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8/15/2016 2:02:52 AM
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As is generally common knowledge, parental influence on their children early in life has a significant impact on their political affiliation and religion later in life. So much so that some people accuse parents of "indoctrinating" their children. However, we can all ponder the question if we would do the same as so many have before us. If you had children, how would you influence them? Would you "force" them to join your religious and/or ideological affiliation? Would you simply just encourage it? Or would you try to not influence them at all and let them decide based on the outside world? Also, if you found out your child has chosen a different ideology and/or religion than you, would you try to "convert" them back? Discuss.
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8/15/2016 2:27:52 AM
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Well my father was a registered Republican, and my mother is a registered Democrat. Both were raised in Catholic families but my father wasn't really active in religious things during his life, whereas my mother has always been a weekly churchgoer.

I'm an existential nihilist and apatheist and ardent socialist. Interesting outcome I'll say.
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8/15/2016 2:56:38 AM
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At 8/15/2016 2:02:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
As is generally common knowledge, parental influence on their children early in life has a significant impact on their political affiliation and religion later in life. So much so that some people accuse parents of "indoctrinating" their children. However, we can all ponder the question if we would do the same as so many have before us. If you had children, how would you influence them? Would you "force" them to join your religious and/or ideological affiliation? Would you simply just encourage it? Or would you try to not influence them at all and let them decide based on the outside world? Also, if you found out your child has chosen a different ideology and/or religion than you, would you try to "convert" them back? Discuss.

If my children become nihilists, SJWs, Socialists, or follow any movement that I really despise, then there will be problems.
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8/15/2016 3:06:53 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/15/2016 2:02:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
As is generally common knowledge, parental influence on their children early in life has a significant impact on their political affiliation and religion later in life. So much so that some people accuse parents of "indoctrinating" their children. However, we can all ponder the question if we would do the same as so many have before us. If you had children, how would you influence them? Would you "force" them to join your religious and/or ideological affiliation? Would you simply just encourage it? Or would you try to not influence them at all and let them decide based on the outside world? Also, if you found out your child has chosen a different ideology and/or religion than you, would you try to "convert" them back? Discuss.

I think about this a lot.

My hope is that teach my kids how to solve problems, be intellectually honest, and learn humility and respect for people who disagree with them. I want to expose them to a broad range of ideas and cultural experiences.

With that I need to acknowledge that they will likely wind up believing things I don't agree with, the will likely develop tastes and preferences that are different from mine. Part of having intellectual humility and respect is acknowledging that likelihood and accepting it. I actually think it is a good thing- I am sure that I am wrong about a great many things, and hopefully my kids will take the best of what I teach them and figure out where I am wrong.

That being said, children and young adults are not autonomous, they need to be raised. From that point of view, yes I will try and instill values and beliefs that I think are correct. Even so, you can lead a horse to water and all that. Especially for teenagers, there is only so much you can do if they are interested in something. The hard questions for me are what will I do if say, I have a daughter that is attending a youth group that teaches that women's role in society is strictly governing the private sphere. I think this is a very damaging philosophy for a teenage girl to hear- would I prohibit her from attending the group? or would I simply ensure she had other activities that reinforced countervailing values such as Model U.N. or involvement in student government? I'm inclined to think the later, but either way I probably would not be hands off.

But once they are adults, I will do my best to always prioritize maintaining strong relationships even if they are making decisions I strongly disagree with.
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8/15/2016 4:12:05 AM
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At 8/15/2016 2:56:38 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 8/15/2016 2:02:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
As is generally common knowledge, parental influence on their children early in life has a significant impact on their political affiliation and religion later in life. So much so that some people accuse parents of "indoctrinating" their children. However, we can all ponder the question if we would do the same as so many have before us. If you had children, how would you influence them? Would you "force" them to join your religious and/or ideological affiliation? Would you simply just encourage it? Or would you try to not influence them at all and let them decide based on the outside world? Also, if you found out your child has chosen a different ideology and/or religion than you, would you try to "convert" them back? Discuss.

If my children become nihilists, SJWs, Socialists, or follow any movement that I really despise, then there will be problems.

You seriously care that much about ideology?
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8/15/2016 4:29:35 AM
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At 8/15/2016 4:12:05 AM, Epica wrote:
At 8/15/2016 2:56:38 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 8/15/2016 2:02:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
As is generally common knowledge, parental influence on their children early in life has a significant impact on their political affiliation and religion later in life. So much so that some people accuse parents of "indoctrinating" their children. However, we can all ponder the question if we would do the same as so many have before us. If you had children, how would you influence them? Would you "force" them to join your religious and/or ideological affiliation? Would you simply just encourage it? Or would you try to not influence them at all and let them decide based on the outside world? Also, if you found out your child has chosen a different ideology and/or religion than you, would you try to "convert" them back? Discuss.

If my children become nihilists, SJWs, Socialists, or follow any movement that I really despise, then there will be problems.

You seriously care that much about ideology?

No, it was a joke. Children are free to believe what they would like, but I will guide mine towards my own values. That's the point of parents, isn't it?
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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8/15/2016 1:30:30 PM
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At 8/15/2016 2:02:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
As is generally common knowledge, parental influence on their children early in life has a significant impact on their political affiliation and religion later in life. So much so that some people accuse parents of "indoctrinating" their children. However, we can all ponder the question if we would do the same as so many have before us. If you had children, how would you influence them? Would you "force" them to join your religious and/or ideological affiliation? Would you simply just encourage it? Or would you try to not influence them at all and let them decide based on the outside world? Also, if you found out your child has chosen a different ideology and/or religion than you, would you try to "convert" them back? Discuss.

I would probably encourage my kids to believe what I did, but I'd never force them to. So...basically I'd be kinda like my parents I guess...
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8/16/2016 2:21:03 AM
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At 8/15/2016 2:02:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
As is generally common knowledge, parental influence on their children early in life has a significant impact on their political affiliation and religion later in life. So much so that some people accuse parents of "indoctrinating" their children. However, we can all ponder the question if we would do the same as so many have before us. If you had children, how would you influence them? Would you "force" them to join your religious and/or ideological affiliation? Would you simply just encourage it? Or would you try to not influence them at all and let them decide based on the outside world? Also, if you found out your child has chosen a different ideology and/or religion than you, would you try to "convert" them back? Discuss.

Teach your children how to think critically for themselves. Research every side of the argument with them and discuss how to find out what is true using logic and reason.

That's what I did with my kids.
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8/16/2016 2:27:27 AM
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The difference between a child being influenced by their parents and being influenced by govt is that a child can at adulthood make up their own minds about their parents views on religion and politics where as if govt does it they will be persecuted, shamed and possibly even killed for the rest of their lives if they don't tow the govt line.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

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8/17/2016 3:51:32 AM
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I'll just point out that I'm probably the only right winger I know in my family who knows a decent amount about politics.

Essentially, parents are not the only influence on a child.
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8/17/2016 2:41:32 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/16/2016 2:21:03 AM, matt8800 wrote:
Research every side of the argument with them and discuss how to find out what is true using logic and reason.
That's what I did with my kids.

I wish my parents would do that with me...
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8/17/2016 2:56:46 PM
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At 8/17/2016 2:41:32 PM, I_Wanna_Rawk wrote:
At 8/16/2016 2:21:03 AM, matt8800 wrote:
Research every side of the argument with them and discuss how to find out what is true using logic and reason.
That's what I did with my kids.

I wish my parents would do that with me...

Here are some great videos that break down the basics of critical thought and philosophy in an easy and entertaining way - https://www.youtube.com...

I just watched a few with my 18 year old son last night.
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8/17/2016 3:19:11 PM
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At 8/17/2016 2:56:46 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 8/17/2016 2:41:32 PM, I_Wanna_Rawk wrote:
At 8/16/2016 2:21:03 AM, matt8800 wrote:
Research every side of the argument with them and discuss how to find out what is true using logic and reason.
That's what I did with my kids.

I wish my parents would do that with me...

Here are some great videos that break down the basics of critical thought and philosophy in an easy and entertaining way - https://www.youtube.com...

I just watched a few with my 18 year old son last night.

I was thinking more the part about using logic and reason, but thanks anyway. I'll check them out.
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8/17/2016 3:54:33 PM
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At 8/17/2016 3:19:11 PM, I_Wanna_Rawk wrote:
At 8/17/2016 2:56:46 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 8/17/2016 2:41:32 PM, I_Wanna_Rawk wrote:
At 8/16/2016 2:21:03 AM, matt8800 wrote:
Research every side of the argument with them and discuss how to find out what is true using logic and reason.
That's what I did with my kids.

I wish my parents would do that with me...

Here are some great videos that break down the basics of critical thought and philosophy in an easy and entertaining way - https://www.youtube.com...

I just watched a few with my 18 year old son last night.

I was thinking more the part about using logic and reason, but thanks anyway. I'll check them out.

The philosophy section does a lot with teaching critical thought. Its very good and I think it is something every young person should be taught. If you are looking to start with the basics on logic and reason, that is a great place to start.
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8/17/2016 4:16:46 PM
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At 8/17/2016 3:54:33 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 8/17/2016 3:19:11 PM, I_Wanna_Rawk wrote:
At 8/17/2016 2:56:46 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 8/17/2016 2:41:32 PM, I_Wanna_Rawk wrote:
At 8/16/2016 2:21:03 AM, matt8800 wrote:
Research every side of the argument with them and discuss how to find out what is true using logic and reason.
That's what I did with my kids.

I wish my parents would do that with me...

Here are some great videos that break down the basics of critical thought and philosophy in an easy and entertaining way - https://www.youtube.com...

I just watched a few with my 18 year old son last night.

I was thinking more the part about using logic and reason, but thanks anyway. I'll check them out.

The philosophy section does a lot with teaching critical thought. Its very good and I think it is something every young person should be taught. If you are looking to start with the basics on logic and reason, that is a great place to start.
I meant using it when we disagree about something. I always use logic to back up my claim but it always ends in a "because I told you so"
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8/17/2016 5:14:51 PM
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At 8/15/2016 2:02:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
As is generally common knowledge, parental influence on their children early in life has a significant impact on their political affiliation and religion later in life. So much so that some people accuse parents of "indoctrinating" their children. However, we can all ponder the question if we would do the same as so many have before us. If you had children, how would you influence them? Would you "force" them to join your religious and/or ideological affiliation? Would you simply just encourage it? Or would you try to not influence them at all and let them decide based on the outside world? Also, if you found out your child has chosen a different ideology and/or religion than you, would you try to "convert" them back? Discuss.

Politically it isn't important. I may debate or discuss with them, but their politics don't matter to me. For religion, it would have to depend on my wife and her view on religion. I'm religious, but I'm not one that will go to church every single day, probably because I work on the weekends. I guess you could say more of an introduction and encouraging Christianity rather than force it.
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