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headphonegut
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4/14/2011 2:40:40 PM
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can someone explain to me what a nihilist is.
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4/14/2011 2:46:15 PM
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wow nice way of sinking to the despotic view of a single entity and so easily accepting it you're an independent right?
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4/14/2011 3:16:03 PM
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At 4/14/2011 2:40:40 PM, headphonegut wrote:
can someone explain to me what a nihilist is.

i've been wondering that very thing! i'm lazy though..
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4/14/2011 3:18:49 PM
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lol I've been reading that guy that vi posted but he just seems well a bit daffy
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4/14/2011 3:19:55 PM
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At 4/14/2011 2:40:40 PM, headphonegut wrote:
can someone explain to me what a nihilist is.

Be more specific.

An Existential Nihilist?
A Metaphysical Nihilist?
A Moral Nihilist?

Which one?
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4/14/2011 3:22:12 PM
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At 4/14/2011 3:19:55 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/14/2011 2:40:40 PM, headphonegut wrote:
can someone explain to me what a nihilist is.

Be more specific.

An Existential Nihilist?
A Metaphysical Nihilist?
A Moral Nihilist?

Which one?

oh ann did this for me before.. i'm fairly sure i ruled out the first two as being ridiculous but go again for me will you please? :)
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4/14/2011 3:23:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
how bout all of them I never understood the qualifying of a word don't they all have the same word at the end (is that a suffix?) and so wouldn't they all have the same basic belief
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4/14/2011 3:25:19 PM
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At 4/14/2011 3:23:26 PM, headphonegut wrote:
how bout all of them I never understood the qualifying of a word don't they all have the same word at the end (is that a suffix?) and so wouldn't they all have the same basic belief

good man!
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4/14/2011 3:32:03 PM
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At 4/14/2011 3:23:26 PM, headphonegut wrote:
how bout all of them I never understood the qualifying of a word don't they all have the same word at the end (is that a suffix?) and so wouldn't they all have the same basic belief

No, they don't all have the same basic belief. For example, I'm a Metaphysical Nihilist, but reject Moral Nihilism.

Moral Nihilism says morality doesn't exist.
Existential Nihilists say life has not intrinsic meaning. Life is meaningless.
Metaphysical Nihilism rejects the existence of objects or claims that reality is illusory.
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4/14/2011 3:34:55 PM
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At 4/14/2011 3:32:03 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/14/2011 3:23:26 PM, headphonegut wrote:
how bout all of them I never understood the qualifying of a word don't they all have the same word at the end (is that a suffix?) and so wouldn't they all have the same basic belief

No, they don't all have the same basic belief. For example, I'm a Metaphysical Nihilist, but reject Moral Nihilism.

Moral Nihilism says morality doesn't exist.
Existential Nihilists say life has not intrinsic meaning. Life is meaningless.
Metaphysical Nihilism rejects the existence of objects or claims that reality is illusory.

so they all say something is nonexistent? (just saying) and can you expand on your belief what would it mean to reject the existence of objects or claims that reality is illusory?
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4/14/2011 3:35:26 PM
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At 4/14/2011 3:32:03 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
No, they don't all have the same basic belief. For example, I'm a Metaphysical Nihilist, but reject Moral Nihilism.

Metaphysical Nihilism rejects the existence of objects or claims that reality is illusory.
Hm, what do you base that on?
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4/14/2011 3:35:58 PM
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At 4/14/2011 3:32:03 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/14/2011 3:23:26 PM, headphonegut wrote:
how bout all of them I never understood the qualifying of a word don't they all have the same word at the end (is that a suffix?) and so wouldn't they all have the same basic belief

No, they don't all have the same basic belief. For example, I'm a Metaphysical Nihilist, but reject Moral Nihilism.

Moral Nihilism says morality doesn't exist.
Existential Nihilists say life has not intrinsic meaning. Life is meaningless.
Metaphysical Nihilism rejects the existence of objects or claims that reality is illusory.

so why are you a metaphysical nihilist?
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4/14/2011 3:37:27 PM
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At 4/14/2011 3:36:33 PM, badger wrote:
the second one doesn't sound too bad really.

except i'd say life's probably got about as much meaning as anything else and it sounds a bit harsh on it :)
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4/14/2011 3:39:10 PM
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yeah I think I would reject "moral nihilism" too if it existed
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4/14/2011 3:43:56 PM
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Okay hmmmm I don't think you can deny the existence of something without it already being in place for example I cannot deny god exists if everyone believes that it doesn't exist it(god's existence) would be something that's never mentioned so when "moral nihilist's say morality doesn't exist they're acknowledging that there's a form of morality in place and denying it's existence

(this argument is faulty i think)
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4/14/2011 3:53:15 PM
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At 4/14/2011 2:40:40 PM, headphonegut wrote:
can someone explain to me what a nihilist is.

Anything that would make one take responsiblity "doesn't exist". One should not be made to take responsiblity, one's free to take it if one so wishes.
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4/14/2011 3:57:37 PM
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At 4/14/2011 3:53:15 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 4/14/2011 2:40:40 PM, headphonegut wrote:
can someone explain to me what a nihilist is.

Anything that would make one take responsiblity "doesn't exist". One should not be made to take responsiblity, one's free to take it if one so wishes.

wut? lol can you like explain whatever that means I know it makes a lot of sense to you but when putting a whole philosophy in 2 sentences for someone who doesn't understand it is very... not sure what word to use
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4/14/2011 4:11:09 PM
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At 4/14/2011 3:57:37 PM, headphonegut wrote:
At 4/14/2011 3:53:15 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 4/14/2011 2:40:40 PM, headphonegut wrote:
can someone explain to me what a nihilist is.

Anything that would make one take responsiblity "doesn't exist". One should not be made to take responsiblity, one's free to take it if one so wishes.

wut? lol can you like explain whatever that means I know it makes a lot of sense to you but when putting a whole philosophy in 2 sentences for someone who doesn't understand it is very... not sure what word to use

Responsiblity - a particular burden of obligation upon one who is responsible
(one of the many meanings of the word)

nihilism - an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
(philosophical meaning)

If one accepts morality to exist, or life to be meaningful, one is obliged to act in a way that would come under the category of "being responsible". But acting in such a manner would "seem" to infringe upon personal liberties (which, if you think about it, doesn't sound too good for the individual.)

So, to justify acting in a self-interested manner, one has no choice but to deny any objective meaning to life, and so on and so forth till you reach atheism and anarchy.

However, you CAN CHOOSE to act responsibly if you feel like it. You can derive your own "meanings" to your actions, even though you know that they are inherently meaningless.
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4/14/2011 4:32:22 PM
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At 4/14/2011 4:24:19 PM, headphonegut wrote:
that doesn't make sense

which part?
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4/14/2011 4:44:16 PM
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At 4/14/2011 4:11:09 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 4/14/2011 3:57:37 PM, headphonegut wrote:
At 4/14/2011 3:53:15 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 4/14/2011 2:40:40 PM, headphonegut wrote:
can someone explain to me what a nihilist is.

Anything that would make one take responsiblity "doesn't exist". One should not be made to take responsiblity, one's free to take it if one so wishes.

wut? lol can you like explain whatever that means I know it makes a lot of sense to you but when putting a whole philosophy in 2 sentences for someone who doesn't understand it is very... not sure what word to use

Responsiblity - a particular burden of obligation upon one who is responsible
(one of the many meanings of the word)

you can't define a word using the same word for example defeat= the act of defeating somebody. that doesn't really say what the word "defeat" means

nihilism - an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
(philosophical meaning)

which philosopher? (philosophical meaning implies that somebody had to think it up )

If one accepts morality to exist, or life to be meaningful, one is obliged to act in a way that would come under the category of "being responsible". But acting in such a manner would "seem" to infringe upon personal liberties (which, if you think about it, doesn't sound too good for the individual.)

FALSE: no body is ever obliged to act in a way that would come under the category of being responsible 1 everybody lies 2 there's murder, theft, rape, and other atrocities. 3. A corporation is a big externalizing machine that brings harm to people and the environment however the people working in a corporation could be the nicest people on earth they work for a corporation and all a corporation has is the bottom line.

and not it doesn't infringe on personal liberties because that's not how people act in your ideal world

So, to justify acting in a self-interested manner, one has no choice but to deny any objective meaning to life, and so on and so forth till you reach atheism and anarchy.

However, you CAN CHOOSE to act responsibly if you feel like it. You can derive your own "meanings" to your actions, even though you know that they are inherently meaningless.

ok, everyone does, and I don't understand the last fragment
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4/14/2011 6:42:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/14/2011 4:44:16 PM, headphonegut wrote:
At 4/14/2011 4:11:09 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 4/14/2011 3:57:37 PM, headphonegut wrote:
At 4/14/2011 3:53:15 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 4/14/2011 2:40:40 PM, headphonegut wrote:
can someone explain to me what a nihilist is.

Anything that would make one take responsiblity "doesn't exist". One should not be made to take responsiblity, one's free to take it if one so wishes.

wut? lol can you like explain whatever that means I know it makes a lot of sense to you but when putting a whole philosophy in 2 sentences for someone who doesn't understand it is very... not sure what word to use

Responsiblity - a particular burden of obligation upon one who is responsible
(one of the many meanings of the word)

you can't define a word using the same word for example defeat= the act of defeating somebody. that doesn't really say what the word "defeat" means

okay. I assumed you would know the meaning of the word responsible. This was pasted from dictionary.com

nihilism - an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
(philosophical meaning)

which philosopher? (philosophical meaning implies that somebody had to think it up )

I pasted it from dictionary.com and it does not say which philosopher said it. If you have issues with their definition, give me a dictionary and i'll paste from that.

If one accepts morality to exist, or life to be meaningful, one is obliged to act in a way that would come under the category of "being responsible". But acting in such a manner would "seem" to infringe upon personal liberties (which, if you think about it, doesn't sound too good for the individual.)

FALSE: no body is ever obliged to act in a way that would come under the category of being responsible 1 everybody lies 2 there's murder, theft, rape, and other atrocities. 3. A corporation is a big externalizing machine that brings harm to people and the environment however the people working in a corporation could be the nicest people on earth they work for a corporation and all a corporation has is the bottom line.

Well, if one accepts morality to exist, and then 1 lies 2 murders, thieves, rapes and commits other atrocities, he's acting wrongly, don't you think? These people go ahead and do the wrong thing, even according to their judgement. But those can be classified as "criminals" and they will always be there. They are not nihilists per se. If they really believe that morals exist, then as "good" people they would be obliged to act accordingly, and that is with responsibility.

The nihilists don't want to be classified as "criminals" in this sense, so they deny that objective morality doesn't exist and they can behave in a self-interested manner, even if it appears "wrong" or "bad" to people who follow morality.

and not it doesn't infringe on personal liberties because that's not how people act in your ideal world

So, to justify acting in a self-interested manner, one has no choice but to deny any objective meaning to life, and so on and so forth till you reach atheism and anarchy.

However, you CAN CHOOSE to act responsibly if you feel like it. You can derive your own "meanings" to your actions, even though you know that they are inherently meaningless.

ok, everyone does, and I don't understand the last fragment

Well, if everything is inherently meaningless, why would you want to act in any way? What meaning would you give your actions? To overcome this conundrum, they choose to derive their own meanings and values.
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4/14/2011 7:20:02 PM
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Nihilism doesn't seem to take subjectivity into account when attempting to be objective.

Absurdism is a more complete philosophy when dealing with this sort of thing.

But at the same time, anyone who prescribes to a particular branch of philosophy can't truly be a philosopher.

Philosophy is a personal thing. It's mental masturbation. Subscribing to another's philosophy is like watching porn of people masturbating. That's hardly fun.
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4/14/2011 7:21:35 PM
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At 4/14/2011 7:20:02 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Nihilism doesn't seem to take subjectivity into account when attempting to be objective.

Absurdism is a more complete philosophy when dealing with this sort of thing.

But at the same time, anyone who prescribes to a particular branch of philosophy can't truly be a philosopher.

Philosophy is a personal thing. It's mental masturbation. Subscribing to another's philosophy is like watching porn of people masturbating. That's hardly fun.

actually that makes sense
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4/14/2011 7:29:55 PM
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Existential nihilists say life has no meaning at all?

Isn't that just one of the many possible conclusions Existentialism would assume people believe in?

Seems redundant.
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4/14/2011 9:01:05 PM
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At 4/14/2011 7:20:02 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Philosophy is a personal thing. It's mental masturbation. Subscribing to another's philosophy is like watching porn of people masturbating. That's hardly fun.

No... Philosophy is the study of knowledge/reality. It isn't a life belief. That is ideology.
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4/14/2011 9:16:03 PM
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At 4/14/2011 9:01:05 PM, Johnicle wrote:
At 4/14/2011 7:20:02 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Philosophy is a personal thing. It's mental masturbation. Subscribing to another's philosophy is like watching porn of people masturbating. That's hardly fun.

No... Philosophy is the study of knowledge/reality. It isn't a life belief. That is ideology.

bam check and mate cosmic
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