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Cyrano
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3/16/2013 6:59:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
There is nothing illogical about an infinite future, but since an infinite can never be reached, you can never say that it will have no definite end. You can only logically say that it could potentially have no end.

Short answer - no, everything that has a beginning does not have to have an end.
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3/16/2013 7:28:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 5:52:56 AM, critical_mind wrote:
can something have a beginning but no end or everything that have a beginning must have an end
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3/16/2013 7:17:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Pi is theoretically endless.
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3/16/2013 10:16:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 7:17:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
Pi is theoretically endless.

Pi is numerically endless. It has a well defined size, however. (~3.14...it's never going to be more than 3.15, so it is not endless, other than how it is represented numerically)
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3/17/2013 12:52:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Something can be described that way and make sense if you erect the necessary arbitrary standards for rationalizing it as such.

Outside of human perception, there is no way to explain the true nature of the phenomenon sensically. The universe is not held down by our minds.
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3/17/2013 12:58:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 10:16:00 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/16/2013 7:17:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
Pi is theoretically endless.

Pi is numerically endless. It has a well defined size, however. (~3.14...it's never going to be more than 3.15, so it is not endless, other than how it is represented numerically)

Pi has no end. Albeit that it does not get larger as you calculate further, it will always remain between 3.14 and 3.15. As you calculate it further, it just becomes more precise. But there is no end to its possible precision. It has no end, but it has a beginning, so it fits the question.

And I was not aware that there was a dichotomy between something being theoretical and numerical.
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3/17/2013 10:19:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/17/2013 12:58:31 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 10:16:00 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/16/2013 7:17:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
Pi is theoretically endless.

Pi is numerically endless. It has a well defined size, however. (~3.14...it's never going to be more than 3.15, so it is not endless, other than how it is represented numerically)

Pi has no end. Albeit that it does not get larger as you calculate further, it will always remain between 3.14 and 3.15. As you calculate it further, it just becomes more precise. But there is no end to its possible precision. It has no end, but it has a beginning, so it fits the question.

And I was not aware that there was a dichotomy between something being theoretical and numerical.

Pi very much has an end. Know how I know?

pi - pi = 0
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3/17/2013 10:29:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/17/2013 10:19:54 AM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/17/2013 12:58:31 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 10:16:00 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/16/2013 7:17:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
Pi is theoretically endless.

Pi is numerically endless. It has a well defined size, however. (~3.14...it's never going to be more than 3.15, so it is not endless, other than how it is represented numerically)

Pi has no end. Albeit that it does not get larger as you calculate further, it will always remain between 3.14 and 3.15. As you calculate it further, it just becomes more precise. But there is no end to its possible precision. It has no end, but it has a beginning, so it fits the question.

And I was not aware that there was a dichotomy between something being theoretical and numerical.

Pi very much has an end. Know how I know?

pi - pi = 0

infinity - infinity also = 0
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3/20/2013 9:31:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/17/2013 10:29:45 AM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 3/17/2013 10:19:54 AM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/17/2013 12:58:31 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 10:16:00 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/16/2013 7:17:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
Pi is theoretically endless.

Pi is numerically endless. It has a well defined size, however. (~3.14...it's never going to be more than 3.15, so it is not endless, other than how it is represented numerically)

Pi has no end. Albeit that it does not get larger as you calculate further, it will always remain between 3.14 and 3.15. As you calculate it further, it just becomes more precise. But there is no end to its possible precision. It has no end, but it has a beginning, so it fits the question.

And I was not aware that there was a dichotomy between something being theoretical and numerical.

Pi very much has an end. Know how I know?

pi - pi = 0

infinity - infinity also = 0

Heh. Funny seeing that after our debate :P
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