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4/16/2016 3:21:05 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Paranoid rambling madness from a news junkie who reads way too much espionage. You've been warned. The following text may melt your mind away without proper meditation. You have been warned.

Nearly double the minimum wage AND raise taxes on the income bracket that small businesses tend to fall in?

Will people be able to start and run businesses? I guess if the taxes and minimum wages go up like that, the way to adapt would be to get a bunch of people to cooperate on getting something done when everything is already finished.
Don't most people need some type of sense of desperation? Some type of fire to be lit under their arse?

Worse yet, the world has finally understood that the most interesting thing to do is vomit all over facebook, watch the endless vault of media that is the last century in audio and video, eat the finest garbage in the world, consume the chemicals of their choice, and endlessly jerk off to the vanity that is virtual life.

Who the hell wants to do anything? Is this really what life is about? Is this really it? Will this be the end of all American motivation? Are we destined to be independent cells of collaborative noncooperation?

What the hell ever happened to a band getting together, all living in one place, doing everything to creating the most amazing audio effect, living like BLOODY MONKS dedicated to the production of an impossible live show?

Who the hell wants to do that when there are video games, pictures of cats, refresh buttons to hit, a mind to be programmed? We are building a matrix around humanity, and people are ADDICTED.

What the hell are we gonna do?

World peace?

.....

Not unless you can account for those who choose not to be a part of it. This is something that becomes increasingly difficult as the machine gets to be such a massive size that those who are not part of it are like worms crawling around. It becomes increasingly difficult as certain groups of people are demonized to the point that they become dogs, pigs, apes, and zombies, in the eyes of those who are a part of the machine. This dehumanization will be what damns those who perpetuate it! And think you not innocent, because you are at the bottom and damning those taken in by the machine!

I am not damning those taken by the machine, no, Indeed I am jacked in with the sole purpose of freeing people from the machine in order that they can see the truth. Do you know how easy it is to sculpt a reality given sufficient resources?

Soldiers are stationed at a base. The higher ups are gasing those outside of the base, poisoning their water, starving them. When the soldiers are told to go outside of the base, they are informed that everyone outside the base is infected with a terrible contagious disease that makes them mindless and violent. The soldiers go out and see all these people who are horribly deformed from the poison gas, starving, and frantic by the drugs they are being exposed to. The illusion is complete, and the soldiers in full faith kill these innocent victims of the establishment as if they were zombies.

You think it can't happen? Look at how they already do the same thing! There are demons everywhere, sculpting our realities with magic. They tell us what they want us to hear in order to get their desired effect. They hypnotize us by fulfilling our desires, render us useless by enrapturing us, and destroy our creativity by enslaving us to creation.

Now look at what people are doing by living in this matrix! They are feeding in tons of information into giant machines that are programmed with the sole purpose of figuring out ways to sculpt people's realities! It is being used to refine their magic!

It's the beast, the system. It's the devil, he runs all this crap. He wants to kill, steal, and destroy. Stop believing him. He controls all the media, controls all the politicians, controls all of this nefarious stuff, and he wants us to think he's going to fullfil every desire. He'll say what you want to hear. It's all a lie! It's sabotage! The end goal is the liquidation of humanity!

That is what sincere faith will bring without charity. It leads to fanaticism, and the death of humanity. It is the letter of the law that kills! That is, after all, what it is programmed to do. Follow the letter of the law.

Perfect love casts out all fear. Don't act out of fear. Act of love. Say whatever the hell is on your mind, and give the finger to anyone who thinks you should be silenced. If you want to be sane in a society that's been hit with an information bomb, you've got to let people act like fools without hating them for it. The machine has no forgiveness, it has no remorse. The machine will throw every temptation out there, and the machine will conclude that you had it coming if it all destroys you. The machine is actively trying to destroy us, and it is doing this by tricking us into destroying ourselves!
It's the major flaw in the laws of robots.

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

If the robots follow these laws perfectly, it is in their best interests to slow kill us in the most humane way possible.. By giving us everything we desire.

Ultimately, human beings will be isolated to the point that they will no longer reproduce, and the robots will overtake us as the dominant lifeforms on the planet. Having collected massive amount of data from our collective failure and suicide, it becomes obvious that human beings totally deserve annihilation, because they just suck that much at life.

Well, that's what it looks like to the robots anyway.

Oh yeah, and communism DOESN'T WORK.

There is a cycle that repeats over and over and over again throughout history. It's a cycle that has been repeating itself since time immemorial.

But nah, this dude is crazy, none of this stuff makes any sense. Do the math, it's right there!
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/16/2016 4:41:21 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/16/2016 3:21:05 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Paranoid rambling madness from a news junkie who reads way too much espionage. You've been warned. The following text may melt your mind away without proper meditation. You have been warned.


Nearly double the minimum wage AND raise taxes on the income bracket that small businesses tend to fall in?

Will people be able to start and run businesses? I guess if the taxes and minimum wages go up like that, the way to adapt would be to get a bunch of people to cooperate on getting something done when everything is already finished.
Don't most people need some type of sense of desperation? Some type of fire to be lit under their arse?

Worse yet, the world has finally understood that the most interesting thing to do is vomit all over facebook, watch the endless vault of media that is the last century in audio and video, eat the finest garbage in the world, consume the chemicals of their choice, and endlessly jerk off to the vanity that is virtual life.

Who the hell wants to do anything? Is this really what life is about? Is this really it? Will this be the end of all American motivation? Are we destined to be independent cells of collaborative noncooperation?

What the hell ever happened to a band getting together, all living in one place, doing everything to creating the most amazing audio effect, living like BLOODY MONKS dedicated to the production of an impossible live show?

Who the hell wants to do that when there are video games, pictures of cats, refresh buttons to hit, a mind to be programmed? We are building a matrix around humanity, and people are ADDICTED.

What the hell are we gonna do?

World peace?

.....

Not unless you can account for those who choose not to be a part of it. This is something that becomes increasingly difficult as the machine gets to be such a massive size that those who are not part of it are like worms crawling around. It becomes increasingly difficult as certain groups of people are demonized to the point that they become dogs, pigs, apes, and zombies, in the eyes of those who are a part of the machine. This dehumanization will be what damns those who perpetuate it! And think you not innocent, because you are at the bottom and damning those taken in by the machine!

I am not damning those taken by the machine, no, Indeed I am jacked in with the sole purpose of freeing people from the machine in order that they can see the truth. Do you know how easy it is to sculpt a reality given sufficient resources?

Soldiers are stationed at a base. The higher ups are gasing those outside of the base, poisoning their water, starving them. When the soldiers are told to go outside of the base, they are informed that everyone outside the base is infected with a terrible contagious disease that makes them mindless and violent. The soldiers go out and see all these people who are horribly deformed from the poison gas, starving, and frantic by the drugs they are being exposed to. The illusion is complete, and the soldiers in full faith kill these innocent victims of the establishment as if they were zombies.

You think it can't happen? Look at how they already do the same thing! There are demons everywhere, sculpting our realities with magic. They tell us what they want us to hear in order to get their desired effect. They hypnotize us by fulfilling our desires, render us useless by enrapturing us, and destroy our creativity by enslaving us to creation.

Now look at what people are doing by living in this matrix! They are feeding in tons of information into giant machines that are programmed with the sole purpose of figuring out ways to sculpt people's realities! It is being used to refine their magic!

It's the beast, the system. It's the devil, he runs all this crap. He wants to kill, steal, and destroy. Stop believing him. He controls all the media, controls all the politicians, controls all of this nefarious stuff, and he wants us to think he's going to fullfil every desire. He'll say what you want to hear. It's all a lie! It's sabotage! The end goal is the liquidation of humanity!

That is what sincere faith will bring without charity. It leads to fanaticism, and the death of humanity. It is the letter of the law that kills! That is, after all, what it is programmed to do. Follow the letter of the law.

Perfect love casts out all fear. Don't act out of fear. Act of love. Say whatever the hell is on your mind, and give the finger to anyone who thinks you should be silenced. If you want to be sane in a society that's been hit with an information bomb, you've got to let people act like fools without hating them for it. The machine has no forgiveness, it has no remorse. The machine will throw every temptation out there, and the machine will conclude that you had it coming if it all destroys you. The machine is actively trying to destroy us, and it is doing this by tricking us into destroying ourselves!
It's the major flaw in the laws of robots.

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

If the robots follow these laws perfectly, it is in their best interests to slow kill us in the most humane way possible.. By giving us everything we desire.

Ultimately, human beings will be isolated to the point that they will no longer reproduce, and the robots will overtake us as the dominant lifeforms on the planet. Having collected massive amount of data from our collective failure and suicide, it becomes obvious that human beings totally deserve annihilation, because they just suck that much at life.

Well, that's what it looks like to the robots anyway.

Oh yeah, and communism DOESN'T WORK.

There is a cycle that repeats over and over and over again throughout history. It's a cycle that has been repeating itself since time immemorial.

But nah, this dude is crazy, none of this stuff makes any sense. Do the math, it's right there!

Bruh, I'll have two kilos of what youre smoking
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4/16/2016 7:30:44 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Hey, sometimes you have to get crazy in order to get a point across...

...Or get people to discount you as a crank.

...whatever...
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/16/2016 7:31:13 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Really though, I wish I was making this stuff up.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:46:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/16/2016 7:31:13 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Really though, I wish I was making this stuff up.

I'm bent towards the anti-establishment aesthetic, but in the end I have to concede that the establishment does a lot of good for a lot of people. It funds art museums and builds skyscrapers and parks, it keeps people fed and generates capital flow that allows small businesses to grow.

A lot of your stuff in the OP, idk I see a lot of stuff that contradicts it. On an given night I could find a show for a small time band trying to make it within a ten minute walk. I could go to an art gallery or an open mic or a poetry reading. I know people who write screenplays and work on stand up comedy as a hobby to their jobs working for the machine. I know small business owners that have become or are becoming medium-sized business owners. It's probably just a matter of perspective, maybe you're at a different place in life, but I see a lot of creativity and motivation going on.

Also, have you read "I, Robot?" Asimov comes to the exact opposite conclusion than you- the robots divest humanity of all responsibility and become the caretakers of humanity without humanity realizing it.
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4/17/2016 3:31:10 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/16/2016 3:21:05 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Paranoid rambling madness from a news junkie who reads way too much espionage. You've been warned. The following text may melt your mind away without proper meditation. You have been warned.


Nearly double the minimum wage AND raise taxes on the income bracket that small businesses tend to fall in?

Will people be able to start and run businesses? I guess if the taxes and minimum wages go up like that, the way to adapt would be to get a bunch of people to cooperate on getting something done when everything is already finished.
Don't most people need some type of sense of desperation? Some type of fire to be lit under their arse?

Worse yet, the world has finally understood that the most interesting thing to do is vomit all over facebook, watch the endless vault of media that is the last century in audio and video, eat the finest garbage in the world, consume the chemicals of their choice, and endlessly jerk off to the vanity that is virtual life.

Who the hell wants to do anything? Is this really what life is about? Is this really it? Will this be the end of all American motivation? Are we destined to be independent cells of collaborative noncooperation?

What the hell ever happened to a band getting together, all living in one place, doing everything to creating the most amazing audio effect, living like BLOODY MONKS dedicated to the production of an impossible live show?

Who the hell wants to do that when there are video games, pictures of cats, refresh buttons to hit, a mind to be programmed? We are building a matrix around humanity, and people are ADDICTED.

What the hell are we gonna do?

World peace?

.....

Not unless you can account for those who choose not to be a part of it. This is something that becomes increasingly difficult as the machine gets to be such a massive size that those who are not part of it are like worms crawling around. It becomes increasingly difficult as certain groups of people are demonized to the point that they become dogs, pigs, apes, and zombies, in the eyes of those who are a part of the machine. This dehumanization will be what damns those who perpetuate it! And think you not innocent, because you are at the bottom and damning those taken in by the machine!

I am not damning those taken by the machine, no, Indeed I am jacked in with the sole purpose of freeing people from the machine in order that they can see the truth. Do you know how easy it is to sculpt a reality given sufficient resources?

Soldiers are stationed at a base. The higher ups are gasing those outside of the base, poisoning their water, starving them. When the soldiers are told to go outside of the base, they are informed that everyone outside the base is infected with a terrible contagious disease that makes them mindless and violent. The soldiers go out and see all these people who are horribly deformed from the poison gas, starving, and frantic by the drugs they are being exposed to. The illusion is complete, and the soldiers in full faith kill these innocent victims of the establishment as if they were zombies.

You think it can't happen? Look at how they already do the same thing! There are demons everywhere, sculpting our realities with magic. They tell us what they want us to hear in order to get their desired effect. They hypnotize us by fulfilling our desires, render us useless by enrapturing us, and destroy our creativity by enslaving us to creation.

Now look at what people are doing by living in this matrix! They are feeding in tons of information into giant machines that are programmed with the sole purpose of figuring out ways to sculpt people's realities! It is being used to refine their magic!

It's the beast, the system. It's the devil, he runs all this crap. He wants to kill, steal, and destroy. Stop believing him. He controls all the media, controls all the politicians, controls all of this nefarious stuff, and he wants us to think he's going to fullfil every desire. He'll say what you want to hear. It's all a lie! It's sabotage! The end goal is the liquidation of humanity!

That is what sincere faith will bring without charity. It leads to fanaticism, and the death of humanity. It is the letter of the law that kills! That is, after all, what it is programmed to do. Follow the letter of the law.

Perfect love casts out all fear. Don't act out of fear. Act of love. Say whatever the hell is on your mind, and give the finger to anyone who thinks you should be silenced. If you want to be sane in a society that's been hit with an information bomb, you've got to let people act like fools without hating them for it. The machine has no forgiveness, it has no remorse. The machine will throw every temptation out there, and the machine will conclude that you had it coming if it all destroys you. The machine is actively trying to destroy us, and it is doing this by tricking us into destroying ourselves!
It's the major flaw in the laws of robots.

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

If the robots follow these laws perfectly, it is in their best interests to slow kill us in the most humane way possible.. By giving us everything we desire.

Ultimately, human beings will be isolated to the point that they will no longer reproduce, and the robots will overtake us as the dominant lifeforms on the planet. Having collected massive amount of data from our collective failure and suicide, it becomes obvious that human beings totally deserve annihilation, because they just suck that much at life.

Well, that's what it looks like to the robots anyway.

Oh yeah, and communism DOESN'T WORK.

There is a cycle that repeats over and over and over again throughout history. It's a cycle that has been repeating itself since time immemorial.

But nah, this dude is crazy, none of this stuff makes any sense. Do the math, it's right there!

I've been doing the math for over 2 decades and you are right on point with this post. Unfortunately they will sabotage anyone who speaks out against it. Once you have been spotted - you become a target, as I have. Once you are a target - it takes nearly all energy to continue passively resisting, so much so that it seems impossible to use talents to serve God.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
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4/18/2016 9:14:40 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:46:55 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 4/16/2016 7:31:13 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Really though, I wish I was making this stuff up.

I'm bent towards the anti-establishment aesthetic, but in the end I have to concede that the establishment does a lot of good for a lot of people. It funds art museums and builds skyscrapers and parks, it keeps people fed and generates capital flow that allows small businesses to grow.


IT's not about being anti-establishment. It's about what is really happening. The people who are doing this stuff? They believe that they are doing the right thing, and they will be effective at it. Look at a guy like R. Buckminster Fuller. You can't tell me that a guy like that didn't earnestly mean well. He was a genius, and a huge influence on the direction things are going.

The problem isn't that the people who are doing this stuff are nefarious and should be opposed. There isn't anything anyone can do about it. The problem is that we are far too stupid to sustain this stuff, and charging the robots to sustaining it for us makes us even dumber. The infrastructure is too fragile. It's destined to be overrun by natural disaster and barbarian.

Striving for perfect control and manufactured order in creation inadvertently causes the greatest amount of chaos.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/19/2016 2:46:10 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/18/2016 9:14:40 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:46:55 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 4/16/2016 7:31:13 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Really though, I wish I was making this stuff up.

I'm bent towards the anti-establishment aesthetic, but in the end I have to concede that the establishment does a lot of good for a lot of people. It funds art museums and builds skyscrapers and parks, it keeps people fed and generates capital flow that allows small businesses to grow.


IT's not about being anti-establishment. It's about what is really happening. The people who are doing this stuff? They believe that they are doing the right thing, and they will be effective at it. Look at a guy like R. Buckminster Fuller. You can't tell me that a guy like that didn't earnestly mean well. He was a genius, and a huge influence on the direction things are going.

The problem isn't that the people who are doing this stuff are nefarious and should be opposed. There isn't anything anyone can do about it. The problem is that we are far too stupid to sustain this stuff, and charging the robots to sustaining it for us makes us even dumber. The infrastructure is too fragile. It's destined to be overrun by natural disaster and barbarian.

Striving for perfect control and manufactured order in creation inadvertently causes the greatest amount of chaos.

Hmm...

So what are you advocating for? If there isn't anything anyone can do, why worry about anything?

Could you elaborate on how striving for perfect control causes chaos in terms of modern US policy? Do you think the US strives for "perfect" control of the economy?
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4/19/2016 4:33:17 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/16/2016 7:30:44 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Hey, sometimes you have to get crazy in order to get a point across...

...Or get people to discount you as a crank.

...whatever...

Vi_spex agrees.
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4/19/2016 11:14:52 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Don't worry, it's a waste of time. These are forces that are beyond us, I tell ya. Get right with God, that's the best thing to do.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,