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Agorism and anarcho capitalism

socialpinko
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10/22/2011 2:17:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I've been researching the differences between the two propertarian anarchist camps of anarcho capitalism and agorism and am finding it hard to find any sort of meaningful difference.

From what I've read the difference is that agorism rejects all electoral politics(a position I'm sympathetic to) while anarcho capitalists(such as Rothbard) are willing to be involved and in Rothbard's case even lead a political movement. Agorists on the other hand are strictly apolitical.

Agorists are also more likely to adopt alliances with anti-authoritarian leftist groups such as those in the 1960's. Again, Rothbard rather characteristically was a large supporter of this(at least early on).

The only differences I've found in the two camps are the differences in means (alliances and electoral politics). But whenever I read about agorism it is described as a "revolutionary leftist" camp as opposed to anarcho capitalism. Can anyone explain any other meaningful differences in ideological makeup?
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10/22/2011 2:48:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Enough leftists don't realize that agora means market to permit agorists to get away with allying with them in a way ancaps can't :P
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10/22/2011 3:07:43 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Nope.

I'm not sure why agorism is considered leftist, tbh. Some say the left ultimately strives for certain things, including peace, prosperity, progress, freedom, anti-racism, anti-imperialism, LGBT liberation, feminism, environmental sustainability, labor solidarity, etc. Meanwhile, the right doesn't care about those goals specifically, but rather thinks some of those things would exist or not exist if their proposals were implemented.

For instance, a capitalist like Ragnar might say that racism would probably not exist under capitalism because the employer (obviously the only important people in a capitalist society - duh) would seek to hire the best (and cheapest) employee for the job regardless of their race. Similarly everyone would be afforded equal rights. However, it's obvious to most reasonable people that this would not eliminate something like racism. For one thing, racism in itself is based on a power (class/hierarchy) dichotomy; i.e., I'm white so I'm better and deserve more than you.

Nevertheless, the point is that - in my interpretation, which doesn't count for much - the Right seems to have two specific goals: the right to one's own person and property. That's it. They believe anything that happens as a result is perfectly moral in scope, so long as those things are protected. Meanwhile the left usually cites more lofty aspirations. I'm not sure agorism does.

Besides, isn't the left usually associated with abolition of private property? Well, I guess you can't really say that; some liberals and socialists are considered leftist, though they are certainly not against property. This just goes to show ya how blurry and useless the lines and distinctions are. Would a libertarian be classified as left or right? In short, it doesn't really matter. Pigeonholing ideologies into categories like this is kind of futile if you ask me.
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socialpinko
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10/22/2011 3:26:02 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
On the point of accomplishing goals of ending racism, homophobia, sexism, etc. and being pro-labor yes that seems to be a partial goal of agorism(or at least prominent agorists) as well as achieving a market anarchist society. They align themselves more with mutualists it seems to salvage the respect of other anarchist camps. But anyways, they seem to be more socially conscious than anarcho capitalists or paleolibertarians.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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: : DDO should discredit support of sexual violence at any time and in every way.
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: I disagree.