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The_Fool_on_the_hill
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7/22/2012 6:31:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Welcome since it was not and evil destiny that sent you forth to travel this road but right and Justice, There is need for you to learn all things—both the unshaken heart of well-rounded Truth and the opinions of mortals, in which there is not true reliance.
But nevertheless you will learn these too—that all things that appear must genuinely be , being is always, indeed, all things. Bring my story safely when you have heard it—the only way of inquiry there are to think: the, one, that is, and that it is not possible for it not to be, for this is the path of persuasion which attends upon Truth.

The other, that is not, and that it is necessary for it not to be, this I point out to you, to be the path of the completely un-learnable, for neither may you know that which is not, for it is not to be accomplished, nor may you ever declare it.
This is also the same for thinking and of being. So gaze upon things which although appear absent are securely Present in thought. That which is there is to be spoken and thought of MUST BE. For it is possible to be, but not possible for nothing to be.

You could not even cut off what is clinging to what is, its connected yet scattered everywhere in any way throughout the universe. For what is not does not exist." Parmenides of Elea 480 BC
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
The_Fool_on_the_hill
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7/22/2012 6:43:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/22/2012 6:40:24 PM, FREEDO wrote:
"Is 'is' is?"
~ Bill Clinton

The Fool: Is
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
mark.marrocco
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7/22/2012 7:07:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"'Is,' 'is.' 'is'— the idiocy of the word haunts me. If it were abolished, human thought might begin to make sense. I don't know what anything 'is'; I only know how it seems to me at this moment." -Robert Anton Wilson

I think that "is" what the Fool was getting at.

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"Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence."
The_Fool_on_the_hill
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7/22/2012 7:41:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/22/2012 6:40:24 PM, FREEDO wrote:
"Is 'is' is?"
~ Bill Clinton

The Fool: he is just joking around.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
GeoLaureate8
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7/23/2012 10:31:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know, we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
The_Fool_on_the_hill
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7/24/2012 4:01:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/23/2012 10:31:06 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns;
that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know, we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld

The Fool: this line is irrational. There are known unknowns; you mean to say there are thing which happen for we don;t yet have and explanation for yet.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
tBoonePickens
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7/24/2012 4:34:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 4:01:45 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 10:31:06 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns;
that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know, we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld

The Fool: this line is irrational. There are known unknowns; you mean to say there are thing which happen for we don;t yet have and explanation for yet.
Agreed. Rummy used "poetic licence" there!
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
The_Fool_on_the_hill
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7/24/2012 4:43:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 4:01:45 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 10:31:06 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns;
that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know, we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld


The Fool: this line is irrational. There are known unknowns; you mean to say there are thing which happen for we don;t yet have and explanation for yet.

yes but there its irrational. the other one isn;t
This is irrational too:

unknown unknowns
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
tBoonePickens
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7/24/2012 4:54:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 4:43:29 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
yes but there its irrational. the other one isn;t
Of course, that's why I said he used poetic licence! If it were rational, he wouldn't need to use poetic licence!

This is irrational too:

unknown unknowns
Anyways this is all semantics.
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
The_Fool_on_the_hill
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7/24/2012 5:47:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 4:54:15 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/24/2012 4:43:29 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
yes but there its irrational. the other one isn;t
Of course, that's why I said he used poetic licence! If it were rational, he wouldn't need to use poetic licence!

This is irrational too:

unknown unknowns
Anyways this is all semantics.

In order to have language. We must have an operating system which can grasp it. And once a lanauge has been grasps you could now recogning part of the A priori operating system. aka Pure reason. Logical/math. Unknown= non-existing known.= 0*1k = 0 Let K represent known. Saying its all sematics is IRRATIONAL> that is why you are having problems. Grasping certain concepts.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/24/2012 5:51:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 5:47:41 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/24/2012 4:54:15 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 7/24/2012 4:43:29 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
yes but there its irrational. the other one isn;t
Of course, that's why I said he used poetic licence! If it were rational, he wouldn't need to use poetic licence!

This is irrational too:

unknown unknowns
Anyways this is all semantics.

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In order to have language. We must have an operating system which can grasp it. And once a lanuage has been grasped you could now recogniz the part of the A priori operating system. aka Pure Reason. Logical/math/geometrical structure. Unknown= non-existing known.= 0*1k = 0 Let K represent known. Saying its all sematics is IRRATIONAL> that is why you are having problems, grasping certain concepts. Slow but steady wins the race. eh!
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
BennyW
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7/24/2012 7:30:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/22/2012 6:40:24 PM, FREEDO wrote:
"Is 'is' is?"
~ Bill Clinton

Darn I was going to quote slick Willie.
You didn't build that-Obama
It's pretty lazy to quote things you disagree with, call it stupid and move on, rather than arguing with the person. -000ike