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Could a supreme being think and reason?

rroberts
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10/29/2013 3:41:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If I understand the theologians, there existed a hard to conceive of state in which there was nothing yet created, no atoms, no electrons, no light, in fact not even space and time itself, just God. My question is, could this God think and reason? Could he have been self aware? There was nothing material to think about as it had not yet come into existence. There was no time so thoughts of a past, present, and future could not have existed. There was no space yet so there was no concept of here, or there, possible. This lone being, God had nothing to compare itself to, since it existed alone, thus self awareness in the sense of "I am unique" was impossible as there was no non-self around for him to distinguish himself from. Thoughts require things to think about. Since they did not exist he could not have thought about anything really. How could he think of creating a planet like earth, when the very concept of planet did not exist? Such a being would seem to be non-sentient, powerless, and unnecessary. Comments?
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10/29/2013 4:16:53 PM
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Thinking is a process by definition. Processes are events, and events require time. Thus, if there "was" no time, then God could not think.
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10/29/2013 5:24:27 PM
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themohawkninja
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10/31/2013 9:34:34 AM
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Omnipotent deities are thought to reside outside the universe, and therefore can do as they please (which ends up having odd issues with quantum entanglement and time, but that is from another thread I read).
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Fruitytree
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10/31/2013 9:51:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
If the Supreme being is all knowing, he doesn't need to think, thinking is for those who don't know, and reasoning too.
rroberts
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10/31/2013 8:35:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 9:51:44 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
If the Supreme being is all knowing, he doesn't need to think, thinking is for those who don't know, and reasoning too.

Then he isn't any more supreme than a rock? Or an encyclopedia?
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Rational_Thinker9119
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10/31/2013 10:27:15 PM
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At 10/31/2013 9:51:44 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
If the Supreme being is all knowing, he doesn't need to think, thinking is for those who don't know, and reasoning too.

So God is stupid and unreasonable....
Wren_cyborg
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11/1/2013 12:10:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 10:27:15 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 10/31/2013 9:51:44 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
If the Supreme being is all knowing, he doesn't need to think, thinking is for those who don't know, and reasoning too.

So God is stupid and unreasonable....

No, we are stupid for having to think and reason in order to get things done.
Fruitytree
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11/1/2013 4:36:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 10:27:15 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 10/31/2013 9:51:44 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
If the Supreme being is all knowing, he doesn't need to think, thinking is for those who don't know, and reasoning too.

So God is stupid and unreasonable....

That's your conclusion ?! and All knowing = stupid and unreasonable? I hope you're just kidding.

All knowing doesn't need to think, He already knows! He just wills and it is.

I almost expect that if I tell you God doesn't eat food you'd say then he's dying form starvation !!
Fruitytree
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11/1/2013 4:59:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/31/2013 8:35:40 PM, rroberts wrote:
At 10/31/2013 9:51:44 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
If the Supreme being is all knowing, he doesn't need to think, thinking is for those who don't know, and reasoning too.

Then he isn't any more supreme than a rock? Or an encyclopedia?

How smart !

Since when supremacy depends on thinking!