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God (of the trinity) is an idiot.

Antichrist
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2/2/2013 11:33:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Just think about it.

God can do anything and God knows everything and is apparently suposed to be all good.

So he/she/it makes a planet of mortals capable of evil, grants them instincts prone to crave premarital sex and to murder others in the name of sex, lets them live as barbaric as their scientifically proposed ancestors, chimpanzees, lets the more intelligent members of the species believe in a lie of evolution meaning that only the dumb ones get to go to heaven and then expects somehow to create a heaven of pleasure and a hell of pain for non-physical souls (considering the only pleasure we know of is either a hormonal emotion physiclal produced by brain or a physical sensation on body).
Mutineer
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2/3/2013 6:25:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Precisely.
Want to make a good man to evil things? Give him religion.

Want to make an evil man do good things? Give him religion.

There's always a catch isn't there ;)
Sidewalker
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2/3/2013 6:31:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
And you would be one of the more intelligent members of the species, right?
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
Mutineer
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2/3/2013 8:45:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 6:31:47 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
And you would be one of the more intelligent members of the species, right?

At 2/3/2013 6:25:28 AM, Mutineer wrote:
Precisely.
Want to make a good man to evil things? Give him religion.

Want to make an evil man do good things? Give him religion.

There's always a catch isn't there ;)
The_Fool_on_the_hill
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2/3/2013 1:16:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 6:31:47 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
And you would be one of the more intelligent members of the species, right?
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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2/3/2013 7:54:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/2/2013 11:33:13 PM, Antichrist wrote:
Just think about it.

God can do anything and God knows everything and is apparently suposed to be all good.

So he/she/it makes a planet of mortals capable of evil

Evil is the opposite of God. If we weren't capable of evil, we would be robots for God, thus, God would have made us incapable of choosing anything other than Him, forcing us to choose him.

As opposed to what he did, out of love, enabling us to make a choice- choose God or not.
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The_Fool_on_the_hill
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2/3/2013 7:57:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 7:54:45 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/2/2013 11:33:13 PM, Antichrist wrote:
Just think about it.

God can do anything and God knows everything and is apparently suposed to be all good.

So he/she/it makes a planet of mortals capable of evil

Evil is the opposite of God. If we weren't capable of evil, we would be robots for God, thus, God would have made us incapable of choosing anything other than Him, forcing us to choose him.

As opposed to what he did, out of love, enabling us to make a choice- choose God or not.

The Fool: What is The Evil? LOL how did it get there?
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
The_Fool_on_the_hill
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2/3/2013 7:59:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 7:57:53 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:54:45 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/2/2013 11:33:13 PM, Antichrist wrote:
Just think about it.

God can do anything and God knows everything and is apparently suposed to be all good.

So he/she/it makes a planet of mortals capable of evil

Evil is the opposite of God. If we weren't capable of evil, we would be robots for God, thus, God would have made us incapable of choosing anything other than Him, forcing us to choose him.

As opposed to what he did, out of love, enabling us to make a choice- choose God or not.

The Fool: This doesn't make any sense.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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2/3/2013 9:17:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/2/2013 11:33:13 PM, Antichrist wrote:
Just think about it.

God can do anything and God knows everything and is apparently supposed to be all good.

So he/she/it makes a planet of mortals capable of evil, grants them instincts prone to crave premarital sex and to murder others in the name of sex, lets them live as barbaric as their scientifically proposed ancestors, chimpanzees, lets the more intelligent members of the species believe in a lie of evolution meaning that only the dumb ones get to go to heaven and then expects somehow to create a heaven of pleasure and a hell of pain for non-physical souls (considering the only pleasure we know of is either a hormonal emotion physical produced by brain or a physical sensation on body).

Before you damn me for this, I don't, in reality, support religion or Christianity, I just feel that your conclusions on how religion is terrible is just as hasty and biased as religion itself. The fact that we are capable of evil is not only explained in genesis, but the fact that we can commit evil is necessary for us to have free will. If humans always chose the good thing, free will wouldn't exist. I agree with you though on how our instincts contradicts scripture. I'm not sure what you mean by "living as barbaric as chimps" because by being inherently more intelligent then chimps we are less barbaric. Your statement on how only the stupid go to heaven is a very narcissistic and prejudiced thing to say, for obvious reasons, and pisses me off. And the soul is a very fuzzy and poorly understood topic, even to science. How do you know that the human consciousness absolutely requires the middle man of a body to create pain or pleasure, and how do you know you don't get a new body in heaven? blind hate mail against religion makes me ashamed to be a skeptic.
GarretKadeDupre
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2/3/2013 11:27:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 7:57:53 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:54:45 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/2/2013 11:33:13 PM, Antichrist wrote:
Just think about it.

God can do anything and God knows everything and is apparently suposed to be all good.

So he/she/it makes a planet of mortals capable of evil

Evil is the opposite of God. If we weren't capable of evil, we would be robots for God, thus, God would have made us incapable of choosing anything other than Him, forcing us to choose him.

As opposed to what he did, out of love, enabling us to make a choice- choose God or not.

The Fool: What is The Evil? LOL how did it get there?

Evil is the absence of God. I'm not sure what you mean by 'how did it get there?' How did evil get where?
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Noumena
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2/4/2013 5:03:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 7:54:45 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/2/2013 11:33:13 PM, Antichrist wrote:
Just think about it.

God can do anything and God knows everything and is apparently suposed to be all good.

So he/she/it makes a planet of mortals capable of evil

Evil is the opposite of God. If we weren't capable of evil, we would be robots for God, thus, God would have made us incapable of choosing anything other than Him, forcing us to choose him.

As opposed to what he did, out of love, enabling us to make a choice- choose God or not.

Except there seems to be an inconsistency in what we were made "free" to do and not to. We're "free" to commit sin but we're not "free" to levitate or run at super fast speeds. But no one cries foul about God making us robots. Either he makes us completely free or completely unfree, otherwise you're just being inconsistent in your pronouncements.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
Inquisitive
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2/4/2013 7:59:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
God must have been bored of always being smart :P
If I had to make a signature it wouldn't be this.

The above statement is false.

The first statement is true and the below (fourth) statement is true.

The second statement is true.

All of that was a lie.

Just kidding, none of it was a lie.

Just kidding.

Just kidding, I'm not kidding.

I'm only kidding, I'm just joking.

If this has begun to piss you off please refer to the first message for guidance.
BigSky
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2/4/2013 8:21:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This coming from someone with the username of antichrist is to be expected.
You misunderstand the point of religion. God loved us so much, he gave us those freedoms. He was not tyrannical, he is caring, he is compassionate. He gave us choices to make, choices to prove whether or not we love him like he loves us. That is the test, he created Heaven and Hell as a means of seperating those who dedicatied their lives to him, and those who make comments on a debating website about how he is an idiot. By the way antichrist, waiting for a reponse on our Batman debate. Thanks.
Inquisitive
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2/4/2013 8:25:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2013 8:21:04 PM, BigSky wrote:
This coming from someone with the username of antichrist is to be expected.
You misunderstand the point of religion. God loved us so much, he gave us those freedoms. He was not tyrannical, he is caring, he is compassionate. He gave us choices to make, choices to prove whether or not we love him like he loves us. That is the test, he created Heaven and Hell as a means of seperating those who dedicatied their lives to him, and those who make comments on a debating website about how he is an idiot. By the way antichrist, waiting for a reponse on our Batman debate. Thanks.

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If I had to make a signature it wouldn't be this.

The above statement is false.

The first statement is true and the below (fourth) statement is true.

The second statement is true.

All of that was a lie.

Just kidding, none of it was a lie.

Just kidding.

Just kidding, I'm not kidding.

I'm only kidding, I'm just joking.

If this has begun to piss you off please refer to the first message for guidance.
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2/4/2013 11:57:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/2/2013 11:33:13 PM, Antichrist wrote:
Just think about it.

God can do anything and God knows everything and is apparently suposed to be all good.

So he/she/it makes a planet of mortals capable of evil, grants them instincts prone to crave premarital sex and to murder others in the name of sex, lets them live as barbaric as their scientifically proposed ancestors, chimpanzees, lets the more intelligent members of the species believe in a lie of evolution meaning that only the dumb ones get to go to heaven and then expects somehow to create a heaven of pleasure and a hell of pain for non-physical souls (considering the only pleasure we know of is either a hormonal emotion physiclal produced by brain or a physical sensation on body).

Or you could be completely misunderstanding everything that you're trying to say.
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2/5/2013 1:51:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 11:27:22 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:57:53 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:54:45 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/2/2013 11:33:13 PM, Antichrist wrote:
Just think about it.

God can do anything and God knows everything and is apparently suposed to be all good.

So he/she/it makes a planet of mortals capable of evil

Evil is the opposite of God. If we weren't capable of evil, we would be robots for God, thus, God would have made us incapable of choosing anything other than Him, forcing us to choose him.

As opposed to what he did, out of love, enabling us to make a choice- choose God or not.

The Fool: What is The Evil? LOL how did it get there?

Evil is the absence of God. I'm not sure what you mean by 'how did it get there?' How did evil get where?

The Fool: This is what I mean.

Argument from Existence
P1 Whatever is IS(whatever it may be)
P2 But what is absolutely nothing Does Not exist. (aka Nothing @ all)
P3 Therefore is only existence.

Argument from Origin
P1 God either Exist or he does not exist.
P2 If God is God then he was the only thing in the beginning.
P3 Whatever was there in the beginning is the Source of Things
P4 Evil is something.
C2.
Thus it follows by NECESSITY: That either:

1. God is the Direct source of all evil,
Or
2. God Does not exist.
Q.E.D

Check MATE!

The Fool
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"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL