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Are Concepts Transcendant?

SuburbiaSurvivor
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1/13/2012 12:14:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Can concepts exist without a mind to perceive them?

Your thoughts, por favor.
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1/13/2012 1:07:13 PM
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Before we can form concepts there needs to be definitions. If there are no minds to do that the question of whether square circles can exist absent minds is meaningless.
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1/13/2012 1:18:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Concepts are neural patterns in the brain. Patterns are just information. Information can be stored in many different types of media. So yes, concepts can exist independent of brains.
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1/13/2012 3:37:12 PM
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I think so. Mathematics is a concept that exists whether or not there are minds to perceive them. If all lie ended one plus one would still equal two.
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1/13/2012 4:01:48 PM
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At 1/13/2012 3:37:12 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
I think so. Mathematics is a concept that exists whether or not there are minds to perceive them. If all *lie ended one plus one would still equal two.

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1/13/2012 6:30:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Concepts only exist on the virtual level. They are parameters that require interpretation.

Concepts are not objectively real, they can not exist without a subjective vantage point.

Mathematics itself is a grid, a concept, and no, it isn't real. It aligns pretty close to the way things are, but nowhere in nature are you going to find any two ones that are identical.

One, none, and infinity can be the same thing.
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SuburbiaSurvivor
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1/13/2012 7:22:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This is something I've just started thinking about. But let's look at it this way: What if concepts are metaphysical? For example, assuming a concept does not exist until there is a mind to perceive it, then how could a concept come into existence at all? Are ideas things we create, or things we discover?

I'm not really trying to debate this, or prove concepts are or aren't. I haven't studied much philosophy. I'm interested in people's thoughts, though. Both for and against.
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1/13/2012 8:07:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/13/2012 12:14:38 PM, SuburbiaSurvivor wrote:
Can concepts exist without a mind to perceive them?


No.
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1/15/2012 1:33:16 AM
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Nothing can exist without a mind to perceive it in any way that "exist" can be understood by a perceiving mind.
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