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The Kybalion - Heremetic Philosophy

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5/31/2011 7:15:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
The Seven Hermetic Principles, upon which the entire Hermetic Philosophy is based, are as follows:

- THE PRINCIPLE OF MENTALISM.
- THE PRINCIPLE OF CORRESPONDENCE.
- THE PRINCIPLE OF VIBRATION.
- THE PRINCIPLE OF POLARITY.
- THE PRINCIPLE OF RHYTHM.
- THE PRINCIPLE OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.
- THE PRINCIPLE OF GENDER.

These Seven Principles will be discussed and explained as we proceed with these lessons. A short explanation of each, however, may as well be given at this point.

I. THE PRINCIPLE OF MENTALISM.

"THE ALL is MIND; The Universe is Mental." — The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the truth that "All is Mind." It explains that THE ALL (which is the Substantial Reality underlying all the outward manifestations and appearances which we know under the terms of "The Material Universe"; the "Phenomena of Life"; "Matter"; "Energy"; and, in short, all that is apparent to our material senses) is SPIRIT, which in itself is UNKNOWABLE and UNDEFINABLE, but which may be considered and thought of as AN UNIVERSAL, INFINITE, LIVING MIND. It also explains that all the phenomenal world or universe is simply a Mental Creation of THE ALL, subject to the Laws of Created Things, and that the universe, as a whole, and in its parts or units, has its existence in the Mind of THE ALL, in which Mind we "live and move and have our being." This Principle, by establishing the Mental Nature of the Universe, easily explains all of the varied mental and psychic phenomena that occupy such a large portion of the public attention, and which, without such explanation, are non-understandable and defy scientific treatment. An understanding of this great hermetic Principle of Mentalism enables the individual to readily grasp the laws of the Mental Universe, and to apply the same to his well-being and advancement. The Hermetic Student is enabled to apply intelligently the great Mental Laws, instead of using them in a haphazard manner. With tire Master-Key in his possession, the student may unlock the many doors of the mental and psychic temple of knowledge, and enter the same freely and intelligently. This Principle explains the true nature of "Energy," "Power," and "Matter," and why and how all these are subordinate to the Mastery of Mind. One of the old Hermetic Masters wrote, long ages ago: "He who grasps the truth of the Mental Nature of the Universe is well advanced on The Path to Mastery." And these words are as true to-day as at the time they were first written. Without this Master-Key, Mastery is impossible, and the student knocks in vain at the many doors of The Temple.

II. THE PRINCIPLE OF CORRESPONDENCE.

"As above, so below; as below so above." — The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the truth that there is always a Correspondence between the laws and phenomena of the various planes of Being and Life. The old Hermetic axiom ran in these words: "As above, so below; as below, so above." And the grasping of this Principle gives one the means of solving many a dark paradox, and hidden secret of Nature. There are planes beyond our knowing, but when we apply the Principle of Correspondence to them we are able to understand much that would otherwise be unknowable to us. This Principle is of universal application and manifestation, on the various planes of the material, mental, and spiritual universe — it is an Universal Law. The ancient Hermetists considered this Principle as one of the most important mental instruments by which man was able to pry aside the obstacles which hid from view the Unknown. Its use even tore aside the Veil of Isis to the extent that a glimpse of the face of the goddess might be caught. Just as a knowledge of the Principles of Geometry enables man to measure distant suns and their movements, while seated in his observatory, so a knowledge of the Principle of Correspondence enables Man to reason intelligently from the Known to the Unknown. Studying the monad, he understands the archangel.

III. THE PRINCIPLE OF VIBRATION.

"Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates." — The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the truth that "everything is in motion"; "everything vibrates"; "nothing is at rest"; facts which Modern Science endorses, and which each new scientific discovery tends to verify. And yet this Hermetic Principle was enunciated thousands of years ago, by the Masters of Ancient Egypt. This Principle explains that the differences between different manifestations of Matter, Energy, Mind, and even Spirit, result largely from varying rates of Vibration. From THE ALL, which is Pure Spirit, down to the grossest form of Matter, all is in vibration — the higher the vibration, the higher the position in the scale. The vibration of Spirit is at such an infinite rate of intensity and rapidity that it is practically at rest — just as a rapidly moving wheel seems to be motionless. And at the other end of the scale, there are gross forms of matter whose vibrations are so low as to seem at rest. Between these poles, there are millions upon millions of varying degrees of vibration. From corpuscle and electron, atom and molecule, to worlds and universes, everything is in vibratory motion. This is also true on the planes of energy and force (which are but varying degrees of vibration); and also on the mental planes (whose states depend upon vibrations); and even on to the spiritual planes. An understanding of this Principle, with the appropriate formulas, enables Hermetic students to control their own mental vibrations as well as those of others. The Masters also apply this Principle to the conquering of Natural phenomena, in various ways. "He who understands the Principle of Vibration, has grasped the sceptre of Power," says one of the old writers.

(Continued in the next post.....)
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5/31/2011 7:16:08 PM
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IV. THE PRINCIPLE OF POLARITY.

"Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled." — The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the truth that "everything is dual"; "everything has two poles"; "everything has its pair of opposites," all of which were old Hermetic axioms. It explains the old paradoxes, that have perplexed so many, which have been stated as follows: "Thesis and anti-thesis are identical in nature, but different in degree"; "opposites are the same, differing only in degree"; "the pairs of opposites may be reconciled"; "extremes meet"; "everything is and isn't, at the same time"; "all truths are but half-truths"; "every truth is half-false"; "there are two sides to everything," etc., etc., etc. It explains that in everything there are two poles, or opposite aspects, and that "opposites" are really only the two extremes of the same thing, with many varying degrees between them. To illustrate: Heat and Cold, although "opposites," are really the same thing, the differences consisting merely of degrees of the same thing. Look at your thermometer and see if you can discover where "heat" terminates and "cold" begins! There is no such thing as "absolute heat" or "absolute cold" — the two terms "heat" and "cold" simply indicate varying degrees of the same thing, and that "same thing" which manifests as "heat" and "cold" is merely a form, variety, and rate of Vibration. So "heat" and "cold" are simply the "two poles" of that which we call "Heat" — and the phenomena attendant thereupon are manifestations of the Principle of Polarity. The same Principle manifests in the case of "Light and Darkness," which are the same thing, the difference consisting of varying degrees between the two poles of the phenomena. Where does "darkness" leave off, and "light" begin? What is the difference between "Large and Small"? Between "Hard and Soft"? Between "Black and White"? Between "Sharp and Dull"? Between "Noise and Quiet"? Between "High and Low"? Between "Positive and Negative"? The Principle of Polarity explains these paradoxes, and no other Principle can supersede it. The same Principle operates on the Mental Plane. Let us take a radical and extreme example — that of "Love and Hate," two mental states apparently totally different. And yet there are degrees of hate and degrees of Love, and a middle point in which we use the terms "Like or Dislike," which shade into each other so gradually that sometimes we are at a loss to know whether we "like" or "dislike" or "neither." And all are simply degrees of the same thing, as you will see if you will but think a moment. And, more than this (and considered of more importance by the Hermetists), it is possible to change the vibrations of hate to the vibrations of Love, in one's own mind, and in the minds of others. Many of you, who read these lines, have had personal experiences of the involuntary rapid transition from Love to Hate, and the reverse, in your own ease and that of others. And you will therefore realize the possibility of this being accomplished by the use of the Will, by means of the Hermetic formulas. "Good and Evil" are but the poles of the same thing, and the Hermetist understands the art of transmuting Evil into Good, by means of an application of the Principle of Polarity. In short, the "Art of Polarization" becomes a phase of "Mental Alchemy" known and practiced by the ancient and modern Hermetic Masters. An understanding of the Principle will enable one to change his own Polarity, as well as that of others, if he will devote the time and study necessary to master the art.

V. THE PRINCIPLE OF RHYTHM.

"Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates." — The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the truth that in everything there is manifested a measured motion, to and fro; a flow and inflow; a swing backward and forward; a pendulum-like movement; a tide-like ebb and flow; a high-tide and low-tide; between the two poles which exist in accordance with the Principle of Polarity described a moment ago. There is always an action and a reaction; an advance and a retreat a rising and a sinking. This is in the affairs of the Universe, suns, worlds, men, animals, mind, energy, and matter. This law is manifest in the creation and destruction of worlds; in the rise and fall of nations; in the life of all things; and finally in the mental states of Man (and it is with this latter that the Hermetists find the understanding of the Principle most important). The Hermetists have grasped this Principle, finding its universal application, and have also discovered certain means to overcome its effects in themselves by the use of the appropriate formulas and methods. They apply the Mental Law of Neutralization. They cannot annul the Principle, or Cause it to cease its operation, but they have learned how to escape its effects upon themselves to a certain degree depending upon the Mastery of the Principle. They have learned how to USE it, instead of being USED BY it. In this and similar methods, consist the Art of the Hermetists. The Master of Hermetics polarizes himself at the point at which he desires to rest, and then neutralizes the Rhythmic swing of the pendulum which would tend to carry him to the other pole. All individuals who have attained any degree of Self-Mastery do this to a certain degree, more or less unconsciously, but the Master does this consciously, and by the use of his Will and attains a degree of Poise and Mental Firmness almost impossible of belief on the part of the masses who are swung backward and forward like a pendulum. This Principle and that of Polarity have been closely studied by the Hermetists, and the methods of counteracting, neutralizing and USING them form an important part of the Hermetic Mental Alchemy.

VI. THE PRINCIPLE OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.

"Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause; everything happens according to Law; Chance is but a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law." — The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the fact that there is a Cause for every Effect; an Effect from every Cause. It explains that: "Everything Happens according to Law"; that nothing ever "merely happens"; that there is no such thing as Chance; that while there are various planes of Cause and Effect, the higher dominating the lower planes, still nothing ever entirely escapes the Law. The Hermetists understand the art and methods of rising above the ordinary plane of Cause and Effect, to a certain degree, and by mentally rising to a higher plane they become Causers instead of Effects. The masses of people are carried along, obedient to environment; the wills and desires of others stronger than themselves; heredity; suggestion; and other outward causes moving them about like pawns on the Chessboard of Life. But the Masters, rising to the plane above, dominate their moods, characters, qualities, and powers, as well as the environment surrounding them, and become Movers instead of pawns. They help to PLAY THE GAME OF LIFE, instead of being played and moved about by other wills and environment. They USE the Principle instead of being its tools. The Masters obey the Causation of the higher planes, but they help to RULE on their own plane. In this statement there is condensed a wealth of Hermetic knowledge — let him read who can.

(Continued in the next post...)
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5/31/2011 7:16:50 PM
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VII. THE PRINCIPLE OF GENDER.

"Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles Gender; manifests on all planes." — The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the truth that there is GENDER manifested in everything — the Masculine and Feminine Principles ever at work. This is true not only of the Physical Plane, but of the Mental and even the Spiritual Planes. On the Physical Plane, the Principle manifests as SEX, on the higher planes it takes higher forms, but the Principle is ever the same. No creation, physical, mental or spiritual, is possible without this Principle. An understanding of its laws will throw light on many a subject that has perplexed the minds of men. The Principle of Gender works ever in the direction of generation, regeneration, and creation. Everything, and every person, contains the two Elements or Principles, or this great Principle, within it, him or her. Every Male thing has the Female Element also; every Female contains also the Male Principle. If you would understand the philosophy of Mental and Spiritual Creation, Generation, and Re-generation, you must understand and study this Hermetic Principle. It contains the solution of many mysteries of Life. We caution you that this Principle has no reference to the many base, pernicious and degrading lustful theories, teachings and practices, which are taught under fanciful titles, and which are a prostitution of the great natural principle of Gender. Such base revivals of the ancient infamous forms of Phallicism tend to ruin mind, body and soul, and the Hermetic Philosophy has ever sounded the warning note against these degraded teachings which tend toward lust, licentiousness, and perversion of Nature's principles. If you seek such teachings, you must go elsewhere for them — Hermeticism contains nothing for you along these lines. To the pure, all things are pure; to the base, all things are base.

I would like to hear your thoughts.
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6/1/2011 3:42:17 PM
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Too much to talk about at once. Maybe a more fruitful discussion would be the result at looking at each of these principles individually.
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6/1/2011 3:47:58 PM
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At 6/1/2011 3:42:17 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Too much to talk about at once. Maybe a more fruitful discussion would be the result at looking at each of these principles individually.

I thought about doing that actually. Just figures that an introduction to each would be the wisest as shows the overall perspective of the teachings.

Have you read the book? It is available for free on the internet.

http://www.kybalion.org...
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6/1/2011 4:03:17 PM
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I'm fairly certain that we are going to have very different understandings of these texts.

Let us start with the first one, the Principle of Mentalism.

There are far too many terms contained in this description that need to be defined in order to paint a picture that isn't too vague to be interpreted in many different ways.

Explain it simply. If you are going to use words like "energy", "mind", etc, you are going to have to clarify what it is you are talking about.
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6/1/2011 4:13:11 PM
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At 6/1/2011 4:03:17 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I'm fairly certain that we are going to have very different understandings of these texts.

Let us start with the first one, the Principle of Mentalism.

There are far too many terms contained in this description that need to be defined in order to paint a picture that isn't too vague to be interpreted in many different ways.

Explain it simply. If you are going to use words like "energy", "mind", etc, you are going to have to clarify what it is you are talking about.

Again, your mind thinks in semantics. This will get you nowhere as it pertains to intelligent communication. Different people use different terms to describe their "meaning" and what they "intend" to be communicated. Semantics will get you nowhere fast when it comes to communicating true meaning and intent. Develop the ability to understand the meaning and intent of the point of communication and you will find yourself in very little need of semantics.

Understand what is intended and define it with your own terms. As long as the meaning has not been lost in the process of communication. Communication is successful. Semantics is the long road to nowhere.

If you can't understand what is meant... Then no further communication is needed. Once you are ready... The words will reveal their meaning to you.

"The lips of Wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding."
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6/1/2011 4:38:39 PM
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I am fully aware of the symbolic nature of our communication. I am not getting "lost in semantics".

You have no idea what you are talking about, nor do you seem to have any interest in establish a mutual understanding. How do you expect to communicate anything? How do you expect to learn anything?

If you were even half as wise as you thought you were, you'd understand the importance of establishing a mutual understanding so that we'd be able to discuss meaning rather than semantics.

Your arrogance will be your downfall. Your inability to even put forth the minimum effort necessary to engage in meaningful discussion, and your persistence in pretending to understand things you have no knowledge of is a testament to your foolishness.

Now, if want this to be some pseudo-intellectual New Agey circle jerk where everyone spouts as much bullsh!t at once while pretending to understand, go ahead. I won't seriously take part in it.

Now, if you want to actually have an enlightening discussion instead of auto-fellating your own ego, take my advice, and establish mutual understanding.
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6/1/2011 4:42:01 PM
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I couldn't make it past the second page Mozel tov Justin you have ruined two years of discipline of reading boring books like the scarlet letter or the things they or 1984 I'd rather bust out a comic which is what I'll be doing now I guess Mozel tov is appropriate
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6/1/2011 4:52:36 PM
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At 6/1/2011 4:38:39 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I am fully aware of the symbolic nature of our communication. I am not getting "lost in semantics".

You have no idea what you are talking about, nor do you seem to have any interest in establish a mutual understanding. How do you expect to communicate anything? How do you expect to learn anything?

If you were even half as wise as you thought you were, you'd understand the importance of establishing a mutual understanding so that we'd be able to discuss meaning rather than semantics.

Your arrogance will be your downfall. Your inability to even put forth the minimum effort necessary to engage in meaningful discussion, and your persistence in pretending to understand things you have no knowledge of is a testament to your foolishness.

Now, if want this to be some pseudo-intellectual New Agey circle jerk where everyone spouts as much bullsh!t at once while pretending to understand, go ahead. I won't seriously take part in it.

Now, if you want to actually have an enlightening discussion instead of auto-fellating your own ego, take my advice, and establish mutual understanding.

My arrogance? What arrogance? My opinion? You are the arrogant one. Your arrogance and egotistical attitude are not needed Cosmic. Your ego will hinder you greatly in your spiritual quest.

Go find somewhere else to throw a hissy fit if you can't understand the basic meaning s of the words that were given as the pertain to the meaning of the text. Ive spoken with many people on the subject and you are the ONLY one o questioned the meaning of such easily understood words.

Go find a circle jerk that feeds your ego.

Go find a different circle jerk to spit harsh words of pretensious
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6/1/2011 5:00:27 PM
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At 6/1/2011 4:13:11 PM, Justin_Chains wrote:
At 6/1/2011 4:03:17 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I'm fairly certain that we are going to have very different understandings of these texts.

Let us start with the first one, the Principle of Mentalism.

There are far too many terms contained in this description that need to be defined in order to paint a picture that isn't too vague to be interpreted in many different ways.

Explain it simply. If you are going to use words like "energy", "mind", etc, you are going to have to clarify what it is you are talking about.

Again, your mind thinks in semantics. This will get you nowhere as it pertains to intelligent communication. Different people use different terms to describe their "meaning" and what they "intend" to be communicated. Semantics will get you nowhere fast when it comes to communicating true meaning and intent. Develop the ability to understand the meaning and intent of the point of communication and you will find yourself in very little need of semantics.

Understand what is intended and define it with your own terms. As long as the meaning has not been lost in the process of communication. Communication is successful. Semantics is the long road to nowhere.

If you can't understand what is meant... Then no further communication is needed. Once you are ready... The words will reveal their meaning to you.

"The lips of Wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding."


Pwned.

This is pure irony, LOL!
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6/1/2011 5:03:48 PM
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Call me names all you want, but the fact remains...

Eris is a better dancer than Hermes.
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6/1/2011 5:05:32 PM
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At 6/1/2011 5:00:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/1/2011 4:13:11 PM, Justin_Chains wrote:
At 6/1/2011 4:03:17 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I'm fairly certain that we are going to have very different understandings of these texts.

Let us start with the first one, the Principle of Mentalism.

There are far too many terms contained in this description that need to be defined in order to paint a picture that isn't too vague to be interpreted in many different ways.

Explain it simply. If you are going to use words like "energy", "mind", etc, you are going to have to clarify what it is you are talking about.

Again, your mind thinks in semantics. This will get you nowhere as it pertains to intelligent communication. Different people use different terms to describe their "meaning" and what they "intend" to be communicated. Semantics will get you nowhere fast when it comes to communicating true meaning and intent. Develop the ability to understand the meaning and intent of the point of communication and you will find yourself in very little need of semantics.

Understand what is intended and define it with your own terms. As long as the meaning has not been lost in the process of communication. Communication is successful. Semantics is the long road to nowhere.

If you can't understand what is meant... Then no further communication is needed. Once you are ready... The words will reveal their meaning to you.

"The lips of Wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding."


Pwned.

This is pure irony, LOL!

Yeah, it's almost as if he is he the account of someone who is really dense doing a very bad parody of me or something.

I'm pretty this guy isn't serious.
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6/1/2011 5:06:42 PM
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I'm finding this so entertaining though, it is making me type like a sausage.
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6/1/2011 5:07:57 PM
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At 6/1/2011 4:38:39 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I am fully aware of the symbolic nature of our communication. I am not getting "lost in semantics".

He isn't saying that you don't understand the symbolic nature of communication. That is irrelevant. He is saying that you are nitpicking what certain words mean and asking him to define words he thinks are clearly defined and commonly understood.

You have no idea what you are talking about, nor do you seem to have any interest in establish a mutual understanding. How do you expect to communicate anything? How do you expect to learn anything?

If you were even half as wise as you thought you were, you'd understand the importance of establishing a mutual understanding so that we'd be able to discuss meaning rather than semantics.

I think you're confused here. Semantics IS about meaning. They are not separate from eachother.

Your arrogance will be your downfall. Your inability to even put forth the minimum effort necessary to engage in meaningful discussion, and your persistence in pretending to understand things you have no knowledge of is a testament to your foolishness.

Now, if want this to be some pseudo-intellectual New Agey circle jerk where everyone spouts as much bullsh!t at once while pretending to understand, go ahead. I won't seriously take part in it.

Now, if you want to actually have an enlightening discussion instead of auto-fellating your own ego, take my advice, and establish mutual understanding.

...
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6/1/2011 5:14:01 PM
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At 6/1/2011 5:07:57 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/1/2011 4:38:39 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I am fully aware of the symbolic nature of our communication. I am not getting "lost in semantics".

He isn't saying that you don't understand the symbolic nature of communication. That is irrelevant. He is saying that you are nitpicking what certain words mean and asking him to define words he thinks are clearly defined and commonly understood.


I want to know what his understanding is, this doesn't have anything to do with me.

You have no idea what you are talking about, nor do you seem to have any interest in establish a mutual understanding. How do you expect to communicate anything? How do you expect to learn anything?

If you were even half as wise as you thought you were, you'd understand the importance of establishing a mutual understanding so that we'd be able to discuss meaning rather than semantics.

I think you're confused here. Semantics IS about meaning. They are not separate from eachother.


We can talk over what the words mean, or we can talk with what the words mean.

We can argue over what the word "poodle" means, or we can find a common understanding of the word "poodle", and speak with this common understanding.


Your arrogance will be your downfall. Your inability to even put forth the minimum effort necessary to engage in meaningful discussion, and your persistence in pretending to understand things you have no knowledge of is a testament to your foolishness.

Now, if want this to be some pseudo-intellectual New Agey circle jerk where everyone spouts as much bullsh!t at once while pretending to understand, go ahead. I won't seriously take part in it.

Now, if you want to actually have an enlightening discussion instead of auto-fellating your own ego, take my advice, and establish mutual understanding.

...

Surely you aren't questioning the necessity of putting forth the effort required in establishing a mutual understanding?
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6/1/2011 5:17:25 PM
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Justin I bet you have the interragator on speed dial
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6/1/2011 5:20:18 PM
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At 6/1/2011 5:07:57 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/1/2011 4:38:39 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I am fully aware of the symbolic nature of our communication. I am not getting "lost in semantics".

He isn't saying that you don't understand the symbolic nature of communication. That is irrelevant. He is saying that you are nitpicking what certain words mean and asking him to define words he thinks are clearly defined and commonly understood.

You have no idea what you are talking about, nor do you seem to have any interest in establish a mutual understanding. How do you expect to communicate anything? How do you expect to learn anything?

If you were even half as wise as you thought you were, you'd understand the importance of establishing a mutual understanding so that we'd be able to discuss meaning rather than semantics.

I think you're confused here. Semantics IS about meaning. They are not separate from eachother.


Your arrogance will be your downfall. Your inability to even put forth the minimum effort necessary to engage in meaningful discussion, and your persistence in pretending to understand things you have no knowledge of is a testament to your foolishness.

Now, if want this to be some pseudo-intellectual New Agey circle jerk where everyone spouts as much bullsh!t at once while pretending to understand, go ahead. I won't seriously take part in it.

Now, if you want to actually have an enlightening discussion instead of auto-fellating your own ego, take my advice, and establish mutual understanding.

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Yes, but it fails in efficiency compared to understanding "intent".

If I say I saw a big round cat with brown fur. Do you not understand what I mean?

Do you need my specific definitions for big, round, cat, brown, and fur?

Semantics is the long road to nowhere when compared to understanding the intent of meaning.

That's the point I was trying to make. Semantics has it's place, but it's place is below the intent of meaning.

Have either of you ever actually read the book? If not, then don't start calling me a troll or anything similar. I am just standing up for my beliefs just as anyone else would. I will admit... I am a novice student in the field of Hermetic Teachings and The Kybalion itself, but I am learning and I will stand up for my beliefs as best I know how.
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6/1/2011 5:21:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/1/2011 5:05:32 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Yeah, it's almost as if he is he the account of someone who is really dense doing a very bad parody of me or something.

I think it would be closer to someone doing a parody of someone failing at being a Poe. It is like when you run something thought Bablefish a few times :

"You are really hot, want to hook up?"

English to Chinese then back to English :

"You are the genuine geothermy, wish joint?"
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6/1/2011 5:37:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Do any of you have anything worth while to say on this thread? If not, then why are you here?

To troll?

If so, then I request that you leave please.
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6/1/2011 6:13:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/1/2011 5:37:39 PM, Justin_Chains wrote:
Do any of you have anything worth while to say on this thread? If not, then why are you here?

To troll?

If so, then I request that you leave please.

And go where exactly would you say that to the Jews get out of Israel it was only a temporary haven that's not fair.
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6/2/2011 1:00:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/1/2011 5:37:39 PM, Justin_Chains wrote:
Do any of you have anything worth while to say on this thread? If not, then why are you here?

To troll?

If so, then I request that you leave please.

You destroyed any chance of meaningful communication on the first page of this thread.

Congratulations dipsh!t.

Now, are you going to get defensive, or are you going to rectify the situation by cooperating in what was meant to be an honest conversation?
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6/2/2011 1:09:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/2/2011 1:00:45 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Now, are you going to get defensive, or are you going to rectify the situation by cooperating in what was meant to be an honest conversation?

Cosmic have you scanned the post, it is simply a very watered down and mystizied version of pre-physics philosophy and concepts such as Socrates theory of forms. All of this was long abandoned in the academic fields as natural phiolsophy turned into the sciences and empiricism was developed. Even Socrates abandoned the theory of forms himself before he died.
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6/2/2011 1:48:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/2/2011 1:09:11 PM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 6/2/2011 1:00:45 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Now, are you going to get defensive, or are you going to rectify the situation by cooperating in what was meant to be an honest conversation?

Cosmic have you scanned the post, it is simply a very watered down and mystizied version of pre-physics philosophy and concepts such as Socrates theory of forms. All of this was long abandoned in the academic fields as natural phiolsophy turned into the sciences and empiricism was developed. Even Socrates abandoned the theory of forms himself before he died.

Complete fail.

Read the book Cliff.
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6/2/2011 1:55:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/2/2011 1:00:45 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 6/1/2011 5:37:39 PM, Justin_Chains wrote:
Do any of you have anything worth while to say on this thread? If not, then why are you here?

To troll?

If so, then I request that you leave please.

You destroyed any chance of meaningful communication on the first page of this thread.

Congratulations dipsh!t.

Now, are you going to get defensive, or are you going to rectify the situation by cooperating in what was meant to be an honest conversation?

I am all for meaningful conversation Cosmic. It is what I try to find on this site everyday. It seems people are more involved with going onto to posts they don't like and trolling....instead of going onto posts they do like and participating in honest mature conversation.

I am learning to build patience in my search for members that like to trade honest mature thoughts. I guess I have a long way to go, because I get riled up far too easily.
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6/2/2011 2:32:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/2/2011 1:09:11 PM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 6/2/2011 1:00:45 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Now, are you going to get defensive, or are you going to rectify the situation by cooperating in what was meant to be an honest conversation?

Cosmic have you scanned the post, it is simply a very watered down and mystizied version of pre-physics philosophy and concepts such as Socrates theory of forms. All of this was long abandoned in the academic fields as natural phiolsophy turned into the sciences and empiricism was developed. Even Socrates abandoned the theory of forms himself before he died.

I actually read the whole thing, and had written up a long post explaining what I thought each meant in simple terms, but I decided against it, because I wanted to see the kind of information that Justin was extracting from it.

Even the principles that I can agree with to an extent, I'm aware of the fact that I'd get a very different interpretation than Justin. I say this because even taking into account that Justin might not know the proper words, it still seems like he has no idea what the hell he's talking about.

I was hoping that Justin would use this as an opportunity to show that maybe he actually understands the crap he's trying to rattle off as knowledge or wisdom. Of course, he responded in exactly the manner I predicted.

Unless Justin really is a Poe(which is still a distinct possibility in my book), I don't think he understands that just about anyone can parrot off this pseudo-mystical non-sense and sound like they know what they are talking about to schmucks who want to look more enlightened than they are.

I do it all the time. I know a lot of New Agers. If you've convinced them that you are the "Dude of the Most Chill, and Mystical Guru of the Highest Calibur", just about anything goes. Take a bottle of horse vomit, and tell a New Ager that rubbing the contents of this container on their body will cause the energy to flow into their body, and charge their swadhisthana chakra or something. Never lose your temper despite the raging ignorance that surrounds you, and your mystical guru cred goes through the roof. It also helps to talk slowly, pause between sentences, and sport an Osho type look.

Seriously, are you going to question the advice of THIS guy?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com...
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6/2/2011 2:45:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/2/2011 2:32:26 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 6/2/2011 1:09:11 PM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 6/2/2011 1:00:45 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Now, are you going to get defensive, or are you going to rectify the situation by cooperating in what was meant to be an honest conversation?

Cosmic have you scanned the post, it is simply a very watered down and mystizied version of pre-physics philosophy and concepts such as Socrates theory of forms. All of this was long abandoned in the academic fields as natural phiolsophy turned into the sciences and empiricism was developed. Even Socrates abandoned the theory of forms himself before he died.

I actually read the whole thing, and had written up a long post explaining what I thought each meant in simple terms, but I decided against it, because I wanted to see the kind of information that Justin was extracting from it.

Even the principles that I can agree with to an extent, I'm aware of the fact that I'd get a very different interpretation than Justin. I say this because even taking into account that Justin might not know the proper words, it still seems like he has no idea what the hell he's talking about.

I was hoping that Justin would use this as an opportunity to show that maybe he actually understands the crap he's trying to rattle off as knowledge or wisdom. Of course, he responded in exactly the manner I predicted.

Unless Justin really is a Poe(which is still a distinct possibility in my book), I don't think he understands that just about anyone can parrot off this pseudo-mystical non-sense and sound like they know what they are talking about to schmucks who want to look more enlightened than they are.

I do it all the time. I know a lot of New Agers. If you've convinced them that you are the "Dude of the Most Chill, and Mystical Guru of the Highest Calibur", just about anything goes. Take a bottle of horse vomit, and tell a New Ager that rubbing the contents of this container on their body will cause the energy to flow into their body, and charge their swadhisthana chakra or something. Never lose your temper despite the raging ignorance that surrounds you, and your mystical guru cred goes through the roof. It also helps to talk slowly, pause between sentences, and sport an Osho type look.

Seriously, are you going to question the advice of THIS guy?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com...

Don't down play me as my superior Cosmic, you are far from it. You are nothing better than what you accuse and assume of me. Your posts all prove this much.
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6/2/2011 3:35:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/2/2011 2:45:24 PM, Justin_Chains wrote:
At 6/2/2011 2:32:26 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 6/2/2011 1:09:11 PM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 6/2/2011 1:00:45 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Now, are you going to get defensive, or are you going to rectify the situation by cooperating in what was meant to be an honest conversation?

Cosmic have you scanned the post, it is simply a very watered down and mystizied version of pre-physics philosophy and concepts such as Socrates theory of forms. All of this was long abandoned in the academic fields as natural phiolsophy turned into the sciences and empiricism was developed. Even Socrates abandoned the theory of forms himself before he died.

I actually read the whole thing, and had written up a long post explaining what I thought each meant in simple terms, but I decided against it, because I wanted to see the kind of information that Justin was extracting from it.

Even the principles that I can agree with to an extent, I'm aware of the fact that I'd get a very different interpretation than Justin. I say this because even taking into account that Justin might not know the proper words, it still seems like he has no idea what the hell he's talking about.

I was hoping that Justin would use this as an opportunity to show that maybe he actually understands the crap he's trying to rattle off as knowledge or wisdom. Of course, he responded in exactly the manner I predicted.

Unless Justin really is a Poe(which is still a distinct possibility in my book), I don't think he understands that just about anyone can parrot off this pseudo-mystical non-sense and sound like they know what they are talking about to schmucks who want to look more enlightened than they are.

I do it all the time. I know a lot of New Agers. If you've convinced them that you are the "Dude of the Most Chill, and Mystical Guru of the Highest Calibur", just about anything goes. Take a bottle of horse vomit, and tell a New Ager that rubbing the contents of this container on their body will cause the energy to flow into their body, and charge their swadhisthana chakra or something. Never lose your temper despite the raging ignorance that surrounds you, and your mystical guru cred goes through the roof. It also helps to talk slowly, pause between sentences, and sport an Osho type look.

Seriously, are you going to question the advice of THIS guy?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com...

Don't down play me as my superior Cosmic, you are far from it. You are nothing better than what you accuse and assume of me. Your posts all prove this much.

If you knew who you were talking to, you wouldn't say that.

Last I checked, a recent poll conducted by the BBC placed yours truly as the most kicking rad individual who ever decided to grace humanity with his obviously superior presence.
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6/2/2011 3:46:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/2/2011 2:32:26 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:

Unless Justin really is a Poe(which is still a distinct possibility in my book)

Not a chance.

I do it all the time. I know a lot of New Agers.

You really need to do to India, you are dealing with amateurs, they have the real deal.
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6/2/2011 4:07:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It's quite upsetting that nobody can even respect a thread's topic on this site. There hasn't been any mature intelligent conversation about The Kyballion, which was the entire point of this forum.

Very disappointing.