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Wallstreetatheist
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8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.
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R0b1Billion
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8/24/2013 7:54:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You need Jesus.
Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.
Noumena
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8/26/2013 11:13:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Baudrillard I guess?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
johnlubba
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8/26/2013 12:32:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

"I'm not crazy about reality, but it's still the only place to get a decent meal."

~ Groucho Marx
mattrodstrom
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8/26/2013 2:53:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
http://books.google.com...

This particular passage is (obviously) particularly relevant :)
but so is the whole book of zhuangzi...

However, this whole compilation is awesome, and has great translations of chinese works (though I think they limit how much you can read of it online)
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
Noumena
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1/16/2014 3:23:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/4/2013 5:42:43 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Thanks Noums and matt!

Are you a certified Baudrillardian now?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
sadolite
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1/16/2014 11:17:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

If you have questions about whether reality is subjective. try killing yourself, or maybe chopping your arm off with an ax or shooting a police officer in the face inside the police station.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
Pareidolic-Dreamer
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1/20/2014 2:55:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/16/2014 11:17:43 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

If you have questions about whether reality is subjective. try killing yourself, or maybe chopping your arm off with an ax or shooting a police officer in the face inside the police station.

I don't understand why you only present half the picture.
Its obvious that there is a part of reality that is objective, but it's also obvious that there's a part if reality that is subjective.
Science does not dispute this.
Pareidolic-Dreamer
I see wall people.

When I argue against someone's truths, I always feel like I am arguing just as strongly against my own.
sadolite
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1/20/2014 12:56:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 2:55:55 AM, Pareidolic-Dreamer wrote:
At 1/16/2014 11:17:43 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

If you have questions about whether reality is subjective. try killing yourself, or maybe chopping your arm off with an ax or shooting a police officer in the face inside the police station.

I don't understand why you only present half the picture.
Its obvious that there is a part of reality that is objective, but it's also obvious that there's a part if reality that is subjective.
Science does not dispute this.

Reality is reality thinking anything else is engaging in fantastical delusion.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
Pareidolic-Dreamer
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1/20/2014 1:40:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 12:56:55 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 1/20/2014 2:55:55 AM, Pareidolic-Dreamer wrote:
At 1/16/2014 11:17:43 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

If you have questions about whether reality is subjective. try killing yourself, or maybe chopping your arm off with an ax or shooting a police officer in the face inside the police station.

I don't understand why you only present half the picture.
Its obvious that there is a part of reality that is objective, but it's also obvious that there's a part if reality that is subjective.
Science does not dispute this.

Reality is reality thinking anything else is engaging in fantastical delusion.

Well duh! Reality is reality.
However, we don't know the full nature of reality, and there is a subjective side of it.
Pareidolic-Dreamer
I see wall people.

When I argue against someone's truths, I always feel like I am arguing just as strongly against my own.
sadolite
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1/20/2014 1:53:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 1:40:26 PM, Pareidolic-Dreamer wrote:
At 1/20/2014 12:56:55 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 1/20/2014 2:55:55 AM, Pareidolic-Dreamer wrote:
At 1/16/2014 11:17:43 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

If you have questions about whether reality is subjective. try killing yourself, or maybe chopping your arm off with an ax or shooting a police officer in the face inside the police station.

I don't understand why you only present half the picture.
Its obvious that there is a part of reality that is objective, but it's also obvious that there's a part if reality that is subjective.
Science does not dispute this.

Reality is reality thinking anything else is engaging in fantastical delusion.

Well duh! Reality is reality.
However, we don't know the full nature of reality, and there is a subjective side of it.

"You" don't know the full nature of reality! What's this "we" crap. I have no doubts or questions about it. There is nothing subjective about reality. What you see is what you get. DUH.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
Pareidolic-Dreamer
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1/20/2014 2:16:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 1:53:19 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 1/20/2014 1:40:26 PM, Pareidolic-Dreamer wrote:
At 1/20/2014 12:56:55 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 1/20/2014 2:55:55 AM, Pareidolic-Dreamer wrote:
At 1/16/2014 11:17:43 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

If you have questions about whether reality is subjective. try killing yourself, or maybe chopping your arm off with an ax or shooting a police officer in the face inside the police station.

I don't understand why you only present half the picture.
Its obvious that there is a part of reality that is objective, but it's also obvious that there's a part if reality that is subjective.
Science does not dispute this.

Reality is reality thinking anything else is engaging in fantastical delusion.

Well duh! Reality is reality.
However, we don't know the full nature of reality, and there is a subjective side of it.

"You" don't know the full nature of reality! What's this "we" crap. I have no doubts or questions about it. There is nothing subjective about reality. What you see is what you get. DUH.

Ok then, have it your way.
Pareidolic-Dreamer
I see wall people.

When I argue against someone's truths, I always feel like I am arguing just as strongly against my own.
sadolite
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1/20/2014 2:59:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 2:16:50 PM, Pareidolic-Dreamer wrote:
At 1/20/2014 1:53:19 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 1/20/2014 1:40:26 PM, Pareidolic-Dreamer wrote:
At 1/20/2014 12:56:55 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 1/20/2014 2:55:55 AM, Pareidolic-Dreamer wrote:
At 1/16/2014 11:17:43 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

If you have questions about whether reality is subjective. try killing yourself, or maybe chopping your arm off with an ax or shooting a police officer in the face inside the police station.

I don't understand why you only present half the picture.
Its obvious that there is a part of reality that is objective, but it's also obvious that there's a part if reality that is subjective.
Science does not dispute this.

Reality is reality thinking anything else is engaging in fantastical delusion.

Well duh! Reality is reality.
However, we don't know the full nature of reality, and there is a subjective side of it.

"You" don't know the full nature of reality! What's this "we" crap. I have no doubts or questions about it. There is nothing subjective about reality. What you see is what you get. DUH.

Ok then, have it your way.

Reality isn't about me or what I want.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
R0b1Billion
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1/20/2014 5:14:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
This is what you asked for:
Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.
Noumena
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1/20/2014 5:32:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I think the best argument against majoring in philosophy is that people with Sadolite's "middle-America-what-you-see-is-what-you-get" attitude DEFINITELY exist and WILL explain all the answers at you whenever they get the chance.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
sadolite
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1/20/2014 6:57:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 5:32:23 PM, Noumena wrote:
I think the best argument against majoring in philosophy is that people with Sadolite's "middle-America-what-you-see-is-what-you-get" attitude DEFINITELY exist and WILL explain all the answers at you whenever they get the chance.

You can contemplate an alternate reality, But in the end you will bow to this reality. That is reality.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
ADreamOfLiberty
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1/20/2014 6:59:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

Don't bother, they will just be someone else's point of view, not your own. :p
LOL, yeah, it's pretty amazing how they think they can "reason" with you. - Sidewalker, speaking of advocates for sexual deviancy.

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And that's what I did. Contact me at http://www.edeb8.com... by the same user name if you have anything you'd like to say.
Noumena
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1/20/2014 7:21:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 6:57:26 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 1/20/2014 5:32:23 PM, Noumena wrote:
I think the best argument against majoring in philosophy is that people with Sadolite's "middle-America-what-you-see-is-what-you-get" attitude DEFINITELY exist and WILL explain all the answers at you whenever they get the chance.

You can contemplate an alternate reality, But in the end you will bow to this reality. That is reality.

I'm not sure you understand the question.

Nvm I'm sure you don't. But das cool no worries.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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1/20/2014 7:21:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 6:59:42 PM, ADreamOfLiberty wrote:
At 8/24/2013 3:24:48 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective.

Don't bother, they will just be someone else's point of view, not your own. :p

Agreed. Don't read, kids.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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1/20/2014 8:14:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
"I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective."

Subjective: "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions."

In the context of this question, can reality be what I think it is rather than what it appears to be. Can I live a reality based on my own opinion of what reality is. Will my opinion of reality be accepted by another. Is my life a big lie. Do I only think I see what I see.

Ya, go ahead and ask those questions and ponder them till the cows come home. You still have to go to work tomorrow or to school or what ever.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
Noumena
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1/20/2014 8:40:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 8:14:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective."

Subjective: "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions."

In the context of this question, can reality be what I think it is rather than what it appears to be. Can I live a reality based on my own opinion of what reality is. Will my opinion of reality be accepted by another. Is my life a big lie. Do I only think I see what I see.

Ya, go ahead and ask those questions and ponder them till the cows come home. You still have to go to work tomorrow or to school or what ever.

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net...
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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1/20/2014 8:40:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Of course there is reality. This is necessarily true as long as there is not absolutely nothing. The question is the nature of that reality.
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1/20/2014 8:53:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 8:40:25 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Of course there is reality. This is necessarily true as long as there is not absolutely nothing. The question is the nature of that reality.

The OP never mentions the idea of reality not existing. It was asking if it was subjective. That is, whether or not our perception of reality is constituted through a lens (as opposed to a mirror).
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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1/20/2014 8:59:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 8:53:35 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 1/20/2014 8:40:25 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Of course there is reality. This is necessarily true as long as there is not absolutely nothing. The question is the nature of that reality.

The OP never mentions the idea of reality not existing. It was asking if it was subjective. That is, whether or not our perception of reality is constituted through a lens (as opposed to a mirror).

This all depends on what one specifically means by subjective.
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1/20/2014 9:00:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 8:59:10 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 1/20/2014 8:53:35 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 1/20/2014 8:40:25 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Of course there is reality. This is necessarily true as long as there is not absolutely nothing. The question is the nature of that reality.

The OP never mentions the idea of reality not existing. It was asking if it was subjective. That is, whether or not our perception of reality is constituted through a lens (as opposed to a mirror).

This all depends on what one specifically means by subjective.

Meh
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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1/21/2014 4:51:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
"This all depends on what one specifically means by subjective."

Huh? How does one "specifically define" ones own meaning of the word "subjective" without it being "subjective"?
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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1/21/2014 4:53:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/20/2014 8:40:13 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 1/20/2014 8:14:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective."

Subjective: "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions."

In the context of this question, can reality be what I think it is rather than what it appears to be. Can I live a reality based on my own opinion of what reality is. Will my opinion of reality be accepted by another. Is my life a big lie. Do I only think I see what I see.

Ya, go ahead and ask those questions and ponder them till the cows come home. You still have to go to work tomorrow or to school or what ever.

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net...

Great intellectual response, Classic redirect,change the subject to something inane.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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1/21/2014 5:01:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 4:53:54 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 1/20/2014 8:40:13 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 1/20/2014 8:14:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"I'd like to be linked to some cool articles/books on the topic of reality being subjective."

Subjective: "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions."

In the context of this question, can reality be what I think it is rather than what it appears to be. Can I live a reality based on my own opinion of what reality is. Will my opinion of reality be accepted by another. Is my life a big lie. Do I only think I see what I see.

Ya, go ahead and ask those questions and ponder them till the cows come home. You still have to go to work tomorrow or to school or what ever.

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net...

Great intellectual response, Classic redirect,change the subject to something inane.

I wasn't changing the subject. I actually have no desire to talk about Will Ferrel fake-vomiting. I was, on the contrary, colorfully depicting my response to the grossness that is yer supposed understanding of the subject (or rather what you think the subject is in the first place).
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.