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Rejection of absolute truth self-refuting?

hiroki01
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1/23/2014 10:13:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
One criticism usually levied at postmodernism is that it's full of contradictions. Most famously, the notion that "there is no absolute truth" is itself an absolute truth, and thus self-refuting.

Is this as serious a flaw as most opponents of postmodernism make it out to be, or is it a linguistic sleight of hand?

I would love to hear your opinion on whether proponents have no choice but to bite the bullet, or there's some way of resolving this apparent contradiction.
Illegalcombatant
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1/23/2014 5:19:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/23/2014 10:13:54 AM, hiroki01 wrote:
One criticism usually levied at postmodernism is that it's full of contradictions. Most famously, the notion that "there is no absolute truth" is itself an absolute truth, and thus self-refuting.

Is this as serious a flaw as most opponents of postmodernism make it out to be, or is it a linguistic sleight of hand?

I would love to hear your opinion on whether proponents have no choice but to bite the bullet, or there's some way of resolving this apparent contradiction.

The problem of self reference perhaps ?

"This statement is false"

True or false ?
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Rational_Thinker9119
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1/23/2014 5:28:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/23/2014 10:13:54 AM, hiroki01 wrote:
One criticism usually levied at postmodernism is that it's full of contradictions. Most famously, the notion that "there is no absolute truth" is itself an absolute truth, and thus self-refuting.

Is this as serious a flaw as most opponents of postmodernism make it out to be, or is it a linguistic sleight of hand?

I would love to hear your opinion on whether proponents have no choice but to bite the bullet, or there's some way of resolving this apparent contradiction.

Well, one can still reasonably conclude something is true even if it is not absolutely 100% certainly true. So, if you reasonably conclude that nothing can be absolutely 100% certainly true, then that is not self-refuting, because you are not claiming that this statement is supposed to be 100% certainly true in the first place; just reasonably true.
Rational_Thinker9119
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1/23/2014 5:29:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/23/2014 10:13:54 AM, hiroki01 wrote:
One criticism usually levied at postmodernism is that it's full of contradictions. Most famously, the notion that "there is no absolute truth" is itself an absolute truth, and thus self-refuting.

Is this as serious a flaw as most opponents of postmodernism make it out to be, or is it a linguistic sleight of hand?

I would love to hear your opinion on whether proponents have no choice but to bite the bullet, or there's some way of resolving this apparent contradiction.

However, if you are saying that it is absolutely true that there are no absolute truths; that is self-refuting.
zmikecuber
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1/23/2014 8:19:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/23/2014 6:40:19 PM, zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcb wrote:
It is infinitely probable that nothing is absolutely true.

It is absolutely true that nothing is infinite.

;)

Holy sh*t... that's a long username. Lol.
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1/24/2014 9:17:30 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/23/2014 8:19:21 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 1/23/2014 6:40:19 PM, zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcb wrote:
It is infinitely probable that nothing is absolutely true.

It is absolutely true that nothing is infinite.

;)

Holy sh*t... that's a long username. Lol.

I respect you for having a 'z' in your name without an 'a'.
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1/24/2014 6:25:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/23/2014 6:40:19 PM, zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcb wrote:
It is infinitely probable that nothing is absolutely true.

It is absolutely true that nothing is infinite.

;)

Ha ha, I love that last one, even though it's wrong.

Something has already stopped nothing from being infinite. No?

Here, I'll say it in haiku:

First there was nothing.
And then, everything happened!
Now, nothing is not.
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When I argue against someone's truths, I always feel like I am arguing just as strongly against my own.