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3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?
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3/31/2011 2:21:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

define smoothly.
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3/31/2011 2:26:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 2:21:11 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

define smoothly.

Without breaking down.
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3/31/2011 4:03:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
No. Nihilist tend go for something along the lines of social expediency or egoism which tend to have you do more or less the same sort of stuff, without the crappy heavy handed moralizing.
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3/31/2011 4:50:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 2:26:16 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:21:11 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

define smoothly.

Without breaking down.

that's what the law is for.
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3/31/2011 4:54:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 4:50:38 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:26:16 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:21:11 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

define smoothly.

Without breaking down.

that's what the law is for.

i suppose that's a kind of morality? if so, i say yes.
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3/31/2011 5:07:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Morality is naturally going to be there are people begin to realize that sometimes the most selfish thing you can do is be selfless, and sometimes the most selfless thing you can do is be selfish.

Interpersonal morality is merely the fine art of social physics in action.
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3/31/2011 5:17:33 PM
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At 3/31/2011 5:07:33 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Morality is naturally going to be there are people begin to realize that sometimes the most selfish thing you can do is be selfless, and sometimes the most selfless thing you can do is be selfish.

Interpersonal morality is merely the fine art of social physics in action.

this sh1t again?
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3/31/2011 5:50:07 PM
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I find it shocking that someone can react negatively to the simple truth that doing good can have positive repercussions. >.>
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3/31/2011 5:59:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
and um.. By doing good, I mean doing things for other people. Not good in the moral sense.

Also, I made a slight typo, pardon. Also, pay attention to these words..

At 3/31/2011 5:07:33 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Morality is naturally going to be there as people begin to realize that sometimes the most selfish thing you can do is be selfless, and sometimes the most selfless thing you can do is be selfish.

Interpersonal morality is merely the fine art of social physics in action.

Obviously, there is an art to it. Don't lend heroin addicts money.
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3/31/2011 7:06:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 6:02:59 PM, badger wrote:
i was talking about the selfish/selfless bullsh1t. interpersonal what now?

Yes, I'm fully aware that you don't know what I'm talking about. >.>
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3/31/2011 8:19:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 4:50:38 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:26:16 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:21:11 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

define smoothly.

Without breaking down.

that's what the law is for.

The law cannot come into the picture in every situation. And the law is mainly for settling disputes, resolving conflicts, those kind of things.

The law doesn't require you to be "good". Just that you don't be bad.
You will say that I don't really know you
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3/31/2011 8:22:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 4:03:23 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
No. Nihilist tend go for something along the lines of social expediency or egoism which tend to have you do more or less the same sort of stuff, without the crappy heavy handed moralizing.

So would egoism help in maintaining the social order? I somehow cannot resolve myself to the fact that a person in power behaving egoistically will be good for society.
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3/31/2011 11:29:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 5:59:58 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
and um.. By doing good, I mean doing things for other people. Not good in the moral sense.
In other words, you're just trying to fuzz our brains with poor word choice.
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4/1/2011 11:20:07 PM
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At 3/31/2011 8:22:42 PM, Indophile wrote:
So would egoism help in maintaining the social order? I somehow cannot resolve myself to the fact that a person in power behaving egoistically will be good for society.

"The Einzige is Stirner's term for the genuine Ego. Napoleon was not altogether such, but how much he lacked is immaterial to my reply. He had a number of propensities which certainly could not be argued away. Whatever he was, he was taken as an idol, deified and served by the unegoistic devotion of others who did the slaughtering and pillaging. To accomplish all this mischief it was necessary that there be national spirit and a variety of other bate-breeding superstitions, not only in France, but in the antagonistic countries." - Tak Kak
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4/1/2011 11:21:12 PM
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What would strong men and governments be without dutiful worshippers in the mass of mankind?
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4/3/2011 11:10:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 7:06:05 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:02:59 PM, badger wrote:
i was talking about the selfish/selfless bullsh1t. interpersonal what now?

Yes, I'm fully aware that you don't know what I'm talking about. >.>

whatever, buddy. sounds like sh1t to me.
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4/3/2011 11:29:04 AM
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At 3/31/2011 8:19:27 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 3/31/2011 4:50:38 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:26:16 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:21:11 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

define smoothly.

Without breaking down.

that's what the law is for.

The law cannot come into the picture in every situation. And the law is mainly for settling disputes, resolving conflicts, those kind of things.

The law doesn't require you to be "good". Just that you don't be bad.

well we're only really getting over the joys of the last morality what with homosexuality being accepted and all those paedophile rings being exposed. what kinda morality are you suggesting?
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4/3/2011 11:32:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 11:29:09 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/31/2011 5:59:58 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
and um.. By doing good, I mean doing things for other people. Not good in the moral sense.
In other words, you're just trying to fuzz our brains with poor word choice.

It was poor word choice. >.<
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4/3/2011 6:59:20 PM
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At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

No.
Mutual self-interest for the win.
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4/3/2011 7:06:18 PM
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At 4/3/2011 6:59:20 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

No.
Mutual self-interest for the win.

depending on who you ask, that *is* morality lol.

also i assume you mean something along the lines of rational self interest? (ie realization that it can be in your interest to serve another's interest, etc) since mutual self interest seems like a contradiction in terms?
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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4/3/2011 7:16:47 PM
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At 4/3/2011 7:06:18 PM, belle wrote:
At 4/3/2011 6:59:20 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

No.
Mutual self-interest for the win.

depending on who you ask, that *is* morality lol.

Really? o.O;
Those people are cool then.
*thumbs up*

also i assume you mean something along the lines of rational self interest? (ie realization that it can be in your interest to serve another's interest, etc) since mutual self interest seems like a contradiction in terms?

Exactly. Mutual self-interest in the sense that working together, we are able to achieve an exponential amount more.
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4/4/2011 10:50:14 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/1/2011 11:21:12 PM, Reasoning wrote:
What would strong men and governments be without dutiful worshippers in the mass of mankind?

You are totally negating things like charisma, personality, charm, public skills, etc. Is it the case with you that any such followers are basically stupid?
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4/4/2011 10:51:36 AM
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At 4/3/2011 11:29:04 AM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 8:19:27 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 3/31/2011 4:50:38 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:26:16 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:21:11 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

define smoothly.

Without breaking down.

that's what the law is for.

The law cannot come into the picture in every situation. And the law is mainly for settling disputes, resolving conflicts, those kind of things.

The law doesn't require you to be "good". Just that you don't be bad.

well we're only really getting over the joys of the last morality what with homosexuality being accepted and all those paedophile rings being exposed. what kinda morality are you suggesting?

I really didn't understand this sentence!

Anyway, "morality" just means doing the good thing/not doing the bad thing when no one's looking.
You will say that I don't really know you
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4/4/2011 10:52:27 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 6:59:20 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:54:22 PM, Indophile wrote:
Continuation from the other thread.

Irrespective of whether morality exists objectively or subjectively, or not at all. Does society need morality to function smoothly?

No.
Mutual self-interest for the win.

Mutual self-interest. Two people. Might be harmful for a 3rd person?
You will say that I don't really know you
And it will be true.