24/2015 5:38:11 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 5:32:49 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/24/2015 4:51:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:

It's your natural motherly nature mixed in with your baby blue colored profile picture, which depicts a warm and loving female figure.

I am motherly?

No.

Interesting. How would you describe me, then?

Not motherly lol.
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12/24/2015 7:29:05 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/24/2015 6:10:45 PM, sadolite wrote:
Why do people think I am a girl? Here is an idea. Make your avatar a picture of yourself that way there will be no confusion if in fact you are a man and if infarct you are not a cross dresser.

As usual, a terse and abrasive reply.
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