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Evidence: Socrates v Jesus.

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3/21/2013 6:56:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
My two favorite historical figures. Whenever you are lost in life, these two will have the answers to your struggle. It's just about whether or not you are willing to put in the time to hear them and the effort to follow them, because they are both BIG into selflessness and I really can't imagine them disagreeing on much. They both rejected material wealth and gave their lives because their faith was so strong that they didn't fear death.
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3/21/2013 8:05:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Jesus by knockout in round 4
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
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3/21/2013 10:09:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

That would be pretty impressive considering Socrates died 400 years before Jesus was born.

But then, I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've heard of Jesus hacking death.
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3/21/2013 10:28:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 10:09:37 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

That would be pretty impressive considering Socrates died 400 years before Jesus was born.

But then, I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've heard of Jesus hacking death.

That's what I'm saying, some Christians belief that the so called "angel of the Lord" was Christ... I once had a day dream that Socrates prepared the way for the greeks later Christian interaction and thought, then, ~300 years after he was sentenced to death by hemlock, he was born as Christ.... it's just a 'what if' that I thought was cool. Totally unreasonable to actually belief it though- call it a religio-conspiracy theory.. ;-)
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3/23/2013 8:59:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 10:28:59 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 3/21/2013 10:09:37 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

That would be pretty impressive considering Socrates died 400 years before Jesus was born.

But then, I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've heard of Jesus hacking death.

That's what I'm saying, some Christians belief that the so called "angel of the Lord" was Christ... I once had a day dream that Socrates prepared the way for the greeks later Christian interaction and thought, then, ~300 years after he was sentenced to death by hemlock, he was born as Christ.... it's just a 'what if' that I thought was cool. Totally unreasonable to actually belief it though- call it a religio-conspiracy theory.. ;-)

I'll recommend a book called "Socrates Meets Jesus" by Peter Kreeft, I think you'd enjoy it.
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
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3/23/2013 4:47:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

If that's true, then Jesus was probably a Mormon because Socrates argued that the soul existed before becoming embodied in flesh.
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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3/23/2013 4:55:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/23/2013 8:59:19 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 3/21/2013 10:28:59 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 3/21/2013 10:09:37 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

That would be pretty impressive considering Socrates died 400 years before Jesus was born.

But then, I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've heard of Jesus hacking death.

That's what I'm saying, some Christians belief that the so called "angel of the Lord" was Christ... I once had a day dream that Socrates prepared the way for the greeks later Christian interaction and thought, then, ~300 years after he was sentenced to death by hemlock, he was born as Christ.... it's just a 'what if' that I thought was cool. Totally unreasonable to actually belief it though- call it a religio-conspiracy theory.. ;-)

I'll recommend a book called "Socrates Meets Jesus" by Peter Kreeft, I think you'd enjoy it.

Peter Kreeft is a boss.
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3/23/2013 9:45:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/23/2013 4:47:37 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

If that's true, then Jesus was probably a Mormon because Socrates argued that the soul existed before becoming embodied in flesh.

Preexistence FTW!
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3/23/2013 9:52:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/23/2013 4:47:37 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

If that's true, then Jesus was probably a Mormon because Socrates argued that the soul existed before becoming embodied in flesh.

I thought that was Plato?
Apeiron
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3/23/2013 9:53:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/23/2013 9:45:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/23/2013 4:47:37 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

If that's true, then Jesus was probably a Mormon because Socrates argued that the soul existed before becoming embodied in flesh.

Preexistence FTW!

Interesting idea no doubt... I remember spending days over that idea.
Apeiron
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3/23/2013 9:54:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/23/2013 8:59:19 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 3/21/2013 10:28:59 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 3/21/2013 10:09:37 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

That would be pretty impressive considering Socrates died 400 years before Jesus was born.

But then, I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've heard of Jesus hacking death.

That's what I'm saying, some Christians belief that the so called "angel of the Lord" was Christ... I once had a day dream that Socrates prepared the way for the greeks later Christian interaction and thought, then, ~300 years after he was sentenced to death by hemlock, he was born as Christ.... it's just a 'what if' that I thought was cool. Totally unreasonable to actually belief it though- call it a religio-conspiracy theory.. ;-)

I'll recommend a book called "Socrates Meets Jesus" by Peter Kreeft, I think you'd enjoy it.

Hell yea! I never knew anyone else thought about this... tanks.
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3/23/2013 10:32:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/23/2013 9:52:18 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 3/23/2013 4:47:37 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

If that's true, then Jesus was probably a Mormon because Socrates argued that the soul existed before becoming embodied in flesh.

I thought that was Plato?

It's hard to know where Socrates ends and Plato begins. Everything we know about Plato and Socrates comes from Plato's dialogues, and it's hard to tell whether Plato is accurately portraying Socrates or whether he's just using Socrates to explain his own views. But since Plato was a student of Socrates, it's likely that they shared a lot of the same views. The argument about the soul comes from Phaedo, which was written by Plato, but portrays Socrates is arguing for the immortality of the soul.
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
Apeiron
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3/23/2013 10:43:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/23/2013 10:32:21 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 3/23/2013 9:52:18 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 3/23/2013 4:47:37 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

If that's true, then Jesus was probably a Mormon because Socrates argued that the soul existed before becoming embodied in flesh.

I thought that was Plato?

It's hard to know where Socrates ends and Plato begins. Everything we know about Plato and Socrates comes from Plato's dialogues, and it's hard to tell whether Plato is accurately portraying Socrates or whether he's just using Socrates to explain his own views. But since Plato was a student of Socrates, it's likely that they shared a lot of the same views. The argument about the soul comes from Phaedo, which was written by Plato, but portrays Socrates is arguing for the immortality of the soul.

Yup, I just know scholars are divided on the preexisting soul coming from anyone other than Plato since he was the one who argued for the Good / soul world due to the fact that Plato went against Socrates in that he believed we Can know something about the world of forms, we just need to remember it. Whereas Socrates played the one questioning the assumptions of a persons view until they threw their arms up and said, well I don't know!.. Socrates was famous for then saying, "neither do I."
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3/23/2013 11:29:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 10:28:59 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 3/21/2013 10:09:37 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

That would be pretty impressive considering Socrates died 400 years before Jesus was born.

But then, I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've heard of Jesus hacking death.

That's what I'm saying, some Christians belief that the so called "angel of the Lord" was Christ... I once had a day dream that Socrates prepared the way for the greeks later Christian interaction and thought, then, ~300 years after he was sentenced to death by hemlock, he was born as Christ.... it's just a 'what if' that I thought was cool. Totally unreasonable to actually belief it though- call it a religio-conspiracy theory.. ;-)

Only Socrates was a drunk and Jesus was more of a saint
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3/23/2013 11:40:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/23/2013 11:29:07 PM, MaqicDan wrote:
At 3/21/2013 10:28:59 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 3/21/2013 10:09:37 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 3/21/2013 9:58:39 PM, Apeiron wrote:
Perhaps the same person..

That would be pretty impressive considering Socrates died 400 years before Jesus was born.

But then, I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've heard of Jesus hacking death.

That's what I'm saying, some Christians belief that the so called "angel of the Lord" was Christ... I once had a day dream that Socrates prepared the way for the greeks later Christian interaction and thought, then, ~300 years after he was sentenced to death by hemlock, he was born as Christ.... it's just a 'what if' that I thought was cool. Totally unreasonable to actually belief it though- call it a religio-conspiracy theory.. ;-)

Only Socrates was a drunk and Jesus was more of a saint

They'd be endless friends, Christ has this funny way of turning water to wine.