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moral nihilists do you ever feel guilty/bad?

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10/13/2011 7:48:30 AM
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This is not an attack thread, it's really something I want to understand. If there are no moral values, then how can you feel bad if you've wronged another person? How would you even know that you've wronged them?
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10/13/2011 8:38:17 AM
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Ethical Nihilism doesn't deny that there exist subjective emotional responses to particular states of affairs. It denies that there exists any objective ethical quality to those states of affairs. There's no contradiction between feeling guilty about something while believing that it isn't ethically wrong.
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10/13/2011 9:15:28 AM
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Nihilists reject absolute, universal, objective, independent-of-man truths. But it can certainly be recognized that emotions exist. After all, emotions are merely conditions that people have evolved in order for us to further our species - it's an evolutionary adaptation.

It's already made clear through cases with sociopaths or psychopaths that these emotions can be made obsolete, if the physical and chemical connection required for such emotions are not functioning properly. Therefore, we know that emotions only exist in the context of our physical and social functions.

Therefore, we can conclude that although emotions may not a necessary "truth" for our reality, they serve as a useful construct in order for humans to interact and create their societies.
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10/13/2011 3:15:17 PM
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Someone who does not couple negative emotional reactions with certain perceptions (like seeing acts of violence) is commonly known as a sociopath.

A moral nihilist acknowledges these emotional sentiments without granting axiomatic validity.
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10/13/2011 4:27:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/13/2011 7:48:30 AM, thett3 wrote:
This is not an attack thread, it's really something I want to understand. If there are no moral values, then how can you feel bad if you've wronged another person? How would you even know that you've wronged them?

Wronged? What does that mean? Guilt? For what?
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10/13/2011 4:47:27 PM
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At 10/13/2011 4:27:57 PM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 10/13/2011 7:48:30 AM, thett3 wrote:
This is not an attack thread, it's really something I want to understand. If there are no moral values, then how can you feel bad if you've wronged another person? How would you even know that you've wronged them?

Wronged? What does that mean? Guilt? For what?

Oh, so you mean you can't say that you've "wronged someone" because it isnt something that can be objectively measured?

oh, and in case it appears this way, I'm not attacking moral nihilism, I'm just trying to understand it
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10/13/2011 5:52:27 PM
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I think it could be understood like this.

Morality is commonly thought of as being what you aught to do.

Now, you might question, "Aught to do for what?".

Most are incapable of answering that question in a satisfactory way, so people become moral nihilists.

The majority of people don't even know what morality is, or how it was originally deduced. Unfortunately, morality to the masses is just something that has been passed down by tradition.

When you get deep into the philosophical moralities, they are sculpted by one's priorities. What is moral to a Democrat for instance may be immoral to a Republican, and visa versa. This is because they have different priorities.

Morality is entirely sculpted by the grid that you place over reality. If you are presented with a morality grid that doesn't fit in with the grid you've placed over your reality grid, it is very easy to say that morality doesn't exist.

A moral nihilist may not believe in the world of phantoms, but human beings are forced to live in the world of phantoms. Whether you believe in it or not. Most people do not like it when something is done to them that hinders them in some way. A moral nihilist would feel guilt because of empathy.
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10/13/2011 9:31:18 PM
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At 10/13/2011 4:47:27 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/13/2011 4:27:57 PM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 10/13/2011 7:48:30 AM, thett3 wrote:
This is not an attack thread, it's really something I want to understand. If there are no moral values, then how can you feel bad if you've wronged another person? How would you even know that you've wronged them?

Wronged? What does that mean? Guilt? For what?

Oh, so you mean you can't say that you've "wronged someone" because it isnt something that can be objectively measured?

oh, and in case it appears this way, I'm not attacking moral nihilism, I'm just trying to understand it

Not that I'm a moral nihilist... but...

I can't say I've wronged someone because the concept "wrong" is meaningless. What is this strange thing you speak of?
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10/14/2011 12:19:39 PM
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At 10/13/2011 7:48:30 AM, thett3 wrote:
This is not an attack thread, it's really something I want to understand. If there are no moral values, then how can you feel bad if you've wronged another person? How would you even know that you've wronged them?

There are no OBJECTIVE moral values.

I did something that was morally wrong is not a truth statement in a meaningful sense of the word.

As a moral nihilist I embrace empathy.
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10/17/2011 11:35:48 PM
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Because moral nihilists are humans. The only reason anyone would cling to moral guidelines in the first place is out of emotional impulse. Nihilists have the same emotional impulses, they just realize that the idea of morality is illogical. This has no actual consequence on their actions because they would still strongly dislike killing people, etc.
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