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2/19/2016 4:08:10 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
So I was eating lunch at school today, and someone punched another student for making fun of his physical appearance. I was apparently the only one who did not pass down much negative judgement on the student who was being mocked. Having watched the lunchroom before the incident, people were openly jeering him continually.

I had an argument with people at my lunch table on whether it was appropriate of me to empathise with someone who had punched someone else.

Among their points of objection was that the student was popular (I have no idea if this is true) and that the person he punched is his friend. I also don't know if the latter is true - their reasoning for saying this was that they sit at the same table, but I thought that was kind of utter bullsh!t to base the argument from.

I said that I didn't have a problem with this person for sticking up for themselves. The people at my lunch table said that he should've just taken it - and if he reacted that strongly to "just that" - he should be checked out.

I also said that the teachers should take more of a role in stopping people from being bullied when it is plainly obvious that it is occurring. They again disagreed, saying that kids don't need to be "babied".

So given the scenario, from my perspective:

1. Student is continually called out with insults from people at school. Nobody does anything about it.
2. Someone at his lunch table says something similarly insulting.
3. Student punches the person at his lunch table.
4. Student is jeered at when escorted from the cafeteria.

What would your reaction have been?

Also, do you think that teachers at school and people in other situations taking a more active roles to stop bullying - and not just separate people when something physical breaks out - is making kids into "babies" or "pvssies"?
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2/19/2016 4:10:37 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
If I saw someone bullying someone else, I would stop it. There isn't much more to say about it.
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2/19/2016 4:42:21 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 4:08:10 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
So I was eating lunch at school today, and someone punched another student for making fun of his physical appearance. I was apparently the only one who did not pass down much negative judgement on the student who was being mocked. Having watched the lunchroom before the incident, people were openly jeering him continually.

I had an argument with people at my lunch table on whether it was appropriate of me to empathise with someone who had punched someone else.

Among their points of objection was that the student was popular (I have no idea if this is true) and that the person he punched is his friend. I also don't know if the latter is true - their reasoning for saying this was that they sit at the same table, but I thought that was kind of utter bullsh!t to base the argument from.

I said that I didn't have a problem with this person for sticking up for themselves. The people at my lunch table said that he should've just taken it - and if he reacted that strongly to "just that" - he should be checked out.

I also said that the teachers should take more of a role in stopping people from being bullied when it is plainly obvious that it is occurring. They again disagreed, saying that kids don't need to be "babied".

So given the scenario, from my perspective:

1. Student is continually called out with insults from people at school. Nobody does anything about it.
2. Someone at his lunch table says something similarly insulting.
3. Student punches the person at his lunch table.
4. Student is jeered at when escorted from the cafeteria.

What would your reaction have been?

Also, do you think that teachers at school and people in other situations taking a more active roles to stop bullying - and not just separate people when something physical breaks out - is making kids into "babies" or "pvssies"?

I would go and stop it. Punch the other kid if required.
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2/19/2016 4:54:34 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
What I would've done was probably nothing but what should have been done is to stop the punchee and his sheep friends from mocking the puncher and stop the puncher from punching. Depending on their ages the puncher is either a child or a shy type insecure teen who is in need of a good cheer up with his mates (AKA not the punchee.)
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2/19/2016 5:43:43 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 4:08:10 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
So I was eating lunch at school today, and someone punched another student for making fun of his physical appearance. I was apparently the only one who did not pass down much negative judgement on the student who was being mocked. Having watched the lunchroom before the incident, people were openly jeering him continually.

I had an argument with people at my lunch table on whether it was appropriate of me to empathise with someone who had punched someone else.

Among their points of objection was that the student was popular (I have no idea if this is true) and that the person he punched is his friend. I also don't know if the latter is true - their reasoning for saying this was that they sit at the same table, but I thought that was kind of utter bullsh!t to base the argument from.

I said that I didn't have a problem with this person for sticking up for themselves. The people at my lunch table said that he should've just taken it - and if he reacted that strongly to "just that" - he should be checked out.

I also said that the teachers should take more of a role in stopping people from being bullied when it is plainly obvious that it is occurring. They again disagreed, saying that kids don't need to be "babied".

So given the scenario, from my perspective:

1. Student is continually called out with insults from people at school. Nobody does anything about it.
2. Someone at his lunch table says something similarly insulting.
3. Student punches the person at his lunch table.
4. Student is jeered at when escorted from the cafeteria.

What would your reaction have been?

Also, do you think that teachers at school and people in other situations taking a more active roles to stop bullying - and not just separate people when something physical breaks out - is making kids into "babies" or "pvssies"?

Thats life kid. If you can't take the abuse then your an emotional baby. Take the insult and sit your as s down
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2/19/2016 6:04:55 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
I tend to think that people who believe kids need to take things like that never experienced bullying to any notable extent in their early life and/or had a deficiency in the development of their empathy.
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2/19/2016 6:28:47 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Tragically, there aren't numerous individuals who are willing help other people with regards to tormenting. I've seen it myself, and peers simply support the battling. Its truly pitiful. The victim shouldn't simply need to "take it like a man", that is unnecptable. A genuine man is somebody who has the bravery to go to bat for another person, and be a decent Samaritan.
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2/19/2016 6:29:28 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 6:04:55 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I tend to think that people who believe kids need to take things like that never experienced bullying to any notable extent in their early life and/or had a deficiency in the development of their empathy.

Can you give us more details on what exactly happened, like what caused kid A to punch kid B, or have you already told us everything you can?
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2/19/2016 7:10:29 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 6:29:28 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:04:55 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I tend to think that people who believe kids need to take things like that never experienced bullying to any notable extent in their early life and/or had a deficiency in the development of their empathy.

Can you give us more details on what exactly happened, like what caused kid A to punch kid B, or have you already told us everything you can?

People were mocking kid A, and when he sat down at his table, kid B said something that led kid A to punch him. That's all I can say.
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2/19/2016 7:10:58 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 7:10:29 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:29:28 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:04:55 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I tend to think that people who believe kids need to take things like that never experienced bullying to any notable extent in their early life and/or had a deficiency in the development of their empathy.

Can you give us more details on what exactly happened, like what caused kid A to punch kid B, or have you already told us everything you can?

People were mocking kid A, and when he sat down at his table, kid B said something that led kid A to punch him. That's all I can say.

Ah, one of those scenarios :/
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2/19/2016 7:48:30 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
I don't have enough information on this situation. I don't know how severe the bullying was or what, but I think that if the person being bullied couldn't make the bully feel that same level of "mental pain" through counter-insults then he should be allowed to retaliate in whatever way he can to make the other guy feel equally miserable (in this case, through violence). He should've bloodied the other guy's face to the point where they both look ugly.
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2/19/2016 7:54:52 PM
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That is, if retaliating by doing unto them what they've done to you doesn't affect them then you should be allowed to retaliate in a manner disproportionate to and greater than the offense.
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2/19/2016 8:09:42 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 4:08:10 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:

I don't know all the details but I'd probably view them as both in the wrong. I would neither have sympathy for the bully that was punched or the child that was bullied. They both committed equally wrong actions (as far as I know) and therefore I would not stick up for either or them. The details are pretty vague though, depending on how extreme the situation was I may feel more inclined to defend the person that was bullied.
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2/19/2016 8:29:28 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
4 years ago I heard this girl screaming I ran over to see what the deal was and this bloke yells at me saying she's my girlfriend #*@%. He picked up a lump of concrete and chucked it at me . I blocked it with my hand , well my fingers and it broke 2 of them . And she starts screaming let's just go, let's go. No 1 else seen and they took off , no thanks from her no nothing .

Can someone here give us a . Nice work.

I would run to anyone in trouble,

But really you should have a quick add up of the situation and act accordingly. Like if A punched B there was nothing you could do . But if A was laying into him, tell ya mates to get up now and try stop it .
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2/19/2016 8:43:01 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
You shouldn't have to explain what happened, when you go to school today. Get someone to Bluetooth it to you .