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The Death of Snape

Mirza
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7/9/2013 9:43:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
In the final part of the HP Deathly H., Snape was conversing with Voldemort about the Elder Wand. At an early point, Snape realized that Voldemort would try to kill him in order to become the owner of the Elder Wand.

Nonetheless. In the duel with McGonagall, Snape mastered defense -- and reflected offensive spells at two Death Eaters to make them harmless. And flew away, something I believe only he and Voldemort are able to do. (I haven't read most of the books, but legit state this.)

Everything about Snape seems to indicate that he's one of the best wizards, at least in his time. He masters mind control, spell-crafting, discipline, defense -- and so on, and so forth. Yet he didn't fight Voldemort back. He could've disarmed him, flown away, or just put up to a fight.

My initial thought is that he might have sensed Harry and Co.'s presence near them, which could result in them being harmed by a powerful duel. Or Snape had no desire to make his spying obvious at any point. Now, anyone who read the material and has an explanation?
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7/10/2013 12:55:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think the bottom line is while Snape is a great wizard, Voldemort is better. It was Snape vs Voldemort AND Nagini.

Its been a while since i read the book so i cant really remember the details. The movie didnt seem to indicate that he sensed harry was around.

I think part of it was he was just done. He spent half his life being a double agent, and now both sides were finished with him. Death may have been a sweet release. I dont know.
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7/10/2013 1:09:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why is this in 'Philosophy'?

Also SPOILERS?!?!! Though the books have been out for a bit. What's the statute of limitations on spoilers?
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Mirza
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7/10/2013 2:02:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/10/2013 12:55:12 AM, tulle wrote:
I think the bottom line is while Snape is a great wizard, Voldemort is better. It was Snape vs Voldemort AND Nagini.
The snake is a legit argument. I don't buy the one with Voldemort being more powerful. Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald whilst he carried the Elder Wand -- and Grindel was next to Voldemort among the dark wizards.

Perhaps Snape was too shocked to react quickly - if not, there must be something else.

Its been a while since i read the book so i cant really remember the details. The movie didnt seem to indicate that he sensed harry was around.
Indeed.

I think part of it was he was just done. He spent half his life being a double agent, and now both sides were finished with him. Death may have been a sweet release. I dont know.
One can wonder. I dislike how duels are left out from the movies. From what people say, books have more. Duels are fascinating, especially because they are so personal. Snape and Voldemort having a match would certainly be top-tier fight.

Snape realized the Elder Wand didn't belong to Voldemort. Should've bombed him up immediately and escape.
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7/10/2013 2:05:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/10/2013 1:09:17 AM, Noumena wrote:
Why is this in 'Philosophy'?
Most likely place to get a reply in. It's something to think about nevertheless.

Also SPOILERS?!?!! Though the books have been out for a bit. What's the statute of limitations on spoilers?
You surpassed it, whatever it might be.
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7/10/2013 3:41:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Fact is, there was no further use for Snape in the story. He had to die to give his character some meaning by repaying his debt to Lily by dying for Harry's cause.
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7/10/2013 4:31:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/10/2013 3:41:27 AM, CanWeKnow wrote:
Fact is, there was no further use for Snape in the story. He had to die to give his character some meaning by repaying his debt to Lily by dying for Harry's cause.

Truth. But that's just not fun. We like to pretend characters are real people with real reasons for what they do.
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7/10/2013 8:00:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/10/2013 1:09:17 AM, Noumena wrote:
Why is this in 'Philosophy'?

Also SPOILERS?!?!! Though the books have been out for a bit. What's the statute of limitations on spoilers?

The rules of spoilers
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7/10/2013 8:46:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The simplest explanation is, Redemption Equals Death: http://tvtropes.org...

However, that only appeals to the meta, story-telling aspect (Doylist) and doesn't explain things from an in-universe perspective (Watsonian) http://tvtropes.org...

I think a true answer should appeal to both, and there is one:
There was no place for Snape in a post-Dumbledore, post-Voldemort universe.

From story-telling perspective, Rowlings would have had to make the world's reaction to Snape believable, which means him being treated as a villain. He was hated by both sides and would have spent the rest of his life on the run.

In-universe, Snape had to have known this. He knew his life was forfeit the second he allied with Dumbledore, doubly so once he had to kill Dumbledore. He knew he had no place in the world except to serve this purpose, much in the same way that Harry was being manipulated to serve a purpose.
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7/10/2013 9:41:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
In Prisoner of Azkaban, some third years managed to stun Snape. As such, I don't see it as that much of a stretch that Voldie would have no trouble dealing with Snape easily.

While Snape is shown to be proficient, even masterful, in many areas of magic, he is not on the level of Dumbledore or Voldemort. Those two are on a level so far above the rest, that it's an insult to compare them to anyone else.
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7/10/2013 11:42:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/10/2013 9:41:46 AM, muzebreak wrote:
In Prisoner of Azkaban, some third years managed to stun Snape. As such, I don't see it as that much of a stretch that Voldie would have no trouble dealing with Snape easily.

While Snape is shown to be proficient, even masterful, in many areas of magic, he is not on the level of Dumbledore or Voldemort. Those two are on a level so far above the rest, that it's an insult to compare them to anyone else.

I don't think he fought because of this, he knew he couldn't win so why bother?

Couple this with the fact that he felt done, worn out from the war and such that he just gave up. He was hopeless at that point.
Mirza
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7/10/2013 11:55:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/10/2013 9:41:46 AM, muzebreak wrote:
In Prisoner of Azkaban, some third years managed to stun Snape. As such, I don't see it as that much of a stretch that Voldie would have no trouble dealing with Snape easily.
Referring to the scene where Peter Pettigrew is revealed? Snape was entirely unprepared for an attack from Harry -- not to mention he easily blocked his attacks in the Half-Blood Prince.