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Lionheart
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4/26/2011 10:25:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Life and consciousness. Cause and effect. Original cause. Original consciousness. The original cause came from where? And that cause came from where? You inevitably come to the conclusion of eternity.

The original consciousness came from where? And that came from where? Ans so on until you reach an eternal consciousness.

If you can prove that there can be life without consciousness, than you can prove my words wrong. But you cannot prove consciousness, so you cannot prove my words wrong.

You could argue that plants are alive, and they are not conscious. But you cannot prove that plants are not conscious... You cannot prove that bacteria, fish, birds, dogs, monkeys, etc. aren't conscious either. So what determines if something is conscious? Humans assume that all living things aren't conscious, only some or only humans. This is a grand assumption.

The truth is, there are no known scientific ways of determining something to be truly conscious or not. This is because consciousness cannot be measured. Consciousness is one of the only things that we cannot measure, cannot prove, and yet cannot not deny it truly does exist. We know this because we experience our own conscious existence.

Now, we can prove that life comes from life. That a conscious life form can only be created by a conscious life form. That life can only be created by life.

We cannot prove that life comes from or can ever come from lifeless matter. That consciousness can suddenly arise from something that is not conscious.

Given this information it is rational to conclude that consciousness had to come from an original source of consciousness. And we have determined that the original cause keeps chasing itself in a circle until you conclude eternity. Using this knowledge as it pertains to consciousness, we find it is rational to conclude that the original consciousness is eternal or that there is an eternal consciousness.

Through this, if you have come to the same conclusion and agree that the original consciousness must be eternal, or there must be an eternal consciousness.... Then you have found your proof of God. You found your proof of God not through scientific measurements, formulas, equations, etc. But through logic, through the mind, through your consciousness.

Through this knowledge you can become enlightened.

Through this knowledge you have found God, the eternal consciousness, the source of all life.
"Knowing others is intelligence;
knowing yourself is true wisdom.
Mastering others is strength;
mastering yourself is true power."


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FREEDO
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4/27/2011 1:03:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Causation is a lie.

They ask me, "How could something come from nothing?"

I ask them, "How can you have something without nothing?"
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

fnord
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4/27/2011 1:13:32 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/27/2011 1:07:44 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 4/27/2011 1:03:37 AM, FREEDO wrote:
Causation is a lie.

Lol. Yeah, okay.

Denying it only keeps you in the fruitless philosophical strange-hold of "where did it come from?", only to turn up with contradictions.
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

fnord
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4/27/2011 1:38:42 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I think what distinguishes humanity from other creatures is the ability to discuss what is right or moral. The ability to wander who created us. More than consciousness, I think this is what indicates presence of God.

Does anyone think that animals and plants also discuss different issues the way we do? And can this ability arise on its own?
The Holy Quran 29:19-20

See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it: truly that is easy for Allah.

Say: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things.
Lionheart
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4/27/2011 4:12:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
That ability and other abilities correspond with the amount of intelligence consciousness is capable of using to experience thought. Humans have a high capability for using intelligence. We use our thoughts to develop and communicate. Plants and other animals may be conscious and therefor may be capable of using some form of intelligence to experience their existence. We can not know for sure. We can only assume.

On another note, do you think that animals cannot communicate with each other? And if you believe they can communicate, what do you think they talk about? What thoughts might they have?

We can only assume.
"Knowing others is intelligence;
knowing yourself is true wisdom.
Mastering others is strength;
mastering yourself is true power."


- Lionheart -