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What Limits Liberty?

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11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM
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I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty
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11/23/2012 3:08:45 PM
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wut
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11/23/2012 3:10:10 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:08:45 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
wut

What are you confused about??? LOL
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11/23/2012 3:10:35 PM
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11/23/2012 3:10:36 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:10:10 PM, Yarely wrote:
At 11/23/2012 3:08:45 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
wut

What are you confused about??? LOL

The question itself.
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11/23/2012 3:12:22 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:10:36 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 11/23/2012 3:10:10 PM, Yarely wrote:
At 11/23/2012 3:08:45 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
wut

What are you confused about??? LOL

The question itself.

What I mean is, what do you think are the most important factors that limit people's basic freedoms. An exp. would be government etc. Is that still confusing?
"Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals""
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11/23/2012 3:13:24 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM, Yarely wrote:
I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty:

Anything beyond the scope and boundaries of societal law is outside the limits of liberty. And sometimes the laws themselves are outside the scope of liberty.

"Liberty" is an extremely subjective concept. Does one have the liberty and freedom to indiscriminately kill, or does one have freedom and liberty by preventing such things? It's all perspective.
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11/23/2012 3:21:10 PM
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Would any of you say inequality limits freedom?
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11/23/2012 3:21:54 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM, Yarely wrote:
I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty

Harm to others.
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11/23/2012 3:30:08 PM
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Liberty is a very subjective word.
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11/23/2012 3:53:31 PM
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Usually the state.
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11/23/2012 3:53:56 PM
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If you go into any depth in political philosophy you'll come across Isiah Berlin's distinction between 'positive' and 'negative' liberty. Roughly, negative liberty is freedom from certain intrusions on people. Government forcibly taxing people, or jailing people, or torturing people are all violations of negative liberty. Positive liberty is freedom TO certain things. So, the freedom to live with adequate nourishment, to a minimum wage paying job or to basic welfare are all positive freedoms.

With negative liberty intrusions on people's lives limit liberty. With positive liberty lack of basic necessities limits liberty.
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11/23/2012 3:57:20 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:30:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Liberty is a very subjective word.

pretty much this. First liberty has to be defined, then one can see the limiting factors. Also, liberty for who? You could maximize your own liberty through decreasing the liberty for others.
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11/23/2012 4:20:09 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM, Yarely wrote:
I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty

The government is a great example. The government, however, is justified in limiting liberty. Absolute liberty and freedom without any limits would be insane.
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11/23/2012 4:27:48 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM, Yarely wrote:
I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty

Other people.
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11/23/2012 4:40:08 PM
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Capitalism limits your liberty to travel to New York: http://www.debate.org...

I said I'd throw that in there given the sort of responses everyone else gave.
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11/25/2012 3:59:40 PM
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Typically, it's our own minds.

If you don't feel free it's usually because you haven't declared your own freedom. If you are waiting for someone to give it to you, you will wait forever.
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11/25/2012 5:41:42 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM, Yarely wrote:
I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty

A lack of financial freedom and high taxes are the biggest assaults on liberty. If you can't feed your family and have to rely on govt to do it, what good are liberties?
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

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11/25/2012 5:47:31 PM
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At 11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM, Yarely wrote:
I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty

The fact that most people don't want to grant certain liberties.
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11/25/2012 6:43:21 PM
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Harmful actions committed by individuals that are sometimes but not always sanctioned by the state.
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11/27/2012 12:01:52 AM
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At 11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM, Yarely wrote:
I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty

What kind of liberty?

Individual liberty? The liberty of other individuals and institutions which constrain individual liberty (like the state).
State liberty? The liberty of its subjects (meaning the willingness of individuals to become subjects to a state).
Liberty as a concept? The preponderance of nouns which conflict with liberty, principally the impulse to security.

The important thing here is that liberty's limits must be examined in a particular context to determine the magnitude and degree of a particular constraint. But on a conceptual level, I think it is sufficient just to say all those things not in keeping with liberty (and I realize how annoying this answer is, lol).
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1/5/2013 12:36:17 AM
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liberty is simply the state of being happy in my opinion. i imagine that if you were trapped in a closet youd feel quite Unliberated, then imediately following your release a sense of liberty would appear. but true liberty can only be attained by death, and even with that in mind we can only speculate...
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1/5/2013 1:10:18 AM
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At 11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM, Yarely wrote:
I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty

One person's rights (liberty) end's when and where it infringes upon the rights of another. So, our rights are limited by the fact that we don't have the right to violate the rights of others and their rights are also limited in the same manner.
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1/5/2013 2:11:40 AM
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At 11/23/2012 3:06:41 PM, Yarely wrote:
I'd like to see your differing views in what actually limits liberty

the collective morality of whatever population's liberty is in question i'd say. every other argument is basically applying defined population limitations to a very open ended question. let me ask, who's liberties are you contemplating?
if he cared about good and evil he'd pick a side and not let the colors blend. :/
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1/5/2013 2:14:54 AM
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At 1/5/2013 12:36:17 AM, jake5493 wrote:
liberty is simply the state of being happy in my opinion. i imagine that if you were trapped in a closet youd feel quite Unliberated, then imediately following your release a sense of liberty would appear. but true liberty can only be attained by death, and even with that in mind we can only speculate...

id like to clarify, im not a goth, or a satanist, nor am i a pessimist. i simply like incorporating every aspect of a subject.
if he cared about good and evil he'd pick a side and not let the colors blend. :/