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Sexual "Relativity" By Society & Culture?

jat93
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7/14/2011 3:26:03 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Apparently in Japan one of the "sexiest" parts of a girl's body is the back of her neck. I found this out recently and it got me thinking about why we find certain things sexually attractive. I mean some are obvious, especially from an evolutionary point of view, you know, privates and such. (Sorry if this post sounds raunchy, it's philosophically motivated take my word for it!) But why do preferences differ by society and over time? In the middle ages in Europe it was sexually desirable for a woman to be plump. Now the American ideal is stick skinny. Hmmmm... Can anyone shed any light on how and why sexual ideals change over time (conceptually, or specific examples)? Or why they are different by region? And while I'm at it, why can guys be overweight but still be found attractive and not be judged harshly by society but it's the exact opposite for women? Sorry if I'm rambling, it's rather late (or early? - 4:30 AM, you be the judge) so my brain might not be functioning at its best...
Pozzo
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7/14/2011 8:47:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Another Japanese... fetish(?) is mussed up hair, which has spread to the West. I think it's something to do with the way hair was done in a tight bun, so having mussed up hair suggested that a woman had either just come from a sexual encounter, or was looking for one.
Some of these are pretty easy though. In the Middle Ages, you had to have money to be able to afford to be plump. Now, fast food is cheap. Having time to go to the gym, eat healthily etc., is a better indicator of success/status/wealth than being fat.
jat93
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7/14/2011 1:43:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/14/2011 8:47:58 AM, Pozzo wrote:
Some of these are pretty easy though. In the Middle Ages, you had to have money to be able to afford to be plump. Now, fast food is cheap. Having time to go to the gym, eat healthily etc., is a better indicator of success/status/wealth than being fat.

Very interesting. The same reasoning can be applied to the fact that it is no physically ideal to be tan, while in the "olden days" it was ideal to be pale because it meant that you were in your house all day, not toiling outside in the fields like a slave.
GeoLaureate8
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7/14/2011 7:06:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/14/2011 8:47:58 AM, Pozzo wrote:
Some of these are pretty easy though. In the Middle Ages, you had to have money to be able to afford to be plump. Now, fast food is cheap. Having time to go to the gym, eat healthily etc., is a better indicator of success/status/wealth than being fat.

That's absurd. I don't see a fit girl and think she's attractive simply because I know she has the wealth to afford the gym and eat healthy. I think she's attractive because she's fit, not how she got fit.

Besides, people like Krysten Stewart don't even go to the gym or eat healthy, yet she's still fit.
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Pozzo
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7/15/2011 8:50:23 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/14/2011 7:06:30 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/14/2011 8:47:58 AM, Pozzo wrote:
Some of these are pretty easy though. In the Middle Ages, you had to have money to be able to afford to be plump. Now, fast food is cheap. Having time to go to the gym, eat healthily etc., is a better indicator of success/status/wealth than being fat.

That's absurd. I don't see a fit girl and think she's attractive simply because I know she has the wealth to afford the gym and eat healthy. I think she's attractive because she's fit, not how she got fit.
Besides, people like Krysten Stewart don't even go to the gym or eat healthy, yet she's still fit.

You've misunderstood. These are the reasons behind society's definition of these women as attractive. On an individual level, they are mainly irrelevant. Some guys like feet. Some guys like plump girls. Some guys like black girls, Chinese girls, whatever. You get the point. Most of that has little to do with society as a whole. On a larger scale, the standard definition of an attractive woman is slim, fit, etc., for the reasons above. You're socialised to find thin women attractive, but you aren't socialised to think "thin women are wealthy so they are attractive".
Whether or not they actually go to the gym is also irrelevant. I might not have been clear, but I meant that it's the end product, being thin, that counts.
jat93
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7/21/2011 12:50:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Something else interesting, some newspaper interviewed some women from some third world country or something and when they found out that guys found breasts attractive in the slightest they cracked up and said "what are they, babies?!"
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7/21/2011 12:54:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/21/2011 11:14:29 AM, Lasagna wrote:
A lot of the black hip hip stars like women with extremely fat a55es. <- my 2 cents

50 cent

adjusted for rapflation.
jat93
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7/21/2011 1:06:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/21/2011 12:54:10 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/21/2011 11:14:29 AM, Lasagna wrote:
A lot of the black hip hip stars like women with extremely fat a55es. <- my 2 cents

50 cent

adjusted for rapflation.

Win
eball45
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7/21/2011 1:20:05 PM
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Men are atracted to women with well porpotioned waist to hip ratios. These women appear to have an advantage when it comes to bearing children. Nice breasts are merely a bonus:) and a bigger bonus to some more than others. But, were all a** men at heart.... or brain I suppose.
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7/21/2011 1:50:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/15/2011 8:50:23 AM, Pozzo wrote:
At 7/14/2011 7:06:30 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/14/2011 8:47:58 AM, Pozzo wrote:
Some of these are pretty easy though. In the Middle Ages, you had to have money to be able to afford to be plump. Now, fast food is cheap. Having time to go to the gym, eat healthily etc., is a better indicator of success/status/wealth than being fat.

That's absurd. I don't see a fit girl and think she's attractive simply because I know she has the wealth to afford the gym and eat healthy. I think she's attractive because she's fit, not how she got fit.
Besides, people like Krysten Stewart don't even go to the gym or eat healthy, yet she's still fit.

You've misunderstood. These are the reasons behind society's definition of these women as attractive. On an individual level, they are mainly irrelevant. Some guys like feet. Some guys like plump girls. Some guys like black girls, Chinese girls, whatever. You get the point. Most of that has little to do with society as a whole. On a larger scale, the standard definition of an attractive woman is slim, fit, etc., for the reasons above. You're socialised to find thin women attractive, but you aren't socialised to think "thin women are wealthy so they are attractive".
Whether or not they actually go to the gym is also irrelevant. I might not have been clear, but I meant that it's the end product, being thin, that counts.

Utterly false. I haven't been socialized any whatsoever to believe that fit women are attractive. I have found thin girls attractive since 3rd grade.
And I had no television and no friends or reletaves who brought up attraction so what how could I have possibly been conditioned to believe a certain size woman is more attractive?
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat