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Creation of Life (God – Scientist)

dattaswami
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11/25/2011 8:55:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Message of Shri Datta Swami

When the energy, which is another form of matter, only does a special function, that special function or special mechanism or special technology is called as life. Thus, life is the special work of energy. The scientist is unable to make the energy to do this special work. The scientist is unable to know this special mechanism. Thus life is a special know-how or the knowledge of special technology. Since knowledge is power, the life can be called as special power.

Let me give you an example. A cook prepared a curry. With the same materials another cook prepared the same curry but with additional taste. This special taste is the life. The taste is not the extra material, which is hidden in the hand of second cook. The taste is only a special knowledge or talent of the second cook. The first cook is scientist and the second cook is God. God does not reveal this one special technology to human beings because the human being always wants to become God due to his inherent egoism and jealousy. Thus God saved the human being from its fall. One should constantly remember this point and constantly surrender to God.

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11/25/2011 9:19:56 PM
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Science is an art with its foundation in epistemology, the most humbling and useful philosophical study. Men will always be arrogant, and there will always be arrogant "men of science", but the good scientist is aware of his ignorance.

The possibility that human beings may one day create life, and indeed intelligent life seems both plausible and inevitable if we do not destroy ourselves first.
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11/26/2011 12:46:54 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/25/2011 8:55:12 PM, dattaswami wrote:
Message of Shri Datta Swami

When the energy, which is another form of matter, only does a special function, that special function or special mechanism or special technology is called as life. Thus, life is the special work of energy. The scientist is unable to make the energy to do this special work. The scientist is unable to know this special mechanism. Thus life is a special know-how or the knowledge of special technology. Since knowledge is power, the life can be called as special power.

Let me give you an example. A cook prepared a curry. With the same materials another cook prepared the same curry but with additional taste. This special taste is the life. The taste is not the extra material, which is hidden in the hand of second cook. The taste is only a special knowledge or talent of the second cook. The first cook is scientist and the second cook is God. God does not reveal this one special technology to human beings because the human being always wants to become God due to his inherent egoism and jealousy. Thus God saved the human being from its fall. One should constantly remember this point and constantly surrender to God.

We dont know what life is yet so its hard to say whether we'll master it. However, the fact that we've learned to control so much, but have not the technical skill to create even the simplest life is worthy of some guesswork as to why. One interesting way to explain it is that life is some sort of fundamental particle below our threshold to observe. Life, or consciousness, is small but nevertheless existent in matter. It is mastered in life and perfected in humans.

Our machines are getting smarter, and I don't know of anyone who has a reliable opinion on what exactly that will mean. I can see processors getting very small and powerful, robotics creating humanoid robots, and geneticists programming living code. But I don't see these fields achieving life in any of its qualities: intelligence and consciousness, self-replication, self-evolution, self-sustainment... computers appear to be interactive but that only holds in a simplistic perspective; the difference between a mouse trap and a cpu is just a matter of POV.
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11/26/2011 1:28:19 AM
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When we eat the food, it is oxidised by the oxygen received through the respiratory system. When the food is assimilated in the digestive system, it is oxidised by the Oxygen from the respiratory system, which is carried by the blood in dissolved state through Haemoglobin. The oxidation of food is exothermic reaction and liberates inert heat energy. This inert heat energy is converted into a special form of energy called awareness by the nervous system.

The electricity is produced by the generator and enters the tube light. The electrical energy is converted into light, which is another new form of energy. The heat energy produced by the interaction of digestive and respiratory system is called life energy (Pranamaya kosa).

Spirituality deals with creator who is beyond the creation. Veda says ‘Annat Purushah', which means that the Soul is produced from the food. It is conversion of matter into Soul, which is energy.

When Lord Siva created Veerabhadra from His hair all the anger of Lord Siva entered Veerabhadra. Characteristics are transferred and the same Soul in duplication as we can understand the cell division has entered Lord Veerabhadra. Devotees worship Lord Veerabhadra as the exact incarnation of Lord Siva.

For Ex: In the ordinary cloning an offspring is produced. But in the divine cloning of Lord Siva the offspring produced was not a child, but a gigantic personality. If you compare the ordinary cloning with the divine cloning the process of cloning is common which is Prakruti. But the offspring is a child in the ordinary cloning where as a gigantic personality in the divine cloning.

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11/26/2011 12:54:31 PM
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A serious young man found the conflicts of mid 20th Century America confusing. He went to many people seeking a way of resolving within himself the discords that troubled him, but he remained troubled.

One night in a coffee house, a self-ordained Zen Master said to him, "go to the dilapidated mansion you will find at this address which I have written down for you. Do not speak to those who live there; you must remain silent until the moon rises tomorrow night. Go to the large room on the right of the main hallway, sit in the lotus position on top of the rubble in the northeast corner, face the corner, and meditate."

He did just as the Zen Master instructed. His meditation was frequently interrupted by worries. He worried whether or not the rest of the plumbing fixtures would fall from the second floor bathroom to join the pipes and other trash he was sitting on. He worried how would he know when the moon rose on the next night. He worried about what the people who walked through the room said about him.

His worrying and meditation were disturbed when, as if in a test of his faith, ordure fell from the second floor onto him. At that time two people walked into the room. The first asked the second who the man was sitting there was. The second replied "Some say he is a holy man. Others say he is a sh!thead."

Hearing this, the man was enlightened.
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11/27/2011 4:36:39 AM
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At 11/25/2011 9:19:56 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Science is an art with its foundation in epistemology, the most humbling and useful philosophical study. Men will always be arrogant, and there will always be arrogant "men of science", but the good scientist is aware of his ignorance.

Science & Spirituality ...

Science is logical analysis of items existing in creation based on one authority i.e., perception (Pratyaksha Pramanam). Even in ancient logic, authorities (Pramanas) are based on perception only. You see fire giving smoke. This is deduction or perception. When you see smoke coming from a distance & do not see fire, you say that fire exists there & this is inference (Anumana Pramanam). But this induction is based on previous deduction only. Somebody says to you that fire gives smoke. If that person is your dearest, you believe it & infer fire from smoke. This is authority of word ‘Shabdha Pramanam'.

Though you have not seen fire, your dearest person has seen smoke coming from fire. Like this all authorities are based on perception only. I do not find any scripture of any Religion, which contradicts the experience of perception. There are 4 ways of authority. 1) Sruthi, original scripture. 2) Smrithi, commentaries of Scholars on original scripture. 3) Yukthi, logical analysis based on deduction, induction etc., 4) Anubhava, experience based on perception of items in this world, which may be direct or indirect. Out of these 4, fourth way is most powerful. If anything contradicts fourth way, that is not valid or it may be a misinterpretation based on misunderstanding of Sruthi or Smrithi or Yukthi. So Science & Philosophy are not separate. Very frame of spiritual knowledge is Science only. So Science is basic foundation & underlying structure of Scriptures.

A true Scientist should always stand on perception & should not deny experience derived by perception. If he denies, he is not a scientist. Top most scientists were philosophers & spiritual people only. Those scientists travelled along river of Science & reached its end, which is ocean of spiritual knowledge called as philosophy. Philosophy exists in all branches of Science.Every branch of Science gives Ph.D as final degree. Ph.D is Doctor in Philosophy & is essence of knowledge of every branch.

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11/27/2011 12:45:49 PM
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A scientist is not necessarily a naive realist.

However, the point of science is to establish a degree of certainty. A good scientist is already fully aware that things are not as they seem. There is still so much to discover!

While there is much to be learned from religious texts, it would be foolish to take them as being anything other than what has been written down by men. At best by people who were explaining the world as they saw it in those times, and at worst by magicians who had something to gain.

Yes, a good scientist knows there is only so much you can do with science, but a good scientist also knows that science is an art based on epistemology, or what is possible to know. Many who go into the philosophical and spiritual path forget this, and start putting faith into the constructions of their mind as if they are things that they know. Truly they do not know. Philosophy without science is worthless. Spirituality without science will not help you. In order to get to the root of things, you need to have a scientific mind above all else. Ignorance will not lead you to truth nor happiness. The greatest wisdom is an understanding of what you don't and can't know. The greatest philosophy is one that humbly accepts this, and works with this knowledge.
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11/27/2011 12:49:07 PM
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Ugh, this thread is mental masturbation...
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11/27/2011 12:50:51 PM
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The Hindu tradition is correct though when it comes to finding God. There is a mountain, and there are many different faces of this mountain that you can climb to get to the top. Some paths are more treacherous than others, some are easier than others. Even climbing up the same face, no one takes the same path, and some even change faces. In the end, most people do not make it to the top. You have to truly want to make it to get there.
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11/30/2011 11:28:32 AM
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At 11/27/2011 12:50:51 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
The Hindu tradition is correct though when it comes to finding God. There is a mountain, and there are many different faces of this mountain that you can climb to get to the top. Some paths are more treacherous than others, some are easier than others....

Reply: The path of Top Most Devotees

The top most devotees who also turned out top most jnanis by achieving the top most laurels by pleasing the Lord are ....

Hanuman, a topmost devotee identified Lord Rama and served Him and always said ‘I am servant to Lord Rama'. He even performed many miracles also and still he has given credit of them to Rama only (Dasoham kosalendrasya...). For such worship, Lord has given future creator post to Hanuman.

St. Peter, St. John, St. Luke... identified Lord Jesus by His divine knowledge and participated in the propagation of divine knowledge.

Gopikas identified and worshiped Lord Krishna, the then human incarnation only and got the highest fruit of top most Goloka. Swami Vivekananda participated in the mission of propagation of divine knowledge on the order of the then human incarnation Rama Krishna Paramahamsa.

Likewise the disciples of Adi Sankara worshipped Him as lord and latter on participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. Meerabai also propagated Krishna Bhakti by composing hymns and propagated them.

In all these the disciples identified the Lord in the human form during their time and participated in His mission as servants. So, first one should identify the Satguru and then learn divine knowledge from Him. These disciples worshipped their Satguru. At His order, they participated in the propagation of divine knowledge as Service to Lord. Service only proves our real devotion, which consists of Karma phala tyaga (sacrifice of money) & karma sanyasa (physically participating in His mission).

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12/6/2011 1:00:11 AM
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mass is nothing but condensed energy as per science.

surya

At 12/6/2011 12:42:43 AM, DaveElectric wrote:
Energy is not form of matter. It is a mathematical abstraction created to explain the functioning of physical laws.
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12/8/2011 5:41:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/25/2011 9:19:56 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Science is an art with its foundation in epistemology, the most humbling and useful philosophical study. Men will always be arrogant, and there will always be arrogant "men of science", but the good scientist is aware of his ignorance.

The possibility that human beings may one day create life, and indeed intelligent life seems both plausible and inevitable if we do not destroy ourselves first.

Very well said. No argument here.
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12/11/2011 8:32:51 AM
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Human life is already existing even though Scientist does not know that technology. So, a scientist can never create life. The only possibility is to understand the technology. This will also not happen as it is against the wish of God.

All the discoveries of science are only due to the grace of God. Computer technology is the gift from God to humanity.

A discovery is always experienced as an accidental incident like a flash. It is not the result of the continuous hard work. During the hard work, a flash strikes the brain of the scientist. The scientist gets disgusted during his hard work and suddenly a flash in the brain results in a new discovery.

If the discovery were the fruit of hard work, it would come naturally at the end of the hard work without any flash. Such a flash is due to the grace of the Lord. Almost all top scientists agree to this truth. Only a few egoistic scientists do not agree to this.

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At 12/8/2011 5:41:18 PM, prephysics wrote:
The possibility that human beings may one day create life, and indeed intelligent life seems both plausible and inevitable if we do not destroy ourselves first.
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12/12/2011 11:07:22 PM
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Energy is the very thing that chaos theory makes an attempt to mathmaticise. The Hindu idea of karma is an early example of this understanding. Unfortunately, superstition gets in the way of proper understanding. Faulty interpretations lead to ways of thinking that are counterproductive to enlightenment. Faulty interpretation is inevitable for humans. Ego will oftentimes cause people to lie to themselves about the nature of actuality.
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12/13/2011 7:38:36 AM
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Pure Awareness (Soul) requires existence of 2 items. One is inert energy that is obtained from digestion of food (Annat Purashah- Veda). Second is nervous system, which alone can convert this inert energy into awareness on functioning. So, awareness is dependent on these two items but God is independent & does not depend on any other item.

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