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8/1/2013 9:59:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
As we all know, a B-Theory of time holds that the present is merely indexical insofar as it holds that all moments, past, present and future are all equally real. Because of this, on a B-Theory of time, the experience of being in the present is regarded as an illusion of human consciousness. Yet if a B-Theory of time is true, then we should be able to directly experience (that is, not simply remember) some other point in the continuum of our consciousness other than the one we experience now (say, 10 years in the past, or 10 years in the future). Yet we cannot do so. So B-Theory would be implied to be untrue.

Is this a good argument?
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8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/1/2013 9:59:26 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
As we all know, a B-Theory of time holds that the present is merely indexical insofar as it holds that all moments, past, present and future are all equally real. Because of this, on a B-Theory of time, the experience of being in the present is regarded as an illusion of human consciousness. Yet if a B-Theory of time is true, then we should be able to directly experience (that is, not simply remember) some other point in the continuum of our consciousness other than the one we experience now (say, 10 years in the past, or 10 years in the future). Yet we cannot do so. So B-Theory would be implied to be untrue.

Is this a good argument?

The problem with the argument seems to be inherent within the assumption that there is one "you" under B-Theory. Hopefully, I am not straw manning your position. If B-Theory is true, then "you" would be split up into multiple time slices on 4d or n+ 1d space-time block. What you consider your subjective present, would be represented by a certain slice, but it wouldn't be overlapped with other slices. If the slices are not overlapped, then it would be physically impossible for a slice that represents "you" at a certain time (which would correspond to your subjective present), to experience other slices (10 years in the past, or 10 years into the future). This means, that your main premise:

P: [1] If a B-Theory of time is true, then we should be able to directly experience (that is, not simply remember) some other point in the continuum of our consciousness other than the one we experience now (say, 10 years in the past, or 10 years in the future).

...Is false.

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.
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8/1/2013 11:12:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The concept of "you" being chopped up into different slices, and there being a different "you" for every moment on the block may be a hard pill to swallow. However, this video explains the concept very well. It features some of the top physicists in the game.
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8/1/2013 11:22:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/1/2013 11:12:32 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:


The concept of "you" being chopped up into different slices, and there being a different "you" for every moment on the block may be a hard pill to swallow. However, this video explains the concept very well. It features some of the top physicists in the game.

I'll be sure to give it a watch
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8/2/2013 11:24:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/1/2013 9:59:26 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
If B-Theory is true, then "you" would be split up into multiple time slices on 4d or n+ 1d space-time block.

Sounds painful :D
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8/2/2013 11:41:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Mind sucked.
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8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.
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8/2/2013 11:52:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/2/2013 11:24:46 AM, Magic8000 wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/1/2013 9:59:26 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
If B-Theory is true, then "you" would be split up into multiple time slices on 4d or n+ 1d space-time block.

Sounds painful :D

Haha
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8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.
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8/2/2013 11:54:41 AM
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At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

It explains*
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8/2/2013 12:30:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
So we have a constant space-time transverse speed? 3D space is up, down, left and right in this explanation, but not in reality, and time is forward and back. We get given a space-time "length" we can travel per "period". If we transverse a large space distance (near light speed), the "length will be quite a lot to the up, down, left or right, but not a large distance forwards or ?backwards?. I haven't watched the whole video yet.
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8/2/2013 12:48:59 PM
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The cool thing about B-Theory is it completely craps on the main theistic arguments. For example, the constant combinations are "fixed" on the block, so that would explain why we have these constants instead of any other. Every moment is locked in place, and unchanging. There never would have been a chance for the block to have different values than what it does. Bye bye fine-tuning argument. Also, the universe doesn't come into being under B-Theory, it just exists tenselessly eternally. Bye Bye Kalam. Also, a B-Theory universe is immutable. Bye Bye arguments from contingency, and arguments for a first mover (what actually "moves" if B-Theory is true? Nothing).
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8/2/2013 1:03:47 PM
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In reality, A-Theory has too many logical problems with it (McTaggart's Paradox, St. Augustine's dliemma). Also, it is extremely difficult to square off with science (Special Relativity, Quantum Mechanics...). Thus, B-Theory is hands down the best theory of time. It makes sense that it is the best theory of time, as that would explain why most metaphysicians of time are B-Theorists, and why the minority view (championed by people like Dean Zimmerman and William Lane Craig) adhere to A-Theory. Majority does not decide truth, but it does serve as a good icing on the cake on top of other arguments.
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8/2/2013 4:33:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/1/2013 9:59:26 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
As we all know, a B-Theory of time holds that the present is merely indexical insofar as it holds that all moments, past, present and future are all equally real. Because of this, on a B-Theory of time, the experience of being in the present is regarded as an illusion of human consciousness. Yet if a B-Theory of time is true, then we should be able to directly experience (that is, not simply remember) some other point in the continuum of our consciousness other than the one we experience now (say, 10 years in the past, or 10 years in the future). Yet we cannot do so. So B-Theory would be implied to be untrue.

Is this a good argument?

How do you know that we can't do that? Maybe we just don't have the necessary technology yet. Have you any way to perform an empirical test?
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8/2/2013 4:46:19 PM
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They're talking about "different nows". Supposedly, an alien an extreme distance away can cycle away from Earth and see 200 years or so into our past, then cycle towards us and see 200 years or so into our future. Seriously?
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8/2/2013 4:56:22 PM
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Now they're talking about "changing" the past? LOL

It's supposedly a fixed block though.
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8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM
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At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.
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8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM
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At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.
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8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM
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At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.
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8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM
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At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.
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8/3/2013 12:16:04 AM
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At 8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.

Can you put this in laymen's terms?
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8/5/2013 6:19:44 AM
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At 8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.

And this affects memory how?
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8/5/2013 2:22:41 PM
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At 8/5/2013 6:19:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.

And this affects memory how?

The initial conditions at The Big Bang + entropy is probably what gives us the arrow of time. This means, that if creatures are going to experience of temporal becoming, it is going to be in one direction. This means, that we are going to have memory of the past, but not the future. Would you like to debate the B-Theory of time? I believe that we have overwhelming philosophical and scientific support for it.
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8/5/2013 2:23:34 PM
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At 8/5/2013 6:19:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.

And this affects memory how?

(correction)

*This means, that if creatures are going to experience an illusion of temporal becoming
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8/5/2013 2:51:08 PM
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At 8/5/2013 2:22:41 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:19:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.

And this affects memory how?

The initial conditions at The Big Bang + entropy is probably what gives us the arrow of time. This means, that if creatures are going to experience of temporal becoming, it is going to be in one direction. This means, that we are going to have memory of the past, but not the future. Would you like to debate the B-Theory of time? I believe that we have overwhelming philosophical and scientific support for it.

They just happen to occur in one direction?
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8/5/2013 3:11:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 2:51:08 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 2:22:41 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:19:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.

And this affects memory how?

The initial conditions at The Big Bang + entropy is probably what gives us the arrow of time. This means, that if creatures are going to experience of temporal becoming, it is going to be in one direction. This means, that we are going to have memory of the past, but not the future. Would you like to debate the B-Theory of time? I believe that we have overwhelming philosophical and scientific support for it.

They just happen to occur in one direction?

Entropy means that things go from order to disorder. The problem raised in the video was, how come it doesn't work both ways? Well, since the initial conditions of The Big Bang were the most ordered the universe has ever been, then it makes sense that entropy doesn't go in the other direction. This is not a full explanation. However, it does provide some basis for why we only experience time in one direction. There are many papers in the field of metaphysics discussing the issue of the illusion of passage.
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8/6/2013 10:13:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 3:11:10 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 2:51:08 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 2:22:41 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:19:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.

And this affects memory how?

The initial conditions at The Big Bang + entropy is probably what gives us the arrow of time. This means, that if creatures are going to experience of temporal becoming, it is going to be in one direction. This means, that we are going to have memory of the past, but not the future. Would you like to debate the B-Theory of time? I believe that we have overwhelming philosophical and scientific support for it.

They just happen to occur in one direction?

Entropy means that things go from order to disorder. The problem raised in the video was, how come it doesn't work both ways? Well, since the initial conditions of The Big Bang were the most ordered the universe has ever been, then it makes sense that entropy doesn't go in the other direction. This is not a full explanation. However, it does provide some basis for why we only experience time in one direction. There are many papers in the field of metaphysics discussing the issue of the illusion of passage.

It makes sense now. If the theory is true, it makes you wonder why there's a timeless immutable 4D block with certain consistent "laws".
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8/6/2013 11:42:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 10:13:10 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 3:11:10 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 2:51:08 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 2:22:41 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:19:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.

And this affects memory how?

The initial conditions at The Big Bang + entropy is probably what gives us the arrow of time. This means, that if creatures are going to experience of temporal becoming, it is going to be in one direction. This means, that we are going to have memory of the past, but not the future. Would you like to debate the B-Theory of time? I believe that we have overwhelming philosophical and scientific support for it.

They just happen to occur in one direction?

Entropy means that things go from order to disorder. The problem raised in the video was, how come it doesn't work both ways? Well, since the initial conditions of The Big Bang were the most ordered the universe has ever been, then it makes sense that entropy doesn't go in the other direction. This is not a full explanation. However, it does provide some basis for why we only experience time in one direction. There are many papers in the field of metaphysics discussing the issue of the illusion of passage.

It makes sense now. If the theory is true, it makes you wonder why there's a timeless immutable 4D block with certain consistent "laws".

If God exists, it also makes you wonder why he is there as well.
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8/6/2013 1:28:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 11:42:08 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/6/2013 10:13:10 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 3:11:10 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 2:51:08 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 2:22:41 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:19:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:32:26 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:28:24 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 6:00:59 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 5:19:53 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:53:49 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:42:54 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/1/2013 10:56:47 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:

Also, if you are wondering why the illusion of temporal becoming only goes in one direction, esteemed physicist (and B-Theorist) Sean Carrol explained that entropy would be the most likely culprit. If you mix a block universe with the idea of entropy, then if there is going to be an illusion of temporal becoming, we would actually expect it to seem to flow in one direction like we do.

Explain.

Watch the video I provided. I explains the concept of B-Theory extremely well, and how entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time.

It doesn't explain how "entropy and the initial conditions at The Big Bang give us the apparent arrow of time". It just says that that could be the reason why time seems to have an arrow.

As I already said, it is only the most likely culprit. What better hypothesis is there for the apparent arrow of time? The initial conditions of the Big Bang and entropy are obviously the best choices.

How does it explain anything, it just shows that the past is different from the future.

I don't think you understand. It shows why there is an apparent arrow of time. Why does time appear to go in only one direction? The initial Big Bang conditions and entropy under a B-Theory universe explain it. The universe is going to be more disordered the more down the 4d or n + 1d block you go.

And this affects memory how?

The initial conditions at The Big Bang + entropy is probably what gives us the arrow of time. This means, that if creatures are going to experience of temporal becoming, it is going to be in one direction. This means, that we are going to have memory of the past, but not the future. Would you like to debate the B-Theory of time? I believe that we have overwhelming philosophical and scientific support for it.

They just happen to occur in one direction?

Entropy means that things go from order to disorder. The problem raised in the video was, how come it doesn't work both ways? Well, since the initial conditions of The Big Bang were the most ordered the universe has ever been, then it makes sense that entropy doesn't go in the other direction. This is not a full explanation. However, it does provide some basis for why we only experience time in one direction. There are many papers in the field of metaphysics discussing the issue of the illusion of passage.

It makes sense now. If the theory is true, it makes you wonder why there's a timeless immutable 4D block with certain consistent "laws".

If God exists, it also makes you wonder why he is there as well.

Well yeah. Most people who believe in God don't seem to wonder though. Lol
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