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New technology may make lying impossible

vbaculum
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9/9/2011 12:55:54 PM
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Estonian researchers have recently discovered a way to use magnets to make it impossible to lie (http://uk.ibtimes.com...). I've also read that fMRI scanner may one day make it possible to lie without being detected. How do you feel about a would where, at least in some circumstances (like being under oath or a job interview) you aren't permitted by others (the state, a company) to lie?
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Wnope
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9/9/2011 1:04:48 PM
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At 9/9/2011 12:55:54 PM, vbaculum wrote:
Estonian researchers have recently discovered a way to use magnets to make it impossible to lie (http://uk.ibtimes.com...). I've also read that fMRI scanner may one day make it possible to lie without being detected. How do you feel about a would where, at least in some circumstances (like being under oath or a job interview) you aren't permitted by others (the state, a company) to lie?

I suggest re-reading the article.

"Results showed that the eight volunteers who had their left DPC stimulated lied more often, while the ones with the right DPC stimulated were more likely to tell the truth, researchers said."

If you stim someone's right DPC, all you do is increase the probability of a truthful answer.

Don't get too caught up in media hype.
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9/9/2011 1:50:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/9/2011 1:04:48 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 9/9/2011 12:55:54 PM, vbaculum wrote:
Estonian researchers have recently discovered a way to use magnets to make it impossible to lie (http://uk.ibtimes.com...). I've also read that fMRI scanner may one day make it possible to lie without being detected. How do you feel about a would where, at least in some circumstances (like being under oath or a job interview) you aren't permitted by others (the state, a company) to lie?

I suggest re-reading the article.

"Results showed that the eight volunteers who had their left DPC stimulated lied more often, while the ones with the right DPC stimulated were more likely to tell the truth, researchers said."

If you stim someone's right DPC, all you do is increase the probability of a truthful answer.

Don't get too caught up in media hype.

That's a good catch. But the larger point is that we seem to be headed in the direction where we won't be able to lie in some circumstances. Sam Harris has written "The development of mind-reading technology is in its infancy, of course.
But reliable lie-detection will be much easier to achieve than accurate mind reading. Whether on not we ever crack the neural code, enabling us to download a person's private thoughts, memories, and perceptions without distortion, we will almost surely be able to determine, to a moral certainty, whether a person is representing his thoughts, memories, and perceptions honestly in conversation." (http://www.samharris.org...)
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Wnope
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9/9/2011 4:31:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/9/2011 1:50:24 PM, vbaculum wrote:
At 9/9/2011 1:04:48 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 9/9/2011 12:55:54 PM, vbaculum wrote:
Estonian researchers have recently discovered a way to use magnets to make it impossible to lie (http://uk.ibtimes.com...). I've also read that fMRI scanner may one day make it possible to lie without being detected. How do you feel about a would where, at least in some circumstances (like being under oath or a job interview) you aren't permitted by others (the state, a company) to lie?

I suggest re-reading the article.

"Results showed that the eight volunteers who had their left DPC stimulated lied more often, while the ones with the right DPC stimulated were more likely to tell the truth, researchers said."

If you stim someone's right DPC, all you do is increase the probability of a truthful answer.

Don't get too caught up in media hype.

That's a good catch. But the larger point is that we seem to be headed in the direction where we won't be able to lie in some circumstances. Sam Harris has written "The development of mind-reading technology is in its infancy, of course.
But reliable lie-detection will be much easier to achieve than accurate mind reading. Whether on not we ever crack the neural code, enabling us to download a person's private thoughts, memories, and perceptions without distortion, we will almost surely be able to determine, to a moral certainty, whether a person is representing his thoughts, memories, and perceptions honestly in conversation." (http://www.samharris.org...)

I would agree with his general point. There are other indicators for lying such as fMRI studies where different parts of the brain "light up" if they are remembering an image or creating an image.

The key to fMRI lie detecting is that the fMRI indicates the neural processes involved in making a statement. You can't feed it someone's statement and have it say whether its a lie. When an fMRI detects that the neural process used doesn't match the neural process the interviewee claims (such as claiming to remember an image while really creating one). However, there's overlap in which processes are used for truthful and false statements, the fMRI can only show the dominance of one over others at a certain time.

Have you heard of micro-expressions? Take a look at those. It works on the same principle. You look for a micro-expression emotional indicator that contradicts the claimed emotion (being angry when saying sad).
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9/9/2011 7:17:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/9/2011 12:55:54 PM, vbaculum wrote:
Estonian researchers have recently discovered a way to use magnets to make it impossible to lie (http://uk.ibtimes.com...). I've also read that fMRI scanner may one day make it possible to lie without being detected. How do you feel about a would where, at least in some circumstances (like being under oath or a job interview) you aren't permitted by others (the state, a company) to lie?

Stepping aside of the article and moving to the hypothetical question, something that is 100% accurate at detecting a lie is superior to something that is 100% accurate at stopping lies to begin with.

Allowing people to lie and get caught is an excellent method of determining their personality traits and weighing their value.
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