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dattaswami
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6/15/2012 10:09:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
O Learned and Devoted Servants of God,

In ancient times, the total education was concentrated on the establishment of the existence of God, heaven and hell. If justice is followed, God rewards you with heaven and if injustice is done, God punishes you in the hell. If you say that God exists, people may not believe and may commit sins by which the balance of the society gets disturbed. The existence of God is to be proved through very deep logical analysis and discussions. All the seminars and conferences in ancient India ran on single subject, which is about the existence and nature of God. Today, people think that the ancient scholars in India wasted lot of time on this useless subject. Today, scholars spend lot of time on seminars and debates dealing with developments of new materials, machines and applications of energy. In fact, the ancient scholars were highly wise and the modern scholars are highly foolish.

The results of the present research in Science are leading to the improvement of several amenities of the humanity. But, these amenities are now realized to be the ways of destruction of the environment leading to global calamity in a very short period of time. Our ancient scholars did not encourage such research in science since the advanced knowledge of energy and materials will lead to the destruction of humanity. Moreover, they concentrated on the logical understanding of the existence of God so that the resulting balanced society without corruption and chaos will give immense happiness to the life of the humanity. We now realize that the ancient materials and technologies were far better for health and environmental balance of the world. Added to this happiness, a strong fear for God and hell were well established in the mind of every human being through long period of spiritual education.

Little knowledge of materials and technologies was sufficient for the happiness of humanity and to maintain the ecological balance. This aspect is at the external physical level. Regarding the internal intellectual level, intensified realization resulted in every human being regarding the existence of God. After a long period of learning, the human being came out of the ancient university with thorough realization of the existence of God, hell and heaven so that in the practical life, the human being perfectly followed the justice rejecting the injustice at any cost. People did not know even the word ‘corruption' because everybody was afraid of God and hell. Today, after a long period of learning, the person coming out of the modern university is not at all in touch with the subject of God. Moreover, the person is well versed in the technologies of energy and materials and is dedicating the total life for increasing amenities, which ultimately lead to environmental pollution and global destruction.

The present human being is well versed in the concepts of profit and loss and is a master of business administration. Everybody wants to improve the personal amenities even through corruption. Corruption has become a spontaneous global phenomenon. Metals undergo corrosion and the human beings undergo the process of corruption. The government has become corrupt. The government officials are corrupt. Even the judiciary system has become corrupt. In such atmosphere of powerful corruption and corrupt human beings, can you expect a system like lokpal to work perfectly to control the corruption? When all the human beings are corrupt, the members of the lokpal also become corrupt. You cannot bring the angels from heaven to appoint them as members of lokpal. After sometime, you will have to bring another control in the system to control the lokpals! There will be no end to this and the desired aim can never be fulfilled.
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6/15/2012 10:22:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 10:09:42 PM, dattaswami wrote:
O Learned and Devoted Servants of God,

In ancient times, the total education was concentrated on the establishment of the existence of God, heaven and hell. If justice is followed, God rewards you with heaven and if injustice is done, God punishes you in the hell. If you say that God exists, people may not believe and may commit sins by which the balance of the society gets disturbed. The existence of God is to be proved through very deep logical analysis and discussions. All the seminars and conferences in ancient India ran on single subject, which is about the existence and nature of God. Today, people think that the ancient scholars in India wasted lot of time on this useless subject. Today, scholars spend lot of time on seminars and debates dealing with developments of new materials, machines and applications of energy. In fact, the ancient scholars were highly wise and the modern scholars are highly foolish.

The results of the present research in Science are leading to the improvement of several amenities of the humanity. But, these amenities are now realized to be the ways of destruction of the environment leading to global calamity in a very short period of time. Our ancient scholars did not encourage such research in science since the advanced knowledge of energy and materials will lead to the destruction of humanity. Moreover, they concentrated on the logical understanding of the existence of God so that the resulting balanced society without corruption and chaos will give immense happiness to the life of the humanity. We now realize that the ancient materials and technologies were far better for health and environmental balance of the world. Added to this happiness, a strong fear for God and hell were well established in the mind of every human being through long period of spiritual education.

Little knowledge of materials and technologies was sufficient for the happiness of humanity and to maintain the ecological balance. This aspect is at the external physical level. Regarding the internal intellectual level, intensified realization resulted in every human being regarding the existence of God. After a long period of learning, the human being came out of the ancient university with thorough realization of the existence of God, hell and heaven so that in the practical life, the human being perfectly followed the justice rejecting the injustice at any cost. People did not know even the word ‘corruption' because everybody was afraid of God and hell. Today, after a long period of learning, the person coming out of the modern university is not at all in touch with the subject of God. Moreover, the person is well versed in the technologies of energy and materials and is dedicating the total life for increasing amenities, which ultimately lead to environmental pollution and global destruction.

The present human being is well versed in the concepts of profit and loss and is a master of business administration. Everybody wants to improve the personal amenities even through corruption. Corruption has become a spontaneous global phenomenon. Metals undergo corrosion and the human beings undergo the process of corruption. The government has become corrupt. The government officials are corrupt. Even the judiciary system has become corrupt. In such atmosphere of powerful corruption and corrupt human beings, can you expect a system like lokpal to work perfectly to control the corruption? When all the human beings are corrupt, the members of the lokpal also become corrupt. You cannot bring the angels from heaven to appoint them as members of lokpal. After sometime, you will have to bring another control in the system to control the lokpals! There will be no end to this and the desired aim can never be fulfilled.

The Fool: God explanation=Ignorance
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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6/16/2012 1:03:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
So summary: We need to learn a lot more about God, because a lack in the same is resulting in falling human values, which causes the failure of political systems, which would make Lokpal reforms invalid.

The reasoning is fundamentally flawed because a person doesn't need to believe in God to be a morally competent human being. In fact, the whole problem arises when one tries to base the morality on the texts that they think are from God. And since there are SO SO many different translations, different interpretations, the trial is futile.

And Lokpal would work because it CLAIMS to be against corruption, people feel they are close to the bill. It's a people's bill in essence. Any mismanagement or corruption in the same would be thrown into limelight by the government, since it really reeeeally does not want to pass it. There are concerned people in the world. We just need a conductive environment, and it HAS to start from somewhere.

Plus not really affecting the subject, but since you claimed it, I'll say : Learning more about science is not mutually disjoint from learning about God. In fact, the Noetic science is a field that tries to submerge both the fields. It's actually really interesting.
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6/16/2012 8:14:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
When all the human beings are corrupt, the members of the lokpal also become corrupt.

You cannot bring the angels from heaven to appoint them as members of lokpal.

After sometime, you will have to bring another control in the system to control the lokpals!

There will be no end to this and the desired aim can never be fulfilled.

At 6/16/2012 1:03:14 AM, Aayu wrote:
So summary: We need to learn a lot more about God, because a lack in the same is resulting in falling human values, which causes the failure of political systems, which would make Lokpal reforms invalid.

And Lokpal would work because it CLAIMS to be against corruption, people feel they are close to the bill. It's a people's bill in essence. Any mismanagement or corruption in the same would be thrown into limelight by the government, since it really reeeeally does not want to pass it. There are concerned people in the world. We just need a conductive environment, and it HAS to start from somewhere.
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6/16/2012 1:08:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
May I suggest that you've just stated this argument supposing God is a magic bandaid cureall?
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

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6/17/2012 9:18:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/16/2012 8:14:19 AM, dattaswami wrote:
When all the human beings are corrupt, the members of the lokpal also become corrupt.

You cannot bring the angels from heaven to appoint them as members of lokpal.

After sometime, you will have to bring another control in the system to control the lokpals!

There will be no end to this and the desired aim can never be fulfilled.



Do you believe EVERY human being living in India is corrupt? (Considering you're discussing lokpal, which is an Indian concept?)
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6/18/2012 11:31:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The devotee will not be corrupt – by knowing God's nature.
God will give you whatever is necessary – at the appropriate time.
You are His devotee, why to worry? – no need of corruption.

Even if you accumulate wealth, – it may harm your family.
Your child may be spoiled due to wealth, – then wealth is harmful.
Yes, the wealth is terrible poison, – if it is earned by corruption.
God may bless your child directly – to earn infinite wealth here,
If He is pleased with your selfless service, - which is better?

If somebody beats you, – keep silent and do not even curse him.
You might have beaten him – in the previous birth and now
It is compensated with interest, – the case is now closed forever.
In this case you cannot expect God – to punish him at anytime.
Your long observation about him – will discourage you thoroughly.

However, if he has beaten you – without this back ground,
God will certainly punish him, – you will beat him with interest.
But the time gap is uncertain, – may be now or may be next birth.

The reason is that God punishes anybody – only for transformation.
God might have punished him already – in some other angle,
Which is unknown to you and God is – waiting for the change in him.
If change is not observed – God will use the pending punishments.

Punishment due to you is somewhere – in the list of his cycle.
You are eager to punish him – just to pacify your revenge.
Your aim of punishment differs – from the aim of punishment by God.

If you realize the administration of God – or the cycle of deeds here,
You are not anxious to punish him, - law and order in God's hands only.
Now the criminal nature is put off, – society becomes peaceful.

The knowledge of God avoids – crime and corruption in devotee.
If individuals are transformed – the society is perfectly peaceful.
You cannot control crime and corruption – by employing controllers.
Controllers become criminal and corrupt, – no end to your effort.

Ancient kings supported – the propagation of spiritual knowledge.
It could control the sin, – crime and corruption are the two halves of
The sin, you are spending ten times – on employing controllers, but
There is no trace of control, - spend a small part of it on scholars
To propagate spiritual knowledge, – the sin is controlled fully.

At 6/16/2012 1:03:14 AM, Aayu wrote:
The reasoning is fundamentally flawed