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4/25/2016 12:39:00 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Anyone ever taken one? I don't put too much stock in them, but I decided to take one online today, mostly for the giggles.

I took this test:

http://www.iqtest.dk...

It is a Raven's test, and it was actually quite difficult. I'm usually extremely fast at standardized tests (finished every section of the LSAT with a few minutes to go), but I literally had to guess on the last two questions for this because I ran out of time. So, in short, it wasn't easy. I thought I'd pass it along to anyone who is interested in taking a relatively difficult IQ test online. Also, if anyone knows of other decent online tests, feel free to pass them along.
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4/25/2016 1:30:01 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
I was burning through the first half and spent the last 30 minutes BS'ing the last half. I got a 128...

Is this accurate? I suck at pattern recognition, and I was tested to be higher than this. :/
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4/25/2016 1:33:31 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 1:30:01 AM, Opsianos wrote:
I was burning through the first half and spent the last 30 minutes BS'ing the last half. I got a 128...

Is this accurate? I suck at pattern recognition, and I was tested to be higher than this. :/

No idea if it's accurate. All I know is that it surprised me how difficult it was, so I figured it must have some value.
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4/25/2016 1:42:16 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 1:33:31 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 4/25/2016 1:30:01 AM, Opsianos wrote:
I was burning through the first half and spent the last 30 minutes BS'ing the last half. I got a 128...

Is this accurate? I suck at pattern recognition, and I was tested to be higher than this. :/

No idea if it's accurate. All I know is that it surprised me how difficult it was, so I figured it must have some value.

Well, the difference in my self-esteem between then and now is as large as the difference between the IQ I was tested for at school and with this one, lol. Maybe theirs was too easy/lenient to begin with.
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4/25/2016 1:53:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 1:42:16 AM, Opsianos wrote:
Well, the difference in my self-esteem between then and now is as large as the difference between the IQ I was tested for at school and with this one, lol. Maybe theirs was too easy/lenient to begin with.

Was the test at school a Raven's test?

Also, I wouldn't feel too bad, a 128 is a very strong score.
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4/25/2016 1:55:09 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 1:53:08 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 4/25/2016 1:42:16 AM, Opsianos wrote:
Well, the difference in my self-esteem between then and now is as large as the difference between the IQ I was tested for at school and with this one, lol. Maybe theirs was too easy/lenient to begin with.

Was the test at school a Raven's test?

I don't remember since it was two years ago, but I know that it wasn't entirely pattern recognition and it wasn't too hard, unlike this one, lol.
Also, I wouldn't feel too bad, a 128 is a very strong score.

I got 30 points higher on the school test...maybe my brain's degenerating.
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4/25/2016 2:05:45 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 1:55:09 AM, Opsianos wrote:
I got 30 points higher on the school test...maybe my brain's degenerating.

Okay, the test you took at school is almost certainly inaccurate. I think the test might be a standard deviation off (i.e. 15 points), so you could say your IQ might be somewhere in the 140s based on your score of 128. I doubt it's off by 30 points, though. That would be two standard deviations, rendering the test comically worthless.
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4/25/2016 2:07:54 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 2:05:45 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 4/25/2016 1:55:09 AM, Opsianos wrote:
I got 30 points higher on the school test...maybe my brain's degenerating.

Okay, the test you took at school is almost certainly inaccurate. I think the test might be a standard deviation off (i.e. 15 points), so you could say your IQ might be somewhere in the 140s based on your score of 128. I doubt it's off by 30 points, though. That would be two standard deviations, rendering the test comically worthless.

Yeah, that or I'm dumber then. Probably both.

Wow, that's depressing. I'm going to go take another test online to confirm it. It's just a number, but a 30 point difference is still pretty unnerving, lol.
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4/25/2016 2:30:23 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 12:39:00 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Anyone ever taken one? I don't put too much stock in them, but I decided to take one online today, mostly for the giggles.

I took this test:

http://www.iqtest.dk...

It is a Raven's test, and it was actually quite difficult. I'm usually extremely fast at standardized tests (finished every section of the LSAT with a few minutes to go), but I literally had to guess on the last two questions for this because I ran out of time. So, in short, it wasn't easy. I thought I'd pass it along to anyone who is interested in taking a relatively difficult IQ test online. Also, if anyone knows of other decent online tests, feel free to pass them along.

I think they're poor ways to measure "intelligence".
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4/25/2016 7:58:15 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 12:39:00 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
I just took the one you linked. I got 134. I have no idea if that's good or not though.
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4/25/2016 10:18:26 PM
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At 4/25/2016 7:58:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/25/2016 12:39:00 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
I just took the one you linked. I got 134. I have no idea if that's good or not though.

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4/25/2016 11:52:47 PM
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I've never seen anyone on the internet claim less than 120 on an IQ test, internet or otherwise.

I personally don't think IQ tests are useful or relevant but what do I know... I thought about doing an official one so I can circle jerk about it, but ultimately, it's an exercise in ego-stroking.
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4/25/2016 11:55:35 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 12:39:00 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Anyone ever taken one? I don't put too much stock in them, but I decided to take one online today, mostly for the giggles.

I took this test:

http://www.iqtest.dk...

It is a Raven's test, and it was actually quite difficult. I'm usually extremely fast at standardized tests (finished every section of the LSAT with a few minutes to go), but I literally had to guess on the last two questions for this because I ran out of time. So, in short, it wasn't easy. I thought I'd pass it along to anyone who is interested in taking a relatively difficult IQ test online. Also, if anyone knows of other decent online tests, feel free to pass them along.

126. Guessed five of the answers in the last one minute. Pretty sure I got the ones I worked out right.
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4/25/2016 11:58:04 PM
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4/25/2016 11:59:35 PM
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At 4/25/2016 11:52:47 PM, lamerde wrote:
I've never seen anyone on the internet claim less than 120 on an IQ test, internet or otherwise.

I'm sure some people lie about their score... but more likely is that above-average folks take IQ tests more often.

I personally don't think IQ tests are useful or relevant but what do I know... I thought about doing an official one so I can circle jerk about it, but ultimately, it's an exercise in ego-stroking.

I agree that they're not useful. More amusing than anything. I wouldn't call it an exercise in ego-stroking, though, as not everyone scores well. Some of the smartest folks around do poorly sometimes.
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4/26/2016 12:04:15 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 11:55:35 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 4/25/2016 12:39:00 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Anyone ever taken one? I don't put too much stock in them, but I decided to take one online today, mostly for the giggles.

I took this test:

http://www.iqtest.dk...

It is a Raven's test, and it was actually quite difficult. I'm usually extremely fast at standardized tests (finished every section of the LSAT with a few minutes to go), but I literally had to guess on the last two questions for this because I ran out of time. So, in short, it wasn't easy. I thought I'd pass it along to anyone who is interested in taking a relatively difficult IQ test online. Also, if anyone knows of other decent online tests, feel free to pass them along.

126. Guessed five of the answers in the last one minute. Pretty sure I got the ones I worked out right.

I had to guess on the last few as well. I felt like the ones I worked out were right but I figure I must have got some wrong.
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4/26/2016 12:20:11 AM
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Crap! A stupid 123...
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4/26/2016 12:39:15 AM
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At 4/25/2016 11:52:47 PM, lamerde wrote:
I've never seen anyone on the internet claim less than 120 on an IQ test, internet or otherwise.

I personally don't think IQ tests are useful or relevant but what do I know... I thought about doing an official one so I can circle jerk about it, but ultimately, it's an exercise in ego-stroking.

I agree with FT that people who suspect they'd do poorly on IQ tests probably don't take them. We do things that affirm our supposed strengths.
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4/26/2016 12:55:15 AM
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At 4/25/2016 11:59:35 PM, FourTrouble wrote:

I agree that they're not useful. More amusing than anything. I wouldn't call it an exercise in ego-stroking, though, as not everyone scores well. Some of the smartest folks around do poorly sometimes.

I was thinking more along the lines of organizations that require certain scores on IQ tests to be a member :p
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4/26/2016 1:02:53 AM
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At 4/26/2016 12:55:15 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 4/25/2016 11:59:35 PM, FourTrouble wrote:

I agree that they're not useful. More amusing than anything. I wouldn't call it an exercise in ego-stroking, though, as not everyone scores well. Some of the smartest folks around do poorly sometimes.

I was thinking more along the lines of organizations that require certain scores on IQ tests to be a member :p

Some schools require IQ tests of students to admit them into AP programs. That is all kinds of ridiculous.
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4/26/2016 1:04:46 AM
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Some schools require IQ tests of students to admit them into AP programs. That is all kinds of ridiculous.

That's interesting. What's the rationale behind that?
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4/26/2016 1:08:25 AM
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At 4/26/2016 1:04:46 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 4/26/2016 1:02:53 AM, Maikuru wrote:

Some schools require IQ tests of students to admit them into AP programs. That is all kinds of ridiculous.

That's interesting. What's the rationale behind that?

The belief that IQ tests are objective measures of intelligence. This is already a problem, but it was made more so by the fact that IQ tests are expensive to implement, so schools allowed parents to pay for their children to be tested. Obviously, this meant that higher SES families were over represented in these AP programs. The issues with this system spiraled.
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4/26/2016 1:11:55 AM
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At 4/26/2016 1:02:53 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/26/2016 12:55:15 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 4/25/2016 11:59:35 PM, FourTrouble wrote:

I agree that they're not useful. More amusing than anything. I wouldn't call it an exercise in ego-stroking, though, as not everyone scores well. Some of the smartest folks around do poorly sometimes.

I was thinking more along the lines of organizations that require certain scores on IQ tests to be a member :p

Some schools require IQ tests of students to admit them into AP programs. That is all kinds of ridiculous.

Your intelligence equates to your level of proficiency at determining patterns. That sounds legitimate.
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4/26/2016 1:12:45 AM
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At 4/26/2016 1:08:25 AM, Maikuru wrote:

The belief that IQ tests are objective measures of intelligence. This is already a problem, but it was made more so by the fact that IQ tests are expensive to implement, so schools allowed parents to pay for their children to be tested. Obviously, this meant that higher SES families were over represented in these AP programs. The issues with this system spiraled.

This sounds so dumb lol. Not only are [the powers that be] assuming that high scores on an IQ test means you belong in an AP program (and therefore, low scores mean you don't belong), they likely have no way of testing for this because low-IQ-scoring kids wouldn't be admitted to the AP program in the first place in order to compare groups. So it's self-perpetuating. Nice.
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4/26/2016 1:17:32 AM
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At 4/26/2016 1:11:55 AM, Opsianos wrote:
At 4/26/2016 1:02:53 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/26/2016 12:55:15 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 4/25/2016 11:59:35 PM, FourTrouble wrote:

I agree that they're not useful. More amusing than anything. I wouldn't call it an exercise in ego-stroking, though, as not everyone scores well. Some of the smartest folks around do poorly sometimes.

I was thinking more along the lines of organizations that require certain scores on IQ tests to be a member :p

Some schools require IQ tests of students to admit them into AP programs. That is all kinds of ridiculous.

Your intelligence equates to your level of proficiency at determining patterns. That sounds legitimate.

The administrators that implemented the system had a similar perspective on the testing, though it didn't accurately predict students' success in AP programs. It did serve to separate AP and standard programs by race and SES, though. Once the requirement was removed, the divisions faded. If schools are going to implement advanced tracking, they are better offer using more inclusive measures to determine placement.
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4/26/2016 1:20:47 AM
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At 4/26/2016 1:12:45 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 4/26/2016 1:08:25 AM, Maikuru wrote:

The belief that IQ tests are objective measures of intelligence. This is already a problem, but it was made more so by the fact that IQ tests are expensive to implement, so schools allowed parents to pay for their children to be tested. Obviously, this meant that higher SES families were over represented in these AP programs. The issues with this system spiraled.

This sounds so dumb lol. Not only are [the powers that be] assuming that high scores on an IQ test means you belong in an AP program (and therefore, low scores mean you don't belong), they likely have no way of testing for this because low-IQ-scoring kids wouldn't be admitted to the AP program in the first place in order to compare groups. So it's self-perpetuating. Nice.

Do I smell a quasi-experimental design in the works?
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4/26/2016 1:26:44 AM
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At 4/26/2016 1:20:47 AM, Maikuru wrote:

Do I smell a quasi-experimental design in the works?

lol There's gotta be one already, somewhere... for example, McGill University doesn't do standardized testing (e.g., GRE scores, LSATS) and it's considered one of the best schools in Canada. Who determined standardized testing was an effective measure of how well someone will do in grad school and beyond, and how do we test for it if we don't admit students who do poorly? McGill must have figured it out though...
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4/26/2016 1:29:22 AM
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At 4/26/2016 1:26:44 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 4/26/2016 1:20:47 AM, Maikuru wrote:

Do I smell a quasi-experimental design in the works?

lol There's gotta be one already, somewhere... for example, McGill University doesn't do standardized testing (e.g., GRE scores, LSATS) and it's considered one of the best schools in Canada. Who determined standardized testing was an effective measure of how well someone will do in grad school and beyond, and how do we test for it if we don't admit students who do poorly? McGill must have figured it out though...

I've seen tests comparing students who do and don't take the SATs, which is doable because only some states require it. I don't know if it predicts success, but I think it predicts longevity in programs? I'll have to check.
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