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11/15/2011 10:26:46 PM
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George Washington's Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation
(Note: The original spelling and punctuation was retained)

1. Every Action done in Company, ought to be with Some Sign of Respect, to those that are Present.

2. When in Company, put not your Hands to any Part of the Body, not usually Discovered.

3. Show Nothing to your Friend that may affright him.

4. In the Presence of Others Sing not to yourself with a humming Noise, nor Drum with your Fingers or Feet.

5. If You Cough, Sneeze, Sigh, or Yawn, do it not Loud but Privately; and Speak not in your Yawning, but put Your handkerchief or Hand before your face and turn aside.

6. Sleep not when others Speak, Sit not when others stand, Speak not when you Should hold your Peace, walk not on when others Stop.

7. Put not off your Cloths in the presence of Others, nor go out your Chamber half Dressed.

8. At Play and at Fire its Good manners to Give Place to the last Commer, and affect not to Speak Louder than Ordinary.

9. Spit not in the Fire, nor Stoop low before it neither Put your Hands into the Flames to warm them, nor Set your Feet upon the Fire especially if there be meat before it.

10. When you Sit down, Keep your Feet firm and Even, without putting one on the other or Crossing them.

11. Shift not yourself in the Sight of others nor Gnaw your nails.

12. Shake not the head, Feet, or Legs roll not the Eyes lift not one eyebrow higher than the other wry not the mouth, and bedew no mans face with your Spittle, by approaching too near him when you Speak.

13. Kill no Vermin as Fleas, lice ticks &c in the Sight of Others, if you See any filth or thick Spittle put your foot Dexterously upon it if it be upon the Cloths of your Companions, Put it off privately, and if it be upon your own Cloths return Thanks to him who puts it off.

14. Turn not your Back to others especially in Speaking, Jog not the Table or Desk on which Another reads or writes, lean not upon any one.

15. Keep your Nails clean and Short, also your Hands and Teeth Clean yet without Showing any great Concern for them.

16. Do not Puff up the Cheeks, Loll not out the tongue rub the Hands, or beard, thrust out the lips, or bite them or keep the Lips too open or too Close.

17. Be no Flatterer, neither Play with any that delights not to be Play'd Withal.

18. Read no Letters, Books, or Papers in Company but when there is a Necessity for the doing of it you must ask leave: come not near the Books or Writings of Another so as to read them unless desired or give your opinion of them unasked also look not nigh when another is writing a Letter.

19. Let your Countenance be pleasant but in Serious Matters Somewhat grave.

20. The Gestures of the Body must be Suited to the discourse you are upon.

21. Reproach none for the Infirmities of Nature, nor Delight to Put them that have in mind thereof.

22. Show not yourself glad at the Misfortune of another though he were your enemy.

23. When you see a Crime punished, you may be inwardly Pleased; but always show Pity to the Suffering Offender.
Don't draw attention to yourself.

24. Do not laugh too loud or too much at any Public Spectacle.

25. Superfluous Complements and all Affectation of Ceremony are to be avoided, yet where due they are not to be Neglected.

26. In Pulling off your Hat to Persons of Distinction, as Noblemen, Justices, Churchmen & make a Reverence, bowing more or less according to the Custom of the Better Bred, and Quality of the Person. Amongst your equals expect not always that they Should begin with you first, but to Pull off the Hat when there is no need is Affectation, in the Manner of Saluting and resaluting in words keep to the most usual Custom.

27. Tis ill manners to bid one more eminent than yourself be covered as well as not to do it to whom it's due Likewise he that makes too much haste to Put on his hat does not well, yet he ought to Put it on at the first, or at most the Second time of being asked; now what is herein Spoken, of Qualification in behavior in Saluting, ought also to be observed in taking of Place, and Sitting down for ceremonies without Bounds is troublesome.

28. If any one come to Speak to you while you are are Sitting Stand up though he be your Inferior, and when you Present Seats let it be to every one according to his Degree.

29. When you meet with one of Greater Quality than yourself, Stop, and retire especially if it be at a Door or any Straight place to give way for him to Pass.

30. In walking the highest Place in most Countries Seems to be on the right hand therefore Place yourself on the left of him whom you desire to Honor: but if three walk together the middest Place is the most Honorable the wall is usually given to the most worthy if two walk together.

31. If any one far Surpasses others, either in age, Estate, or Merit yet would give Place to a meaner than himself in his own lodging or elsewhere the one ought not to except it, So he on the other part should not use much earnestness nor offer it above once or twice.

32. To one that is your equal, or not much inferior you are to give the chief Place in your Lodging and he to who ‘is offered ought at the first to refuse it but at the Second to accept though not without acknowledging his own unworthiness.

33. They that are in Dignity or in office have in all places Precedency but whilst they are Young they ought to respect those that are their equals in Birth or other Qualities, though they have no Public charge.

34. It is good Manners to prefer them to whom we Speak before ourselves especially if they be above us with whom in no Sort we ought to begin.

35. Let your Discourse with Men of Business be Short and Comprehensive.

36. Artificers & Persons of low Degree ought not to use many ceremonies to Lords, or Others of high Degree but Respect and highly Honor them, and those of high Degree ought to treat them with affability & Courtesy, without Arrogance.

37. In speaking to men of Quality do not lean nor Look them full in the Face, nor approach too near them at lest Keep a full Pace from them.

38. In visiting the Sick, do not Presently play the Physician if you be not Knowing therein.

39. In writing or Speaking, give to every Person his due Title According to his Degree & the Custom of the Place.

40. Strive not with your Superiors in argument, but always Submit your Judgment to others with Modesty.

41. Undertake not to Teach your equal in the art himself Professes; it Savours of arrogance.

42. Let thy ceremonies in Courtesy be proper to the Dignity of his place with whom thou converses for it is absurd to act the same with a Clown and a Prince.

43. Do not express Joy before one sick or in pain for that contrary Passion will aggravate his Misery.

44. When a man does all he can though it Succeeds not well blame not him that did it.

45. Being to advise or reprehend any one, consider whether it ought to be in public or in Private; presently, or at Some other time in what terms to do it & in reproving Show no Sign of Cholar but do it with all Sweetness and Mildness.

46. Take all Admonitions thankfully in what Time or Place Soever given but afterwards not being culpable take a Time & Place convenient to let him him know it that gave them.

47. Mock not nor Jest at any thing of Importance break [n]o Jest that are Sharp Biting and if you Deliver any thing witty and Pleasant abstain from Laughing thereat yourself.

48. Wherein you reprove Another be unblameable yourself; for example is more prevalent than Precepts.

49. Use no Reproachful Language against any one neither Curse nor Revile.

50. Be not hasty to believe flying Reports to the Disparagement of any.

51. Wear not your Cloths, foul, ripped or Dusty but See they be Brushed once every day at least and take heed that you approach not to any Uncleaness.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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11/15/2011 10:28:09 PM
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There are more
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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11/18/2011 10:26:23 AM
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Wow I break a lot of those. I bite my nails, rap my fingers... The whole "reading while in company" thing is pertinent to those who sit on their smartphones around other people...
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11/18/2011 10:31:39 AM
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Just because its from Washington doesn't actually mean this means anything. Its 51 assertions from 2 centuries ago.
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11/18/2011 12:44:25 PM
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At 11/18/2011 10:31:39 AM, 000ike wrote:
Just because its from Washington doesn't actually mean this means anything. Its 51 assertions from 2 centuries ago.

First comment that I've heard you say that is actually good.
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11/19/2011 12:00:14 PM
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At 11/18/2011 10:31:39 AM, 000ike wrote:
Just because its from Washington doesn't actually mean this means anything. Its 51 assertions from 2 centuries ago.

Ya, history is quite useless. Especially the words of the most intelligent and brilliant men who ever lived.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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11/19/2011 12:06:29 PM
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At 11/19/2011 12:00:14 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/18/2011 10:31:39 AM, 000ike wrote:
Just because its from Washington doesn't actually mean this means anything. Its 51 assertions from 2 centuries ago.

Ya, history is quite useless. Especially the words of the most intelligent and brilliant men who ever lived.

Do you seriously believe that the institutions of the past should be defended? Keep in mind that also included slavery.
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11/19/2011 1:07:44 PM
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Yesterday I heard a comment on NPR about manners reflecting our level of morality. These rules seem to reinforce that. Your manners demonstrate your level of pride. One rule says to move aside when a person of "higher quality than yourself" is coming through a doorway. The youngin's here probably won't appreciate that for what it means, but he isn't trying to say that we establish a hierarchy of formality, he's saying that you should mind your own sense of superiority and selfishness when around others. If an older person is coming through a doorway at the same time as yourself, step aside and pay them some respect. It doesn't mean they are better than you, it just means you are ensuring you don't make a habit of favoring yourself and thus expressing negative morality. When you adapt these sorts of principles/habits, you feel better about yourself (for being a good person) and actually underscore your own superiority as a person (because people will be impressed by your selflessness).
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11/19/2011 1:17:04 PM
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He was really quite the old fogey.

I guess you couldn't say anything negative about his manners.
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11/19/2011 1:24:24 PM
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I drum everywhere... drum using my fingers (right hand bass drum) left hand (snare)... or use my chest as a bass drum and my thigh as the snare... and if I'm sitting, I'll full-on air drum. It annoys people, but then, their existence annoys me, so it's a fair trade-off. :)

Sorry, Georgey, but I will not conform to your antiquated rules of civility... at least when it comes to that one.
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11/19/2011 2:06:41 PM
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"antiquated rules of civility" Are there some new ones I don't know about? And if so, which of George Washington's rules have they replaced?
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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11/19/2011 2:14:41 PM
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Anyone who practices these "rules" would probably come off as being a charming individual.
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11/19/2011 2:18:22 PM
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At 11/19/2011 2:06:41 PM, sadolite wrote:
"antiquated rules of civility" Are there some new ones I don't know about? And if so, which of George Washington's rules have they replaced?

Yeah, the new rule is "get money, fcuk bitc*es" and it replaces all of GW's old rules.
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11/19/2011 4:10:11 PM
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At 11/19/2011 2:18:22 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 11/19/2011 2:06:41 PM, sadolite wrote:
"antiquated rules of civility" Are there some new ones I don't know about? And if so, which of George Washington's rules have they replaced?

Yeah, the new rule is "get money, fcuk bitc*es" and it replaces all of GW's old rules.

Excellent improvement, you are a poster child of that improvement.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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11/19/2011 4:34:21 PM
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At 11/19/2011 2:14:41 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Anyone who practices these "rules" would probably come off as being a charming individual.

Probably. An out of date, old fashioned old gent, but not really someone you'd want to talk to much.
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11/19/2011 8:00:17 PM
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At 11/19/2011 4:10:11 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/19/2011 2:18:22 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 11/19/2011 2:06:41 PM, sadolite wrote:
"antiquated rules of civility" Are there some new ones I don't know about? And if so, which of George Washington's rules have they replaced?

Yeah, the new rule is "get money, fcuk bitc*es" and it replaces all of GW's old rules.

Excellent improvement, you are a poster child of that improvement.

Yep, she's smart and educated. An improvement over people like you.
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11/19/2011 8:01:42 PM
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I wonder how successful it is to integrate rules so dependent on a set of old values into a society where such values have been modified or changed...
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11/19/2011 8:44:59 PM
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At 11/19/2011 12:00:14 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/18/2011 10:31:39 AM, 000ike wrote:
Just because its from Washington doesn't actually mean this means anything. Its 51 assertions from 2 centuries ago.

Ya, history is quite useless. Especially the words of the most intelligent and brilliant men who ever lived.

Do you really believe that? Smarter than Darwin, Stephan Hawkings, Buddha, Jesus, Mohommed, Gerald Gardner?
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11/19/2011 9:15:06 PM
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At 11/15/2011 10:26:46 PM, sadolite wrote:
George Washington's Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation
(Note: The original spelling and punctuation was retained)

1. Every Action done in Company, ought to be with Some Sign of Respect, to those that are Present.

2. When in Company, put not your Hands to any Part of the Body, not usually Discovered.

3. Show Nothing to your Friend that may affright him.

4. In the Presence of Others Sing not to yourself with a humming Noise, nor Drum with your Fingers or Feet.

5. If You Cough, Sneeze, Sigh, or Yawn, do it not Loud but Privately; and Speak not in your Yawning, but put Your handkerchief or Hand before your face and turn aside.

6. Sleep not when others Speak, Sit not when others stand, Speak not when you Should hold your Peace, walk not on when others Stop.

7. Put not off your Cloths in the presence of Others, nor go out your Chamber half Dressed.

8. At Play and at Fire its Good manners to Give Place to the last Commer, and affect not to Speak Louder than Ordinary.

9. Spit not in the Fire, nor Stoop low before it neither Put your Hands into the Flames to warm them, nor Set your Feet upon the Fire especially if there be meat before it.

10. When you Sit down, Keep your Feet firm and Even, without putting one on the other or Crossing them.

11. Shift not yourself in the Sight of others nor Gnaw your nails.

12. Shake not the head, Feet, or Legs roll not the Eyes lift not one eyebrow higher than the other wry not the mouth, and bedew no mans face with your Spittle, by approaching too near him when you Speak.

13. Kill no Vermin as Fleas, lice ticks &c in the Sight of Others, if you See any filth or thick Spittle put your foot Dexterously upon it if it be upon the Cloths of your Companions, Put it off privately, and if it be upon your own Cloths return Thanks to him who puts it off.

14. Turn not your Back to others especially in Speaking, Jog not the Table or Desk on which Another reads or writes, lean not upon any one.

15. Keep your Nails clean and Short, also your Hands and Teeth Clean yet without Showing any great Concern for them.

16. Do not Puff up the Cheeks, Loll not out the tongue rub the Hands, or beard, thrust out the lips, or bite them or keep the Lips too open or too Close.

17. Be no Flatterer, neither Play with any that delights not to be Play'd Withal.

18. Read no Letters, Books, or Papers in Company but when there is a Necessity for the doing of it you must ask leave: come not near the Books or Writings of Another so as to read them unless desired or give your opinion of them unasked also look not nigh when another is writing a Letter.

19. Let your Countenance be pleasant but in Serious Matters Somewhat grave.

20. The Gestures of the Body must be Suited to the discourse you are upon.

21. Reproach none for the Infirmities of Nature, nor Delight to Put them that have in mind thereof.

22. Show not yourself glad at the Misfortune of another though he were your enemy.

23. When you see a Crime punished, you may be inwardly Pleased; but always show Pity to the Suffering Offender.
Don't draw attention to yourself.

24. Do not laugh too loud or too much at any Public Spectacle.

25. Superfluous Complements and all Affectation of Ceremony are to be avoided, yet where due they are not to be Neglected.

26. In Pulling off your Hat to Persons of Distinction, as Noblemen, Justices, Churchmen & make a Reverence, bowing more or less according to the Custom of the Better Bred, and Quality of the Person. Amongst your equals expect not always that they Should begin with you first, but to Pull off the Hat when there is no need is Affectation, in the Manner of Saluting and resaluting in words keep to the most usual Custom.

27. Tis ill manners to bid one more eminent than yourself be covered as well as not to do it to whom it's due Likewise he that makes too much haste to Put on his hat does not well, yet he ought to Put it on at the first, or at most the Second time of being asked; now what is herein Spoken, of Qualification in behavior in Saluting, ought also to be observed in taking of Place, and Sitting down for ceremonies without Bounds is troublesome.

28. If any one come to Speak to you while you are are Sitting Stand up though he be your Inferior, and when you Present Seats let it be to every one according to his Degree.

29. When you meet with one of Greater Quality than yourself, Stop, and retire especially if it be at a Door or any Straight place to give way for him to Pass.

30. In walking the highest Place in most Countries Seems to be on the right hand therefore Place yourself on the left of him whom you desire to Honor: but if three walk together the middest Place is the most Honorable the wall is usually given to the most worthy if two walk together.

31. If any one far Surpasses others, either in age, Estate, or Merit yet would give Place to a meaner than himself in his own lodging or elsewhere the one ought not to except it, So he on the other part should not use much earnestness nor offer it above once or twice.

32. To one that is your equal, or not much inferior you are to give the chief Place in your Lodging and he to who ‘is offered ought at the first to refuse it but at the Second to accept though not without acknowledging his own unworthiness.

33. They that are in Dignity or in office have in all places Precedency but whilst they are Young they ought to respect those that are their equals in Birth or other Qualities, though they have no Public charge.

34. It is good Manners to prefer them to whom we Speak before ourselves especially if they be above us with whom in no Sort we ought to begin.

35. Let your Discourse with Men of Business be Short and Comprehensive.

36. Artificers & Persons of low Degree ought not to use many ceremonies to Lords, or Others of high Degree but Respect and highly Honor them, and those of high Degree ought to treat them with affability & Courtesy, without Arrogance.

37. In speaking to men of Quality do not lean nor Look them full in the Face, nor approach too near them at lest Keep a full Pace from them.

38. In visiting the Sick, do not Presently play the Physician if you be not Knowing therein.

39. In writing or Speaking, give to every Person his due Title According to his Degree & the Custom of the Place.

40. Strive not with your Superiors in argument, but always Submit your Judgment to others with Modesty.

41. Undertake not to Teach your equal in the art himself Professes; it Savours of arrogance.

42. Let thy ceremonies in Courtesy be proper to the Dignity of his place with whom thou converses for it is absurd to act the same with a Clown and a Prince.

43. Do not express Joy before one sick or in pain for that contrary Passion will aggravate his Misery.

44. When a man does all he can though it Succeeds not well blame not him that did it.

45. Being to advise or reprehend any one, consider whether it ought to be in public or in Private; presently, or at Some other time in what terms to do it & in reproving Show no Sign of Cholar but do it with all Sweetness and Mildness.

46. Take all Admonitions thankfully in what Time or Place Soever given but afterwards not being culpable take a Time & Place convenient to let him him know it that gave them.

47. Mock not nor Jest at any thing of Importance break [n]o Jest that are Sharp Biting and if you Deliver any thing witty and Pleasant abstain from Laughing thereat yourself.

He forgot: "Do not mention Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior in front of others."
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11/19/2011 9:21:56 PM
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At 11/19/2011 9:15:06 PM, Wnope wrote:
He forgot: "Do not mention Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior.

Sho' 'nuff.
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11/19/2011 10:15:36 PM
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At 11/15/2011 10:26:46 PM, sadolite wrote:
George Washington's Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation

Just a bunch of blind demands with no justification provided. Why should anyone even care about these?
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11/19/2011 10:24:37 PM
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At 11/19/2011 10:15:36 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 11/15/2011 10:26:46 PM, sadolite wrote:
George Washington's Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation

Just a bunch of blind demands with no justification provided. Why should anyone even care about these?

If you can't figure it out, then I doubt anything I'm going to say is going to help you.
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11/19/2011 10:28:02 PM
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The art of being a gentleman has obviously been lost over time, and one of the downsides of our modern culture is a propensity towards vice.
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11/19/2011 10:39:17 PM
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At 11/19/2011 10:28:02 PM, Lasagna wrote:
The art of being a gentleman has obviously been lost over time, and one of the downsides of our modern culture is a propensity towards vice.

Vice is subjective.
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11/20/2011 2:02:51 AM
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At 11/19/2011 10:39:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 11/19/2011 10:28:02 PM, Lasagna wrote:
The art of being a gentleman has obviously been lost over time, and one of the downsides of our modern culture is a propensity towards vice.

Vice is subjective.

That perspective is symptomatic of a lack of accountability.
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11/20/2011 8:37:18 AM
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At 11/19/2011 8:44:59 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
At 11/19/2011 12:00:14 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/18/2011 10:31:39 AM, 000ike wrote:
Just because its from Washington doesn't actually mean this means anything. Its 51 assertions from 2 centuries ago.

Ya, history is quite useless. Especially the words of the most intelligent and brilliant men who ever lived.

Do you really believe that? Smarter than Darwin, Stephan Hawkings, Buddha, Jesus, Mohommed, Gerald Gardner?

Darwin, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed are all dead so according to a previous comment none of their knowledge or words are worth crap "Old and antiquated" Stephen Hawkins knowledge is very focused and limited to one subject. Gerald Gardner? Witchcraft?

I am going to think in terms as "this generation" being the smartest that ever lived for awhile. I will give this generations ideas the first benefit of the doubt on everything. Then after I see what policies and ideas this generation has put forward to improve things, I will do what everyone of this generation hates, examine the results. Good intentions don't pay bills.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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11/20/2011 10:07:44 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/19/2011 10:39:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 11/19/2011 10:28:02 PM, Lasagna wrote:
The art of being a gentleman has obviously been lost over time, and one of the downsides of our modern culture is a propensity towards vice.

Vice is subjective.

Only to the beasts, my friend.
Rob
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11/20/2011 7:16:37 PM
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Unfortunately slave master and GI George didn't practice a very lofty morality on his plantation or in his military career – ever heard or the Jumonville Glen affair?, that was a peacetime incident just prior to the outbreak of the French and Indian War in which then Lieutenant Colonel Washington massacred a contingent of French diplomatic agents on a peaceful mission; it actually helped ratchet up hostilities to the point of full-blown war, i.e. it helped trigger the French and Indian War and all the bloodshed that ensued. Racist Washington of course blamed the murder of prisoners on the savage Native Americans under his command, his ole "I can not tell a lie, I cut the tree" code of ethics was certainly not in effect by this point in his life. If you're interested in educating yourself about this incident, here's a link, http://www.jmu.edu... (Also, there were some atrocities authorized by Washington during the Revolutionary War, http://www.voltairenet.org...) But, of course, Washington, as a patriarchal and canonized figure of this country's "civil religion", has been quite thoroughly mythologized, and consequently his integrity is certainly overrated. Don't be fooled by his bourgeois rules of civility, he was no paragon of an enlightened morality.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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11/20/2011 8:21:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/20/2011 7:16:37 PM, charleslb wrote:
Unfortunately slave master and GI George didn't practice a very lofty morality on his plantation or in his military career – ever heard or the Jumonville Glen affair?, that was a peacetime incident just prior to the outbreak of the French and Indian War in which then Lieutenant Colonel Washington massacred a contingent of French diplomatic agents on a peaceful mission; it actually helped ratchet up hostilities to the point of full-blown war, i.e. it helped trigger the French and Indian War and all the bloodshed that ensued. Racist Washington of course blamed the murder of prisoners on the savage Native Americans under his command, his ole "I can not tell a lie, I cut the tree" code of ethics was certainly not in effect by this point in his life. If you're interested in educating yourself about this incident, here's a link, http://www.jmu.edu... (Also, there were some atrocities authorized by Washington during the Revolutionary War, http://www.voltairenet.org...) But, of course, Washington, as a patriarchal and canonized figure of this country's "civil religion", has been quite thoroughly mythologized, and consequently his integrity is certainly overrated. Don't be fooled by his bourgeois rules of civility, he was no paragon of an enlightened morality.

What does any of this have to do with discussions and proper etiquette during a discussion. What Washington did to create a free country, weather you approve of it or not is quite irrelevant. You couldn't measure up to George Washington's brilliance and intelligence on his worst day. What have you created, hatred for your countries heritage and founders. I know why children don't want to learn American history anymore, it's all been rewritten to make America and it's founders to be portrayed in a negative and evil light only causing every evil in this world.

I would hate America and it's founders too. And be ashamed to even live in this country if I was taught history the way you would teach it. As if the rest of the world were all just minding their own business and evil America came into being and screwed up the whole world. If it weren't for America coming into being the whole world would be like living in xanadu.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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11/20/2011 9:28:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/20/2011 8:21:17 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/20/2011 7:16:37 PM, charleslb wrote:
Unfortunately slave master and GI George didn't practice a very lofty morality on his plantation or in his military career – ever heard or the Jumonville Glen affair?, that was a peacetime incident just prior to the outbreak of the French and Indian War in which then Lieutenant Colonel Washington massacred a contingent of French diplomatic agents on a peaceful mission; it actually helped ratchet up hostilities to the point of full-blown war, i.e. it helped trigger the French and Indian War and all the bloodshed that ensued. Racist Washington of course blamed the murder of prisoners on the savage Native Americans under his command, his ole "I can not tell a lie, I cut the tree" code of ethics was certainly not in effect by this point in his life. If you're interested in educating yourself about this incident, here's a link, http://www.jmu.edu... (Also, there were some atrocities authorized by Washington during the Revolutionary War, http://www.voltairenet.org...) But, of course, Washington, as a patriarchal and canonized figure of this country's "civil religion", has been quite thoroughly mythologized, and consequently his integrity is certainly overrated. Don't be fooled by his bourgeois rules of civility, he was no paragon of an enlightened morality.

What does any of this have to do with discussions and proper etiquette during a discussion. What Washington did to create a free country, weather you approve of it or not is quite irrelevant. You couldn't measure up to George Washington's brilliance and intelligence on his worst day. What have you created, hatred for your countries heritage and founders. I know why children don't want to learn American history anymore, it's all been rewritten to make America and it's founders to be portrayed in a negative and evil light only causing every evil in this world.

I would hate America and it's founders too. And be ashamed to even live in this country if I was taught history the way you would teach it. As if the rest of the world were all just minding their own business and evil America came into being and screwed up the whole world. If it weren't for America coming into being the whole world would be like living in xanadu.

Sorry if I rudely rankled your nationalistic sensibilities. I didn't really know what your sensibilities were until I read this patriotically piqued reply. As for your America-is-my-divinity-and-I'll-tolerate-no-blaspheming-against-it response, laced with recriminatory ad hominems against moi, well, suffice it to say that America isn't a divinity for me and I hardly view criticizing it as such a vicious sin. Your opinion of me, and your attempt to use reductio ad absurdum to dispose of my critical perspective on American history so lacks sophistication that it doesn't even rate a retort. Again, ever so sorry to ruffle your flag-waver's feathers my friend.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.