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Animals Superior To Humans In Some Ways

GeoLaureate8
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4/25/2012 1:08:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Animals do not possess reason. However, they think logically and have memories. They do not appear to conceive of their future and certainly do not engage in psychic repression, which means that they do not possess an "unconscious" as we would understand it.

Animals are not rational because they do not need to be. Their consciousness is guided directly and intimately by Nature's profound intelligence, which men of religion and science seem incapable of comprehending. In other words, they are guided directly by spirit.

Animals do not question whether their lives have meaning and they possess no conception of mortality; they do not live in fear of death. Their lives have meaning without the need of anxiety or morbid thoughts to bring that sense of meaning about."

-- Michael Tsarion
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4/25/2012 12:18:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:08:57 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Animals do not possess reason. However, they think logically and have memories. They do not appear to conceive of their future and certainly do not engage in psychic repression, which means that they do not possess an "unconscious" as we would understand it.

Animals are not rational because they do not need to be. Their consciousness is guided directly and intimately by Nature's profound intelligence, which men of religion and science seem incapable of comprehending. In other words, they are guided directly by spirit.

Animals do not question whether their lives have meaning and they possess no conception of mortality; they do not live in fear of death. Their lives have meaning without the need of anxiety or morbid thoughts to bring that sense of meaning about."

-- Michael Tsarion

he's not joking! we're such a small community.
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4/25/2012 1:00:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
well that depends on your definition of "animal" because as far as many people are concerned we are in fact animals and i wouldn't be surprised if other great apes have many of the thoughts we have.
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GeoLaureate8
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4/25/2012 1:08:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:00:56 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
well that depends on your definition of "animal" because as far as many people are concerned we are in fact animals and i wouldn't be surprised if other great apes have many of the thoughts we have.

The term "animal" generally denotes any non-human creature. That is what is being discussed here.
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4/25/2012 1:13:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:08:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/25/2012 1:00:56 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
well that depends on your definition of "animal" because as far as many people are concerned we are in fact animals and i wouldn't be surprised if other great apes have many of the thoughts we have.

The term "animal" generally denotes any non-human creature. That is what is being discussed here.

I thought an animal was a living organism that fed off of organic material Versus plants who feed off of sun and c02.
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4/25/2012 1:25:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Here's something to think about:

If a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket, most people get nervous, upset, or frustrated. It will stress them out.

If a bike cop pulls over a rabbit walking down the sidewalk and hands him a ticket, the rabbit will not give a care and hop away completely unphased by the incident. He can't be broken down emotionally.
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4/25/2012 1:41:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:25:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's something to think about:

If a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket, most people get nervous, upset, or frustrated. It will stress them out.

If a bike cop pulls over a rabbit walking down the sidewalk and hands him a ticket, the rabbit will not give a care and hop away completely unphased by the incident. He can't be broken down emotionally.

Cops never stress me out, and it always pisses them off.
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
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The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
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4/25/2012 1:43:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:25:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's something to think about:

If a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket, most people get nervous, upset, or frustrated. It will stress them out.

If a bike cop pulls over a rabbit walking down the sidewalk and hands him a ticket, the rabbit will not give a care and hop away completely unphased by the incident. He can't be broken down emotionally.

Yes, and this is why humanity is better. We have emotions: the ability to understand and comprehend what is going on. Slowly warm up water while a frog is sitting in it, and it will not notice itself being burnt alive.
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4/25/2012 2:39:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:43:57 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:

Yes, and this is why humanity is better. We have emotions: the ability to understand and comprehend what is going on. Slowly warm up water while a frog is sitting in it, and it will not notice itself being burnt alive.

Animals don't have fear of the future. But they do have fear if there is immediate danger to their survival. They live in the moment and I think this allows them to live in peace more so than humans. While humans are always worrying about the past, stressing about the future when there is no immediate danger to their survival, animals are calm and at peace.

Humans always manage to think negative thoughts and allow negativity to be a large part of their life whereas animals don't get consumed by negativity.
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4/25/2012 3:27:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:25:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's something to think about:

If a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket, most people get nervous, upset, or frustrated. It will stress them out.

If a bike cop pulls over a rabbit walking down the sidewalk and hands him a ticket, the rabbit will not give a care and hop away completely unphased by the incident. He can't be broken down emotionally.

If a hawk (or whatever eats rabbits) approached a rabbit I'm sure he would be phased.
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4/25/2012 3:29:26 PM
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At 4/25/2012 1:43:57 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Slowly warm up water while a frog is sitting in it, and it will not notice itself being burnt alive.

But this analogy has also been used to describe people, and to explain why people donate more to certain causes when things are more immediate, recent, and present in the news. We're not that different from frogs.
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4/25/2012 3:43:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:43:57 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 4/25/2012 1:25:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's something to think about:

If a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket, most people get nervous, upset, or frustrated. It will stress them out.

If a bike cop pulls over a rabbit walking down the sidewalk and hands him a ticket, the rabbit will not give a care and hop away completely unphased by the incident. He can't be broken down emotionally.

Yes, and this is why humanity is better. We have emotions: the ability to understand and comprehend what is going on. Slowly warm up water while a frog is sitting in it, and it will not notice itself being burnt alive.

Slowly introduce nicotine into the lungs while a human is smoking cigarettes, and it will not notice itself being eaten away by lung cancer.
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4/26/2012 6:35:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:25:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's something to think about:

If a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket, most people get nervous, upset, or frustrated. It will stress them out.

If a bike cop pulls over a rabbit walking down the sidewalk and hands him a ticket, the rabbit will not give a care and hop away completely unfazed by the incident. He can't be broken down emotionally.

I think this is mostly due to the fact that we are smarter than any other animal except maybe the dolphin's (If they had thumbs we would be in trouble) I think that are closest primate relatives could have similar tendencies to us if you put up like a chimp urban simulation of sorts they would get bummed about a ticket if he has to give up his currency.
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GeoLaureate8
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4/26/2012 12:28:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 6:35:36 AM, Nosaj5q

I think this is mostly due to the fact that we are smarter than any other animal except maybe the dolphin's (If they had thumbs we would be in trouble) I think that are closest primate relatives could have similar tendencies to us if you put up like a chimp urban simulation of sorts they would get bummed about a ticket if he has to give up his currency.

We respond like panzies therefore we are more intelligent? Wat?
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4/26/2012 12:31:06 PM
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At 4/25/2012 1:08:57 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Animals are not rational because they do not need to be. Their consciousness is guided directly and intimately by Nature's profound intelligence, which men of religion and science seem incapable of comprehending. In other words, they are guided directly by spirit.

What is nature and how does it possess intelligence? What is 'spirit'?
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4/26/2012 12:32:19 PM
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At 4/26/2012 6:35:36 AM, Nosaj5q wrote:
At 4/25/2012 1:25:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's something to think about:

If a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket, most people get nervous, upset, or frustrated. It will stress them out.

If a bike cop pulls over a rabbit walking down the sidewalk and hands him a ticket, the rabbit will not give a care and hop away completely unfazed by the incident. He can't be broken down emotionally.

I think this is mostly due to the fact that we are smarter than any other animal except maybe the dolphin's (If they had thumbs we would be in trouble) I think that are closest primate relatives could have similar tendencies to us if you put up like a chimp urban simulation of sorts they would get bummed about a ticket if he has to give up his currency.

Increased intelligence in humans allows the equal possibility of being more stupid or more smart than animals.
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
- - - Watts
The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
- - - Watts
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4/26/2012 12:34:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:25:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's something to think about:

If a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket, most people get nervous, upset, or frustrated. It will stress them out.

If a bike cop pulls over a rabbit walking down the sidewalk and hands him a ticket, the rabbit will not give a care and hop away completely unphased by the incident. He can't be broken down emotionally.

this is our conditioning though. it's like the pavlov experiments. if a rabbit was struck with electricity every time it saw a cop on a bike, it would become conditioned to get stressed out upon seeing it.
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4/26/2012 12:40:02 PM
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At 4/25/2012 1:08:57 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Animals do not possess reason. However, they think logically and have memories. They do not appear to conceive of their future and certainly do not engage in psychic repression, which means that they do not possess an "unconscious" as we would understand it.

Animals are not rational because they do not need to be. Their consciousness is guided directly and intimately by Nature's profound intelligence, which men of religion and science seem incapable of comprehending. In other words, they are guided directly by spirit.

Animals do not question whether their lives have meaning and they possess no conception of mortality; they do not live in fear of death. Their lives have meaning without the need of anxiety or morbid thoughts to bring that sense of meaning about."

-- Michael Tsarion

I completely disagree with this. I believe that many animals conceive of their future, some definitely experience psychic repression, and I don't see how they couldn't possess an unconscious if they dream or experience embarrassment.
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4/26/2012 12:40:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 1:25:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's something to think about:

If a cop pulls you over and gives you a ticket, most people get nervous, upset, or frustrated. It will stress them out.

If a bike cop pulls over a rabbit walking down the sidewalk and hands him a ticket, the rabbit will not give a care and hop away completely unphased by the incident. He can't be broken down emotionally.

If I bike approaches a rabbit with anyone on it, the sheer difference in size would be daunting to the rabbit, he'd be scared shiitless, and he'd dart off at speeds that might be a challenge for the bike to keep up with.
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4/26/2012 12:43:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/25/2012 2:39:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/25/2012 1:43:57 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:

Yes, and this is why humanity is better. We have emotions: the ability to understand and comprehend what is going on. Slowly warm up water while a frog is sitting in it, and it will not notice itself being burnt alive.

Animals don't have fear of the future. But they do have fear if there is immediate danger to their survival. They live in the moment and I think this allows them to live in peace more so than humans. While humans are always worrying about the past, stressing about the future when there is no immediate danger to their survival, animals are calm and at peace.

Humans always manage to think negative thoughts and allow negativity to be a large part of their life whereas animals don't get consumed by negativity.

How do you explain animals that store food for later use?

Particularly -- animals that will store food with preference.

Say, a red fox, Vulpes vulpes. Generally speaking, if he comes across grubs or berries or whatever, then he'd just eat that shiit. If he killed a mouse, or even a rabbit, he would likely eat that at the time, as well.

However, if he kills a chicken, unless he's starving, he will likely go find somewhere discrete and bury it.

Curious, that, if he has no interest in the future whatsoever.