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Ore_Ele
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6/9/2011 5:54:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
http://www.scientificamerican.com...

The Placebo effect is well documented. Simply believing a medication will work, will actually increase the chances of it working (even if you weren't given any medicine at all).

Does this work as an excuse that if someone believes in something that is scientifically false, that it can be acceptable to allow them to continue in ignorance?
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CosmicAlfonzo
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6/9/2011 6:04:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
If people didn't believe in false things..

Society would fuggin collapse.

There is a bountiful harvest of schmucks out there, and they are like the gasoline to the economy's engine.
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innomen
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6/9/2011 6:06:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I don't know. I think it will only work on certain types of people that really believe that a tablet will work, but if there is some doubt and they are waiting to see the results with some skepticism then i think it will fail.
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6/9/2011 6:10:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
OreELe, are you stalking me or something? You have to be.

Every time I start researching something, you freak'n post about it? Are you using a key logger on me or something?
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Ore_Ele
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6/9/2011 7:02:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/9/2011 6:10:51 PM, Koopin wrote:
OreELe, are you stalking me or something? You have to be.

Every time I start researching something, you freak'n post about it? Are you using a key logger on me or something?

Since Cody stepped down as the local Nazi someone had to step up. I had askbob hack everyone's account and install spyware and all y'all's computers.

BTW, if Danielle emails you asking if you want to see her coconuts, they're just coconut carvings she got from vacation at hawaii, I don't want to see anyone's hopes and dreams get crushed again... poor lionheart, it was the real reason he left.
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Ore_Ele
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6/9/2011 7:27:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/9/2011 7:24:55 PM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 6/9/2011 7:02:15 PM, OreEle wrote:

Since Cody stepped down as the local Nazi

Wait, when?

I think it was like a year and a half ago.
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Koopin
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6/9/2011 7:49:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/9/2011 7:02:15 PM, OreEle wrote:

BTW, if Danielle emails you asking if you want to see her coconuts, they're just coconut carvings she got from vacation at hawaii, I don't want to see anyone's hopes and dreams get crushed again... poor lionheart, it was the real reason he left.

lol
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Rockylightning
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6/9/2011 11:26:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Could the placebo effect work on bigger things?

ex. Did the "Little engine that could" climb that mountain because he "Thought he could"
Puck
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6/9/2011 11:34:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/9/2011 5:54:02 PM, OreEle wrote:
http://www.scientificamerican.com...

The Placebo effect is well documented. Simply believing a medication will work, will actually increase the chances of it working (even if you weren't given any medicine at all).

That is worded confusingly. >.< Without medication, some will show a sign of improvement in some measure, if they believe medication was received. It's also a factor in such things as doctor > patient care, as in time spent interacting with a patient (the cornerstone of homeopathic treatment centers is the "doctor" patient relationship - which can prove beneficial with no regards to the treatment actually received). It also affects things like thinking you are drunk if you take placebo alcohol - which can be advanced if you notice others appearing drunk from the same liquid - but are part of the experimental design.

Does this work as an excuse that if someone believes in something that is scientifically false, that it can be acceptable to allow them to continue in ignorance?

No more than anyone else not checking the causal nature of their beliefs.
Cliff.Stamp
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6/10/2011 7:41:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/9/2011 5:54:02 PM, OreEle wrote:

Does this work as an excuse that if someone believes in something that is scientifically false, that it can be acceptable to allow them to continue in ignorance?

If people were using a treatment that worked why would you stop it from working simply because they may not understand why it is working?
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6/10/2011 8:30:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/10/2011 7:41:04 AM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 6/9/2011 5:54:02 PM, OreEle wrote:

Does this work as an excuse that if someone believes in something that is scientifically false, that it can be acceptable to allow them to continue in ignorance?

If people were using a treatment that worked why would you stop it from working simply because they may not understand why it is working?

Being a douche has worked out for me these last 18 years, why stop now?
darkkermit
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6/10/2011 8:30:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/9/2011 5:54:02 PM, OreEle wrote:
http://www.scientificamerican.com...

The Placebo effect is well documented. Simply believing a medication will work, will actually increase the chances of it working (even if you weren't given any medicine at all).

Does this work as an excuse that if someone believes in something that is scientifically false, that it can be acceptable to allow them to continue in ignorance?

I can see nothing wrong with it:
Open borders debate:
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Cliff.Stamp
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6/10/2011 9:17:03 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/10/2011 8:30:19 AM, Thaddeus wrote:

Being a douche has worked out for me these last 18 years, why stop now?

That is what beastality porn does to you.
badger
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6/10/2011 2:03:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/10/2011 7:41:04 AM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 6/9/2011 5:54:02 PM, OreEle wrote:

Does this work as an excuse that if someone believes in something that is scientifically false, that it can be acceptable to allow them to continue in ignorance?

If people were using a treatment that worked why would you stop it from working simply because they may not understand why it is working?

this. religion is evil though.
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badger
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6/10/2011 2:12:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
i've smoked turf with a fella before who we'd told it was hash and he got stoned off his head. then bought a quarter of turf. lol
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badger
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6/10/2011 2:49:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/10/2011 2:12:20 PM, badger wrote:
i've smoked turf with a fella before who we'd told it was hash and he got stoned off his head. then bought a quarter of turf. lol

am i absolved in that he got stoned? :)
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Cliff.Stamp
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6/10/2011 5:52:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/10/2011 2:12:20 PM, badger wrote:
i've smoked turf with a fella before who we'd told it was hash and he got stoned off his head. then bought a quarter of turf. lol

Maybe you got the weed touch, sort of like Tommy Chong meets Midas.
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6/10/2011 6:07:48 PM
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At 6/10/2011 6:05:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/10/2011 6:01:21 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Placebo effect ~= Viagra

i seriously doubt that.

I know from experience.
Kfc.
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6/10/2011 6:14:38 PM
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At 6/10/2011 6:07:48 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/10/2011 6:05:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/10/2011 6:01:21 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Placebo effect ~= Viagra

i seriously doubt that.

I know from experience.

what experience? no horn? i've been demented off my nut and it's brought a horn outa me.
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badger
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6/10/2011 6:35:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/10/2011 6:14:38 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/10/2011 6:07:48 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/10/2011 6:05:23 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/10/2011 6:01:21 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Placebo effect ~= Viagra

i seriously doubt that.

I know from experience.

what experience? no horn? i've been demented off my nut and it's brought a horn outa me.

and the hornyness...
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Cliff.Stamp
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6/10/2011 10:41:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/10/2011 6:39:19 PM, badger wrote:
i wouldn't advise it though. my heart takes fair pounding ;)

badger, no offense but if you are taking viagra and the only thing taking a pounding is your heart then I think you are doing it wrong.
badger
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6/11/2011 9:45:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/10/2011 10:41:18 PM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 6/10/2011 6:39:19 PM, badger wrote:
i wouldn't advise it though. my heart takes fair pounding ;)

badger, no offense but if you are taking viagra and the only thing taking a pounding is your heart then I think you are doing it wrong.

who said it was? :)
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badger
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6/11/2011 9:49:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/11/2011 9:45:56 AM, badger wrote:
At 6/10/2011 10:41:18 PM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 6/10/2011 6:39:19 PM, badger wrote:
i wouldn't advise it though. my heart takes fair pounding ;)

badger, no offense but if you are taking viagra and the only thing taking a pounding is your heart then I think you are doing it wrong.

who said it was? :)

i wasn't advising people to mix viagra with ecstasy in that post :)
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