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innomen
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3/1/2011 4:03:38 PM
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If your pet and a stranger were drowning, or dying in some way at the same time, and you had the opportunity to save one or the other, which would you choose?
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3/1/2011 4:07:14 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:03:38 PM, innomen wrote:
If your pet and a stranger were drowning, or dying in some way at the same time, and you had the opportunity to save one or the other, which would you choose?

it'd want to be bill gates and thus not technically a stranger to me before i'd save him over my dog..
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3/1/2011 4:07:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Stranger.

Nevermind that he could be some crazy killer that is trying to assassinate Flipper. I'm willing to take the risk.

I put more value on sentient life than a cat... No matter how cute and fuzzy.
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3/1/2011 4:08:10 PM
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Depends on which one is closest or easier to save. The quicker the response, the less trauma to the victim and the bigger the chance they will survive.
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3/1/2011 4:09:26 PM
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Save the stranger. According to my value system, it is not enough to tolerate the pariah, but one must embrace him as a brother.
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3/1/2011 4:11:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/1/2011 4:03:38 PM, innomen wrote:
If your pet and a stranger were drowning, or dying in some way at the same time, and you had the opportunity to save one or the other, which would you choose?:

I don't think anyone could answer that hypothetical with any measure of honesty unless being in the situation. There's also a lot of factors to consider -- the psychology of it.

Suppose it was 400 lbs man and attempting to save him would not only jeopardize your pet but also yourself.

I think it would depend on a lot of unknown variables.
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3/1/2011 4:12:02 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:11:03 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:03:38 PM, innomen wrote:
If your pet and a stranger were drowning, or dying in some way at the same time, and you had the opportunity to save one or the other, which would you choose?:

I don't think anyone could answer that hypothetical with any measure of honesty unless being in the situation. There's also a lot of factors to consider -- the psychology of it.

Suppose it was 400 lbs man and attempting to save him would not only jeopardize your pet but also yourself.

I think it would depend on a lot of unknown variables.

like whether or not the person looked wealthy!
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3/1/2011 4:12:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/1/2011 4:11:03 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:03:38 PM, innomen wrote:
If your pet and a stranger were drowning, or dying in some way at the same time, and you had the opportunity to save one or the other, which would you choose?:

I don't think anyone could answer that hypothetical with any measure of honesty unless being in the situation. There's also a lot of factors to consider -- the psychology of it.

Suppose it was 400 lbs man and attempting to save him would not only jeopardize your pet but also yourself.

I think it would depend on a lot of unknown variables.

You have to assume the premise is true to debate the conclusion. The premise is "you have the opportunity to save one or the other, now choose"
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3/1/2011 4:14:05 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:11:03 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:03:38 PM, innomen wrote:
If your pet and a stranger were drowning, or dying in some way at the same time, and you had the opportunity to save one or the other, which would you choose?:

I don't think anyone could answer that hypothetical with any measure of honesty unless being in the situation. There's also a lot of factors to consider -- the psychology of it.

Suppose it was 400 lbs man and attempting to save him would not only jeopardize your pet but also yourself.

I think it would depend on a lot of unknown variables.

It was a question posed to 500 Americans and the majority chose their pet.
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3/1/2011 4:14:13 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:07:19 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Stranger.

Nevermind that he could be some crazy killer that is trying to assassinate Flipper. I'm willing to take the risk.

I put more value on sentient life than a cat... No matter how cute and fuzzy.

cats are sentient...
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3/1/2011 4:14:46 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:12:54 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:11:03 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:03:38 PM, innomen wrote:
If your pet and a stranger were drowning, or dying in some way at the same time, and you had the opportunity to save one or the other, which would you choose?:

I don't think anyone could answer that hypothetical with any measure of honesty unless being in the situation. There's also a lot of factors to consider -- the psychology of it.

Suppose it was 400 lbs man and attempting to save him would not only jeopardize your pet but also yourself.

I think it would depend on a lot of unknown variables.

You have to assume the premise is true to debate the conclusion. The premise is "you have the opportunity to save one or the other, now choose"

thx
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3/1/2011 4:16:23 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:14:47 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
If it was a cute girl...I'd save the stranger. In a heartbeat ;)

when you could wait til she drowned and have sex with her dead body!? you'd lose your dog for the chance of being shot down!?

If it was some fat old guy, fück it, I love my dog.
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3/1/2011 4:17:16 PM
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like whether or not the person looked wealthy!:

Yes! I don't think people quite understand how powerful perceptions are. They make all the difference, and psychological tests support that.
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3/1/2011 4:18:07 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:16:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:14:47 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
If it was a cute girl...I'd save the stranger. In a heartbeat ;)

when you could wait til she drowned and have sex with her dead body!? you'd lose your dog for the chance of being shot down!?

If he just saved her, I doubt she'd turn him down. She was a damsel in distress and he was her White Knight. Girls love that sh!t.
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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3/1/2011 4:18:24 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:14:13 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:07:19 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Stranger.

Nevermind that he could be some crazy killer that is trying to assassinate Flipper. I'm willing to take the risk.

I put more value on sentient life than a cat... No matter how cute and fuzzy.

cats are sentient...

Cats are also hedonistic beasts who latch onto a host, and control them via a hypnotic phenomena I have dubbed, "cat waves".
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3/1/2011 4:18:54 PM
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You have to assume the premise is true to debate the conclusion. The premise is "you have the opportunity to save one or the other, now choose":

In the real world people evaluate things, so I'm just trying to answer the question as honestly as I can.
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3/1/2011 4:19:15 PM
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It was a question posed to 500 Americans and the majority chose their pet.:

That doesn't surprise me.
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3/1/2011 4:19:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/1/2011 4:17:16 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
like whether or not the person looked wealthy!:

Yes! I don't think people quite understand how powerful perceptions are. They make all the difference, and psychological tests support that.

True, but for the sake of clear answers, shouldn't we just assume that the two have equal chance of being saved and appearances/emotional connections are irrelevant?
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3/1/2011 4:19:54 PM
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My pet.

Maybe the stranger has done more of value, but idk. All I know is my pet, and assuming my pet does nothing to earn negative value, I would place more value on him then a random stranger, since he has earned it more, as far as I can tell.
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3/1/2011 4:20:26 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:14:47 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
If it was a cute girl...I'd save the stranger. In a heartbeat ;)

If it was some fat old guy, fück it, I love my dog.:

See what I mean?

Kenyon isn't alone in thinking this way. I'm telling you all now that it would depend on a lot of different factors.
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3/1/2011 4:20:53 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:18:07 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:16:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:14:47 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
If it was a cute girl...I'd save the stranger. In a heartbeat ;)

when you could wait til she drowned and have sex with her dead body!? you'd lose your dog for the chance of being shot down!?

If he just saved her, I doubt she'd turn him down. She was a damsel in distress and he was her White Knight. Girls love that sh!t.

Not me.
Without Royal there is a hole inside of me, I have no choice but to leave
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3/1/2011 4:21:30 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:18:24 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:14:13 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:07:19 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Stranger.

Nevermind that he could be some crazy killer that is trying to assassinate Flipper. I'm willing to take the risk.

I put more value on sentient life than a cat... No matter how cute and fuzzy.

cats are sentient...

Cats are also hedonistic beasts who latch onto a host, and control them via a hypnotic phenomena I have dubbed, "cat waves".

they're just so cute!
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3/1/2011 4:22:21 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:20:53 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:18:07 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:16:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:14:47 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
If it was a cute girl...I'd save the stranger. In a heartbeat ;)

when you could wait til she drowned and have sex with her dead body!? you'd lose your dog for the chance of being shot down!?

If he just saved her, I doubt she'd turn him down. She was a damsel in distress and he was her White Knight. Girls love that sh!t.

Not me.

Why?
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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3/1/2011 4:23:57 PM
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It is a comparison of an animal that you know versus a person you do not know. Imagine if you cannot see anything and therefore cannot perceive the stranger. Besides if you can make an assumption about the person, it would no longer be an unknown stranger.
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3/1/2011 4:25:58 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:22:21 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:20:53 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:18:07 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:16:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:14:47 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
If it was a cute girl...I'd save the stranger. In a heartbeat ;)

when you could wait til she drowned and have sex with her dead body!? you'd lose your dog for the chance of being shot down!?

If he just saved her, I doubt she'd turn him down. She was a damsel in distress and he was her White Knight. Girls love that sh!t.

Not me.

Why?

idk, depends on the situation, but I hate being in distress, I'd rather solve the situation myself. And most of the time "White Knights" tend to view you as weak for sooo long after. I'd rather drown. course then I know he wouldn't have known that and could have just been trying to help like a nice guy, then I'd feel so bad I'd REALLY want to die....it just causes too much mental harm on myself to need physical help, especially if I get it.
I am kinda sorry to say tho even if my life is saved I wouldn't fvck a stranger.
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3/1/2011 4:26:06 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:18:07 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:16:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:14:47 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
If it was a cute girl...I'd save the stranger. In a heartbeat ;)

when you could wait til she drowned and have sex with her dead body!? you'd lose your dog for the chance of being shot down!?

If he just saved her, I doubt she'd turn him down. She was a damsel in distress and he was her White Knight. Girls love that sh!t.

i suppose they probably do.. evolutionary trait? probably tied in with how they like fellas who're always fighting?
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3/1/2011 4:26:27 PM
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At 3/1/2011 4:26:06 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:18:07 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:16:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/1/2011 4:14:47 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
If it was a cute girl...I'd save the stranger. In a heartbeat ;)

when you could wait til she drowned and have sex with her dead body!? you'd lose your dog for the chance of being shot down!?

If he just saved her, I doubt she'd turn him down. She was a damsel in distress and he was her White Knight. Girls love that sh!t.

i suppose they probably do.. evolutionary trait? probably tied in with how they like fellas who're always fighting?

keep 'em safe kinda thing?
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