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Service Dogs Vs Dog Allergies

Yorble
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5/21/2011 5:37:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Here's the scenario- A person with a service dog and a man with severe allergies to pets are in a restaurant at the same time. Who has the right to stay there? Will the allergic man have to suffer, or should the service dog simply walk away?

What are your thoughts on this?
CosmicAlfonzo
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5/21/2011 5:51:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I think it really comes down to whether or not the man with allergies complains or not.

Seriously, that guy would have to be a serious wanker to say anything.

If he does complain, it would be up to the parties involved to figure it out. If they can't find a reasonable solution, and are creating a scene, I'd ask why the fvck a blind man would bring a dog into a restaurant anyway, because seeing eye dogs can't read menus.

If this doesn't cause the blind man to leave, the only real solution involves fire.
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Yorble
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5/21/2011 6:02:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 5:51:28 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I think it really comes down to whether or not the man with allergies complains or not.

Seriously, that guy would have to be a serious wanker to say anything.

If he does complain, it would be up to the parties involved to figure it out. If they can't find a reasonable solution, and are creating a scene, I'd ask why the fvck a blind man would bring a dog into a restaurant anyway, because seeing eye dogs can't read menus.

If this doesn't cause the blind man to leave, the only real solution involves fire.

The dog could be used for other things, such as identifying paprika if the person is (ironically) allergic to it.
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5/21/2011 6:29:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 5:48:53 PM, Grape wrote:
The owner of the restaurant decides.

This.

Even then, if a person has dog allergies that bad then they probably take medicine to control their body's reaction. Hell, OTC Claratin is strong enough to completely eliminate my severe cat allergy when I visit my aunt and uncle. Plus, being in the same room as a dog for an hour isn't going to upset your allergies unless you're actually touching the dog.
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Yorble
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5/21/2011 6:52:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 6:29:20 PM, Korashk wrote:
At 5/21/2011 5:48:53 PM, Grape wrote:
The owner of the restaurant decides.

This.

Even then, if a person has dog allergies that bad then they probably take medicine to control their body's reaction. Hell, OTC Claratin is strong enough to completely eliminate my severe cat allergy when I visit my aunt and uncle. Plus, being in the same room as a dog for an hour isn't going to upset your allergies unless you're actually touching the dog.

What if the two have to stay around each other for long periods of time, such as at work and forced to work together for a project?
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5/21/2011 7:04:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Put him in the corner And point fans opposite of where he's sitting
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Korashk
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5/21/2011 7:11:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 6:52:42 PM, Yorble wrote:
At 5/21/2011 6:29:20 PM, Korashk wrote:
At 5/21/2011 5:48:53 PM, Grape wrote:
The owner of the restaurant decides.

This.

Even then, if a person has dog allergies that bad then they probably take medicine to control their body's reaction. Hell, OTC Claratin is strong enough to completely eliminate my severe cat allergy when I visit my aunt and uncle. Plus, being in the same room as a dog for an hour isn't going to upset your allergies unless you're actually touching the dog.

What if the two have to stay around each other for long periods of time, such as at work and forced to work together for a project?

Like I said, allergy medicine is really good at controlling reactions. I'm so allergic to cats that exposure to them sans Claratin D makes my eyes swell shut, my nasal passages clog up, and my throat to constrict to the point where I have trouble breathing.

With Dlaratin D I can spend extended amounts of time living at my aunt and uncle's house which is home to four cats and is fairly small with only mild discomfort.
When large numbers of otherwise-law abiding people break specific laws en masse, it's usually a fault that lies with the law. - Unknown
Yorble
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5/21/2011 7:17:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 7:11:50 PM, Korashk wrote:
At 5/21/2011 6:52:42 PM, Yorble wrote:
At 5/21/2011 6:29:20 PM, Korashk wrote:
At 5/21/2011 5:48:53 PM, Grape wrote:
The owner of the restaurant decides.

This.

Even then, if a person has dog allergies that bad then they probably take medicine to control their body's reaction. Hell, OTC Claratin is strong enough to completely eliminate my severe cat allergy when I visit my aunt and uncle. Plus, being in the same room as a dog for an hour isn't going to upset your allergies unless you're actually touching the dog.

What if the two have to stay around each other for long periods of time, such as at work and forced to work together for a project?

Like I said, allergy medicine is really good at controlling reactions. I'm so allergic to cats that exposure to them sans Claratin D makes my eyes swell shut, my nasal passages clog up, and my throat to constrict to the point where I have trouble breathing.

With Dlaratin D I can spend extended amounts of time living at my aunt and uncle's house which is home to four cats and is fairly small with only mild discomfort.

Okay, thank you very much. I'm writing a paper on this topic and these comments gave me a good idea of the overall situation.
FREEDO
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5/21/2011 8:01:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It's completely arbitrary. There's nothing that "should" be done.

What do I think the ideal solution, for the goal of maximum satisfaction, for everyone involved would be? Working it out so both can be there.

What if they can't both be there, as the point of the hypothetical would seem to assert? I would try to use some mechanism by which the level of suffering of each party could be accurately measured and make a decision based on that.

What if there is no such mechanism, as there probably isn't? If the ideal situation cannot be obtained then there's not much point in worrying about it, is there? Flip a damn coin. This is, after all, an individual circumstance.

Now, what if it is not an individual circumstance? What if the question is about implementing a procedure used on a large scale? Then there would be some point to figuring it out. Of course, in this extended scenario I think we would be worrying completely about the wrong thing. If there is such an epidemic of people needing service-dogs and people with dog allergies, whether or not these things are a metaphor for something else, I think the solution is not figure out which we favor over the other but how to stop such a circumstance from occurring in the first place.
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Yorble
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5/21/2011 8:17:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 8:02:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I officially looked way too deeply into that.

It's perfect, actually. A bit of over-thinking, but that's the spirit!
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5/21/2011 9:11:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
If I'm the gov't, I don't get involved. If I'm the restaurant owner--

what kind of restaurant am I operating?
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Yorble
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5/21/2011 9:22:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 9:11:40 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If I'm the gov't, I don't get involved. If I'm the restaurant owner--

what kind of restaurant am I operating?

Hmmm, let's go with an IHOP or something like that.
Ragnar_Rahl
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5/21/2011 9:46:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 9:22:11 PM, Yorble wrote:
At 5/21/2011 9:11:40 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If I'm the gov't, I don't get involved. If I'm the restaurant owner--

what kind of restaurant am I operating?

Hmmm, let's go with an IHOP or something like that.

In that sorta context, I tell Mr. allergies to man up.
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Cliff.Stamp
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5/25/2011 10:57:08 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 5:51:28 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I think it really comes down to whether or not the man with allergies complains or not.

Seriously, that guy would have to be a serious wanker to say anything.

Serious allergies can kill you.
Cliff.Stamp
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5/25/2011 11:01:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 5:37:30 PM, Yorble wrote:

Who has the right to stay there?

It is no different than if both are perfectly fine and there is one seat left. First come first serve unless the owner decides otherwise.