Total Posts:29|Showing Posts:1-29
Jump to topic:

Django Unchained...wtf

phantom
Posts: 6,774
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?
"Music is a zen-like ecstatic state where you become the new man of the future, the Nietzschean merger of Apollo and Dionysus." Ray Manzarek (The Doors)
Df0512
Posts: 966
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.
phantom
Posts: 6,774
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 8:51:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.

What, you think it's racist?
"Music is a zen-like ecstatic state where you become the new man of the future, the Nietzschean merger of Apollo and Dionysus." Ray Manzarek (The Doors)
drafterman
Posts: 18,870
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 8:57:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.

So was Huckleberry Finn.
tBoonePickens
Posts: 3,266
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 9:11:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.
So only historical reenactments are allowed to use the term? How about rap music?
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
Df0512
Posts: 966
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 9:15:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 8:51:56 AM, phantom wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.

What, you think it's racist?

AT the very least. It's exploitaion cinima. And if you read about the film. Some of the scenes in this movie are ridiculous. The lead female character is naked in damn near all of her scenes. Its blaxploitation of slavery.
Df0512
Posts: 966
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 9:17:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 9:11:51 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.
So only historical reenactments are allowed to use the term? How about rap music?

No one should use the term. Let alone the "er" version. And this movies uses it over 100 times.
Df0512
Posts: 966
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 9:19:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 8:57:25 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can't be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.

So was Huckleberry Finn.

Huckleberry finn, as a movie, is worlds away from Django Unchained. Not even in the same category
tBoonePickens
Posts: 3,266
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 9:22:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 9:17:20 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:11:51 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.
So only historical reenactments are allowed to use the term? How about rap music?

No one should use the term. Let alone the "er" version. And this movies uses it over 100 times.
Why should no one use the term?

As far as this movie goes and all movies in general, they PALE in comparison to the amount of times the N word is use in rap music and everyday talk between certain people.
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
Ren
Posts: 7,102
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 9:34:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 9:15:45 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:51:56 AM, phantom wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.

What, you think it's racist?

AT the very least. It's exploitaion cinima. And if you read about the film. Some of the scenes in this movie are ridiculous. The lead female character is naked in damn near all of her scenes. Its blaxploitation of slavery.

Quentin Tarantino's career is about 65% Blaxploitation. Haven't you ever seen Jackie Brown? Have you ever seen the famous scene in which Tarantino himself asked Jules (Sam L. Jackson) whether there's a sign above his garage that says "dead nigger storage"?

Girls get naked in movies all the time, and that part of the reason why people watch movies. Everyone lives a naked woman. Even the girls enjoy a good naked woman.

What you're seeing there, is a level of comfort with a rather volatile social enigma that I'm sure will make most people still caught up in that enigma uncomfortable.

All I can say is, in Tarantino's last movie, the lead character, one of the best-written characters of all time, someone you hate to love and love to hate, was a Nazi.

And, not a "nice" Nazi, some lukewarm assshole that sits on the fence because it's easy. No, he was the Nazi. Murdered an entire Jewish family in the first scene.

Did any Jewish people shed a tear because of that? Not that I know of... and, moreover, there was an entire team of badasses (whom were all Jews), although they all died...

Lol...

The point is that, I'm sure that this is going to be a riotous, slightly offensive, ultraviolent peep show of epic proportions -- I can't wait to see it. I lust for Tarantino movies like a hot date with a two-month clandestine crush with a girl who browses awesome sections of the record store.
Df0512
Posts: 966
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 9:42:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 9:22:23 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:17:20 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:11:51 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.
So only historical reenactments are allowed to use the term? How about rap music?

No one should use the term. Let alone the "er" version. And this movies uses it over 100 times.
Why should no one use the term?

As far as this movie goes and all movies in general, they PALE in comparison to the amount of times the N word is use in rap music and everyday talk between certain people.

What use does anyone have for that word. Its very meaning is degarding. I am not talking music I am talking about Django Unchained. But that doesn't matter. The way they use it is different than the way it is being used in this movie. There is a difference and those "certain people" are fully aware of it.
Df0512
Posts: 966
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 9:54:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 9:34:00 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:15:45 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:51:56 AM, phantom wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.

What, you think it's racist?

AT the very least. It's exploitaion cinima. And if you read about the film. Some of the scenes in this movie are ridiculous. The lead female character is naked in damn near all of her scenes. Its blaxploitation of slavery.

Quentin Tarantino's career is about 65% Blaxploitation. Haven't you ever seen Jackie Brown? Have you ever seen the famous scene in which Tarantino himself asked Jules (Sam L. Jackson) whether there's a sign above his garage that says "dead nigger storage"?

Girls get naked in movies all the time, and that part of the reason why people watch movies. Everyone lives a naked woman. Even the girls enjoy a good naked woman.

What you're seeing there, is a level of comfort with a rather volatile social enigma that I'm sure will make most people still caught up in that enigma uncomfortable.

All I can say is, in Tarantino's last movie, the lead character, one of the best-written characters of all time, someone you hate to love and love to hate, was a Nazi.

And, not a "nice" Nazi, some lukewarm assshole that sits on the fence because it's easy. No, he was the Nazi. Murdered an entire Jewish family in the first scene.

Did any Jewish people shed a tear because of that? Not that I know of... and, moreover, there was an entire team of badasses (whom were all Jews), although they all died...

Lol...

The point is that, I'm sure that this is going to be a riotous, slightly offensive, ultraviolent peep show of epic proportions -- I can't wait to see it. I lust for Tarantino movies like a hot date with a two-month clandestine crush with a girl who browses awesome sections of the record store.

It is a social enigma that we should be trying to seperate ourselves from not making movies about it. There are many key differences between inglorious bastards and this film. Mostly that black people aren't called niggers there called black people. Jews are actually called jews. If we as a country are trying to defeat racism, this movie will take us all a step back. So lust on I suppose. I guess this movie would be offensive to you.
wrichcirw
Posts: 11,196
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 10:04:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 9:42:01 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:22:23 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:17:20 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:11:51 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.
So only historical reenactments are allowed to use the term? How about rap music?

No one should use the term. Let alone the "er" version. And this movies uses it over 100 times.
Why should no one use the term?

As far as this movie goes and all movies in general, they PALE in comparison to the amount of times the N word is use in rap music and everyday talk between certain people.

What use does anyone have for that word. Its very meaning is degarding. I am not talking music I am talking about Django Unchained. But that doesn't matter. The way they use it is different than the way it is being used in this movie. There is a difference and those "certain people" are fully aware of it.

Some blacks consider it a sign of control, that they are able to use this word amongst each other without fear of reprisal. It's an issue of ownership, IMHO.

Haven't seen this movie...I started disliking Tarantino films after Kill Bill. Still love Pulp Fiction, though.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
tulle
Posts: 4,445
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 11:04:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
" I lust for Tarantino movies like a hot date with a two-month clandestine crush with a girl who browses awesome sections of the record store."

Wow, Ren lmao
yang.
Sidewalker
Posts: 3,713
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 1:28:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.

It's a period movie, set in the deep south two years before the civil war, fiction or not, it wouldn't be very realistic if such language wasn't used.
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
Sidewalker
Posts: 3,713
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 1:33:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 9:15:45 AM, Df0512 wrote:

The lead female character is naked in damn near all of her scenes.

Are you saying that like it's a bad thing?

Its blaxploitation of slavery.

How is any other movie made about slavery different? If you make a movie about slavery and you make a lot of money doing it, then are you exploiting slavery? Would you say Shindler's List was holocaust exploitation?

If the movie is set in any particular period you would expect the language and customs of the period to be used, you try to make it entertaining using the time period, is that exploitation?
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
Df0512
Posts: 966
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 1:46:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If the movie is set in any particular period you would expect the language and customs of the period to be used, you try to make it entertaining using the time period, is that exploitation?

Yes it is. For this word it is in my opinion. It isn't that they use the word that bothers me it's how much they use it. And for this reason. This isn't a "historic reenactment" of true events. Its a dark comedy blaxploitation. And those events would NEVER happen. My problem is the social implications this movie can have on our society. Youth especially. In fact I probably wouldn't even have a problem with the movie if I didn't have a son to raise.

And your not really comparing Shindler's List to this movie are you. Those movies don't even belong in the same thread.
tBoonePickens
Posts: 3,266
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 2:46:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 9:42:01 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:22:23 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:17:20 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 9:11:51 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:47:53 AM, Df0512 wrote:
At 12/21/2012 8:38:02 AM, phantom wrote:
Wrong with what? Leonardo Dicaprio playing a bad character?

No. Not that. The film in general. All of it. It can'e be just me. I mean there is a character in the movie called house nigger. And this movie isn't a historical reenactment. Its fiction.
So only historical reenactments are allowed to use the term? How about rap music?

No one should use the term. Let alone the "er" version. And this movies uses it over 100 times.
Why should no one use the term?

As far as this movie goes and all movies in general, they PALE in comparison to the amount of times the N word is use in rap music and everyday talk between certain people.

What use does anyone have for that word.
Dunno. Ask the millions upon millions of people that use it.

Its very meaning is degarding.
Yet people continue to use it and seems to me that most of the time, they use it to refer to themselves or others close to them!

I am not talking music I am talking about Django Unchained.
Oh, cherry picking your indignation; nice.

But that doesn't matter.
It does if you want to have some semblance of conviction.

The way they use it is different than the way it is being used in this movie.
Apparently, it's only different when it suites one's point but not when it doesn't. The smell of hypocrisy is filling the air...

There is a difference and those "certain people" are fully aware of it.
And whom might these "certain people" be?

*************************************
Tarantino is awesome! Two of my favorite movies of all time are his: Pulp Fiction and True Romance. Though he did not direct the latter, it has his fingerprints all over it!
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
Df0512
Posts: 966
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 3:00:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yet people continue to use it and seems to me that most of the time, they use it to refer to themselves or others close to them!

I know ho people use it my friend. I even said I slip up every now and again. But the dictionary does not define the word nigger as term of term of endearment or friendly greeting. It says "contemptible, inferior, ignorant". That is the meaning of the word. Any other use of it is slang.

Oh, cherry picking your indignation; nice.

Um no I never said it was ok for anybody to use it. I never said it was ok for black people to use it.

It does if you want to have some semblance of conviction.

The reason why it doesn't matter is because pit isn't being used in the same context. I am talking about when it is used as an insult. But I never said it was ok for anyone to us it.

Apparently, it's only different when it suites one's point but not when it doesn't. The smell of hypocrisy is filling the air...

I dont. Once again I never said it was ok for anyone to use it. So...yea

And whom might these "certain people" be?

Black people of course. I was commenting on someone elses use of the phrase "certain people". Read the comments and you will see it.
tBoonePickens
Posts: 3,266
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/21/2012 3:42:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 3:00:44 PM, Df0512 wrote:
Yet people continue to use it and seems to me that most of the time, they use it to refer to themselves or others close to them!
I know ho people use it my friend. I even said I slip up every now and again.
If you do know how it's used, then you'll know that if it's being used by people to refer to themselves or others close to them it's not being used to denigrate.

But the dictionary does not define the word nigger as term of term of endearment or friendly greeting. It says "contemptible, inferior, ignorant". That is the meaning of the word.
Nor do people use the dictionary term 90% of the time.

Any other use of it is slang.
Yeah, like the way it's used 90% of the time.

Oh, cherry picking your indignation; nice.
Um no I never said it was ok for anybody to use it. I never said it was ok for black people to use it.
Apparently, you are in the minority on that opinion.

It does if you want to have some semblance of conviction.
The reason why it doesn't matter is because pit isn't being used in the same context. I am talking about when it is used as an insult. But I never said it was ok for anyone to us it.
It's not the prevailing use of the word today. It is mostly used as slang.

Apparently, it's only different when it suites one's point but not when it doesn't. The smell of hypocrisy is filling the air...
I dont. Once again I never said it was ok for anyone to use it. So...yea
Yes, you have now made that abundantly clear. I agree that it SHOULD not be used to denigrate people.

And whom might these "certain people" be?
Black people of course. I was commenting on someone elses use of the phrase "certain people". Read the comments and you will see it.
I believe I was the first to use the phrase "certain people", and I didn't mean "black people" when I wrote it. There are plenty of white, Hispanic, Asian, fruit, vegetable, etc. that use the N word in its slang form.
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
socialpinko
Posts: 10,458
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/25/2012 4:59:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/21/2012 1:33:17 PM, Sidewalker wrote:

How is any other movie made about slavery different? If you make a movie about slavery and you make a lot of money doing it, then are you exploiting slavery? Would you say Shindler's List was holocaust exploitation?

If the movie is set in any particular period you would expect the language and customs of the period to be used, you try to make it entertaining using the time period, is that exploitation?

That.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
: :
: : DDO should discredit support of sexual violence at any time and in every way.
:
: I disagree.
RationalMadman
Posts: 354
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/25/2012 7:09:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
no one cares.
The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

We didn't fight our way to the top of the food chain to be f***ng vegetarians.
Heineken
Posts: 1,230
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/25/2012 7:16:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The film is clearly designed to "cross the line". More shock value than actual talent.
Vidi, vici, veni.
(I saw, I conquered, I came.)
Topiarey
Posts: 19
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/25/2012 7:18:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You kidding? Tarantino is a boss. I'm sure that this new movie is probably satirical.
"The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end."-Leon Trotsky
The_Fool_on_the_hill
Posts: 6,071
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/25/2012 8:02:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The Fool: The Key Word here is "MOVIE".
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
Sidewalker
Posts: 3,713
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/25/2012 9:28:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/25/2012 7:16:00 PM, Heineken wrote:
The film is clearly designed to "cross the line".

It's Quentin Tarentino, did you expect something different?

More shock value than actual talent.

His talent is making a lot of money in the movie business, and he's very good at it.
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater