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why is the holocaust immoral?

izbo10
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9/10/2011 11:02:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Cerebral Narcissist and Thett are having a hard time grasping this. I don't feel like going into a long explanation, but without using god would anybody want to explain this to them.
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9/10/2011 11:03:42 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:02:07 AM, izbo10 wrote:
Cerebral Narcissist and Thett are having a hard time grasping this. I don't feel like going into a long explanation, but without using god would anybody want to explain this to them.

Why are you assigning false opinions to me to avoid the most basic of philosphical questions?
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9/10/2011 11:04:49 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
This is sad, Izbo. Thett3 was asking you where you had the authority to assume what is right or wrong and you equate it to being equal to saying, 'The Holocaust is immoral'.

What a pity indeed, I must say.
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9/10/2011 11:05:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I dunno--how can we know anything is moral? OR immoral for that matter?

You just can't grasp this concept, can you?
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izbo10
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9/10/2011 11:06:23 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Can;t wait to here him say the holocaust was not morally wrong. This ought to be great.

It was not morally wrong because morals don't exist, there are no objective moral facts. To speak of morality is an argument from emotion and an argument from popularity.

This is cerebral's post so he is now lying.
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9/10/2011 11:07:03 AM
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My statement was, the holocaust could not be OBJECTIVELY morally wrong because there is no such thing as objective morality, no objective moral facts.

Unfortunately Izbo still does not understand what objective means, despite claiming to hold to moral objectivism.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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9/10/2011 11:07:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:06:23 AM, izbo10 wrote:
Can;t wait to here him say the holocaust was not morally wrong. This ought to be great.


It was not morally wrong because morals don't exist, there are no objective moral facts. To speak of morality is an argument from emotion and an argument from popularity.

This is cerebral's post so he is now lying.

You're right. I'll be the brave one to say that, in an objective, universal sense, the holocaust was not immoral. But it also was not moral either.
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9/10/2011 11:08:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm sure there would be people like Tiel to defend Izbo10 and claim that we cannot question his moral presupposition...
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9/10/2011 11:08:32 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:06:23 AM, izbo10 wrote:
Can;t wait to here him say the holocaust was not morally wrong. This ought to be great.


It was not morally wrong because morals don't exist, there are no objective moral facts. To speak of morality is an argument from emotion and an argument from popularity.

This is cerebral's post so he is now lying.

Which vindicates me. How do you excuse your dishonesty?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
izbo10
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9/10/2011 11:13:17 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
You can tell he doesn't like the conclusions from his position he is trying to defend. When called out on another board he is backing down like a bitch. Again say the holocaust was not immoral. Please be honest.
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9/10/2011 11:14:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:13:17 AM, izbo10 wrote:
You can tell he doesn't like the conclusions from his position he is trying to defend. When called out on another board he is backing down like a bitch. Again say the holocaust was not immoral. Please be honest.

From an OBJECTIVE standpoint, the holocaust was not, in fact, moral or immoral.
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9/10/2011 11:20:09 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:13:17 AM, izbo10 wrote:
You can tell he doesn't like the conclusions from his position he is trying to defend. When called out on another board he is backing down like a bitch. Again say the holocaust was not immoral. Please be honest.

The holocaust was not objectively moral nor immoral because there is no such as objective moral facts.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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9/10/2011 12:00:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 11:06:23 AM, izbo10 wrote:
Can;t wait to here him say the holocaust was not morally wrong. This ought to be great.:

Most people believe the holocaust was morally wrong. Where you go horribly awry, is not understanding that it's ultimately an opinion.
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9/10/2011 3:38:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
The holocaust isn't immoral objectively, a certain position of morality is only a matter of individual perception.

Immoral = Negative perception
Moral - Positive perception
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9/10/2011 4:42:51 PM
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The holocaust was immoral in our eyes, but not to WWII Germans, because society determines what is morally correct.
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Cerebral_Narcissist
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9/11/2011 2:00:15 AM
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Hmm... this thread did not turn out quite the way you had hoped did it?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.