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comoncents
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4/4/2011 8:09:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Rutgers Pays Snooki More Than Toni Morrison For Appearance


Shame on Rutgers University?
or not?

What do you think?

Does this say something about the consciousness of american universities?

Is education setting our youth up for the nurturing of the soul (Plato) or to follow the unbalanced passions of the flesh?

"(SW.)tett£rwn d¾ toÚtwn oÙsîn [sc. tîn tecnîn]... ¹ kolakeutik¾ a„sqomšnh - oÙ gnoàsa lšgw ¢ll¦ stocasamšnh - tštraca ˜aut¾n diane…masa, Øpodàsa ØpÕ ›kaston tîn mor…wn, prospoie‹tai enai toàto Óper Øpšdu, kaˆ toà mn belt…stou oÙdn front…zei, tù d ¢eˆ ¹d…stJ qhreÚetai t¾n ¥noian kaˆ ™xapat´, éste doke‹ ple…stou ¢x…a enai. ØpÕ mn t¾n „atrik¾n ¹ Ñyopoiik¾ Øpodšduken, kaˆ prospoie‹tai t¦ bšltista sit…a tù sèmati e„dšnai, ést' e„ dšoi ™n paisˆ diagwn…zesqai ÑyopoiÒn te kaˆ „atrÒn, À ™n ¢ndr£sin oÛtwj ¢no»toij ésper oƒ pa‹dej, pÒteroj ™pa…ei perˆ tîn crhstîn sit…wn kaˆ ponhrîn, Ð „atrÕj À Ð ÑyopoiÒj, limù ¨n ¢poqane‹n tÕn „atrÒn. (464c3-e2)

(So.) These then are the four parts ... Now flattery takes notice of them, and - I won't say by knowing, but only by guessing - divides itself into four, masks itself with each of the parts, and then pretends to be the characters of the masks. It takes no thought at all of whatever is best; with the lure of what is pleasant at the moment it sniffs out folly and hoodwinks it, so that it gives the impression of being most deserving. Pastry baking has put on the mask of medicine, and pretends to know the foods that are best for the body, so that if a pastry baker and a doctor had to compete in front of children, or in front of men just as foolish as children, to determine which of the two, the doctor or the pastry baker, had expert knowledge of good food and bad, the doctor would die of starvation."

http://newsone.com...

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innomen
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4/4/2011 8:39:15 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/4/2011 8:09:45 AM, comoncents wrote:
Rutgers Pays Snooki More Than Toni Morrison For Appearance


Shame on Rutgers University?
or not?

What do you think?

Does this say something about the consciousness of american universities?

Is education setting our youth up for the nurturing of the soul (Plato) or to follow the unbalanced passions of the flesh?

"(SW.)tett£rwn d¾ toÚtwn oÙsîn [sc. tîn tecnîn]... ¹ kolakeutik¾ a„sqomšnh - oÙ gnoàsa lšgw ¢ll¦ stocasamšnh - tštraca ˜aut¾n diane…masa, Øpodàsa ØpÕ ›kaston tîn mor…wn, prospoie‹tai e�nai toàto Óper Øpšdu, kaˆ toà m�n belt…stou oÙd�n front…zei, tù d� ¢eˆ ¹d…stJ qhreÚetai t¾n ¥noian kaˆ ™xapat´, éste doke‹ ple…stou ¢x…a e�nai. ØpÕ m�n t¾n „atrik¾n ¹ Ñyopoiik¾ Øpodšduken, kaˆ prospoie‹tai t¦ bšltista sit…a tù sèmati e„dšnai, ést' e„ dšoi ™n paisˆ diagwn…zesqai ÑyopoiÒn te kaˆ „atrÒn, À ™n ¢ndr£sin oÛtwj ¢no»toij ésper oƒ pa‹dej, pÒteroj ™pa…ei perˆ tîn crhstîn sit…wn kaˆ ponhrîn, Ð „atrÕj À Ð ÑyopoiÒj, limù ¨n ¢poqane‹n tÕn „atrÒn. (464c3-e2)

(So.) These then are the four parts ... Now flattery takes notice of them, and - I won't say by knowing, but only by guessing - divides itself into four, masks itself with each of the parts, and then pretends to be the characters of the masks. It takes no thought at all of whatever is best; with the lure of what is pleasant at the moment it sniffs out folly and hoodwinks it, so that it gives the impression of being most deserving. Pastry baking has put on the mask of medicine, and pretends to know the foods that are best for the body, so that if a pastry baker and a doctor had to compete in front of children, or in front of men just as foolish as children, to determine which of the two, the doctor or the pastry baker, had expert knowledge of good food and bad, the doctor would die of starvation."

http://newsone.com...


Let me know what you think?

Common, this was a pretty shoddy post, and my Cyrillic is a little rusty.
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4/4/2011 8:43:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Yeah, all my friends were b!tching about this on Facebook. I think it's appalling. Do you know if it was a student group that chose to get Snooki, or the administration? Even though it's a pretty sad reality that Snooki is getting more money, Toni could have always asked for more money or refused (though I guess she didn't know how much Snooki would be making).

I've told you people before that my entire educational experience has been plagued by my classmates LITERALLY being clones of the Jersey Shore cast. Well now maybe you will take my complaint seriously lol I can't get away from these people >.< One thing I will say though is that I'm pissed black people are playing the race card on this issue. It has NOTHING to do with race. It has to do with the fact that Snooki is more well known, popular and (unfortunately) culturally relevant than Morrison. If it was Flava Flav then what? Some re-re in the comments section of that link wrote "Rutgers is a mostly white school" as if that has anything to do with anything. Rutgers is actually THEE most diverse school in the nation (http://www.usnews.com...).
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4/4/2011 8:50:24 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/4/2011 8:43:45 AM, Danielle wrote:
Yeah, all my friends were b!tching about this on Facebook. I think it's appalling. Do you know if it was a student group that chose to get Snooki, or the administration? Even though it's a pretty sad reality that Snooki is getting more money, Toni could have always asked for more money or refused (though I guess she didn't know how much Snooki would be making).

I've told you people before that my entire educational experience has been plagued by my classmates LITERALLY being clones of the Jersey Shore cast. Well now maybe you will take my complaint seriously lol I can't get away from these people >.< One thing I will say though is that I'm pissed black people are playing the race card on this issue. It has NOTHING to do with race. It has to do with the fact that Snooki is more well known, popular and (unfortunately) culturally relevant than Morrison. If it was Flava Flav then what? Some re-re in the comments section of that link wrote "Rutgers is a mostly white school" as if that has anything to do with anything. Rutgers is actually THEE most diverse school in the nation (http://www.usnews.com...).

That's a sad sad thing. I'll refrain further judgment because i know so little about "Jersey Shore", but i can guess.
comoncents
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4/4/2011 3:12:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/4/2011 8:39:15 AM, innomen wrote:
At 4/4/2011 8:09:45 AM, comoncents wrote:
Rutgers Pays Snooki More Than Toni Morrison For Appearance


Shame on Rutgers University?
or not?

What do you think?

Does this say something about the consciousness of american universities?

Is education setting our youth up for the nurturing of the soul (Plato) or to follow the unbalanced passions of the flesh?

"(SW.)tett£rwn d¾ toÚtwn oÙsîn [sc. tîn tecnîn]... ¹ kolakeutik¾ a„sqomšnh - oÙ gnoàsa lšgw ¢ll¦ stocasamšnh - tštraca ˜aut¾n diane…masa, Øpodàsa ØpÕ ›kaston tîn mor…wn, prospoie‹tai e&#65533;nai toàto Óper Øpšdu, kaˆ toà m&#65533;n belt…stou oÙd&#65533;n front…zei, tù d&#65533; ¢eˆ ¹d…stJ qhreÚetai t¾n ¥noian kaˆ ™xapat´, éste doke‹ ple…stou ¢x…a e&#65533;nai. ØpÕ m&#65533;n t¾n „atrik¾n ¹ Ñyopoiik¾ Øpodšduken, kaˆ prospoie‹tai t¦ bšltista sit…a tù sèmati e„dšnai, ést' e„ dšoi ™n paisˆ diagwn…zesqai ÑyopoiÒn te kaˆ „atrÒn, À ™n ¢ndr£sin oÛtwj ¢no»toij ésper oƒ pa‹dej, pÒteroj ™pa…ei perˆ tîn crhstîn sit…wn kaˆ ponhrîn, Ð „atrÕj À Ð ÑyopoiÒj, limù ¨n ¢poqane‹n tÕn „atrÒn. (464c3-e2)

(So.) These then are the four parts ... Now flattery takes notice of them, and - I won't say by knowing, but only by guessing - divides itself into four, masks itself with each of the parts, and then pretends to be the characters of the masks. It takes no thought at all of whatever is best; with the lure of what is pleasant at the moment it sniffs out folly and hoodwinks it, so that it gives the impression of being most deserving. Pastry baking has put on the mask of medicine, and pretends to know the foods that are best for the body, so that if a pastry baker and a doctor had to compete in front of children, or in front of men just as foolish as children, to determine which of the two, the doctor or the pastry baker, had expert knowledge of good food and bad, the doctor would die of starvation."

http://newsone.com...


Let me know what you think?

Common, this was a pretty shoddy post, and my Cyrillic is a little rusty.

HaHa

My bad... I meant to put something else in. I was writing it in a Stat class... haha
comoncents
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4/4/2011 3:14:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/4/2011 8:09:45 AM, comoncents wrote:
Rutgers Pays Snooki More Than Toni Morrison For Appearance


Shame on Rutgers University?
or not?

What do you think?

Does this say something about the consciousness of american universities?

Is education setting our youth up for the nurturing of the soul (Plato) or to follow the unbalanced passions of the flesh?

It was meant to read like this...
Socrates And this applies not only to the body, but also to the soul: in either there may be that which gives the appearance of health and not the reality?
Gorgias Yes, certainly.
Socrates And now I will endeavour to explain to you more clearly what I mean: The soul and body being two, have two arts corresponding to them: there is the art of politics attending on the soul; and another art attending on the body, of which I know no single name, but which may be described as having two divisions, one of them gymnastic, and the other medicine. And in politics there is a legislative part, which answers to gymnastic, as justice does to medicine; and the two parts run into one another, justice having to do with the same subject as legislation, and medicine with the same subject as gymnastic, but with a difference. Now, seeing that there are these four arts, two attending on the body and two on the soul for their highest good; flattery knowing, or rather guessing their natures, has distributed herself into four shams or simulations of them; she puts on the likeness of some one or other of them, and pretends to be that which she simulates, and having no regard for men's highest interests, is ever making pleasure the bait of the unwary, and deceiving them into the belief that she is of the highest value to them. Cookery simulates the disguise of medicine, and pretends to know what food is the best for the body; and if the physician and the cook had to enter into a competition in which children were the judges, or men who had no more sense than children, as to which of them best understands the goodness or badness of food, the physician would be starved to death. A flattery I deem this to be and of an ignoble sort, 465Polus, for to you I am now addressing myself, because it aims at pleasure without any thought of the best. An art I do not call it, but only an experience, because it is unable to explain or to give a reason of the nature of its own applications. And I do not call any irrational thing an art; but if you dispute my words, I am prepared to argue in defence of them.
Cookery, then, I maintain to be a flattery which takes the form of medicine; and tiring, in like manner, is a flattery which takes the form of gymnastic, and is knavish, false, ignoble, illiberal, working deceitfully by the help of lines, and colours, and enamels, and garments, and making men affect a spurious beauty to the neglect of the true beauty which is given by gymnastic.
I would rather not be tedious, and therefore I will only say, after the manner of the geometricians (for I think that by this time you will be able to follow)
astiring : gymnastic :: cookery : medicine;
or rather,
astiring : gymnastic :: sophistry : legislation;
and
as cookery : medicine :: rhetoric : justice.
And this, I say, is the natural difference between the rhetorician and the sophist, but by reason of their near connection, they are apt to be jumbled up together; neither do they know what to make of themselves, nor do other men know what to make of them. For if the body presided over itself, and were not under the guidance of the soul, and the soul did not discern and discriminate between cookery and medicine, but the body was made the judge of them, and the rule of judgment was the bodily delight which was given by them, then the word of Anaxagoras, that word with which you, friend Polus, are so well acquainted, would prevail far and wide: "Chaos" would come again, and cookery, health, and medicine would mingle in an indiscriminate mass. And now I have told you my notion of rhetoric, which is, in relation to the soul, what cookery is to the body. I may have been inconsistent in making a long speech, when I would not allow you to discourse at length. But I think that I may be excused, because you did not understand me, and could make no use of my answer when I spoke shortly, and therefore I had to enter into explanation. 466And if I show an equal inability to make use of yours, I hope that you will speak at equal length; but if I am able to understand you, let me have the benefit of your brevity, as is only fair: And now you may do what you please with my answer."

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Haha. My bad. I fixed it.